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Post by vjaska on Sept 14, 2024 21:20:59 GMT
Here's another very unpopular opinion - I think the new Enviro 400 is rather ugly looking even if it has a much better rear layout than the BYD model Agree, I think it’s ugly as well. It’s just looks over engineered and too much like a computer designed it. I still think the MCV bodied BZL is my favourite. I think MCV have done a great job on their body, better than other manufacturers have done. See, I'm not keen on the new MCV either - I saw some in the flesh and there's something off about it. TBH, styling wise I still prefer the BYD but in terms of actually riding one, the Electroliner still wins for me. Yet to ride a double decker MCV so ride wise, I can't give an opinion on. The Metrodecker is fine to ride on, styling is ok as well and the BYD is ok - if you don't sit in the rear seats downstairs that is. As for single deckers, the Metrocity is the one I prefer hands down - like how they look and I like the ride on them plus they actually sound ok for an electric vehicle so the sound enthusiast in me gives it a pass too. The BYD Enviro 200 is decent, the MCV single decker I also really like unlike the decker and I've yet to ride or see a GB Kite in the flesh thus far
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 15, 2024 10:29:09 GMT
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Post by B9TL205 on Sept 15, 2024 10:51:10 GMT
This is probably a wildly unpopular opinion but I’m starting to think the Metrodecker is one of the better double deck EV models now aesthetically. Some of these modern EVs are somehow more weirdly shaped than the Metrodecker and have so many inconveniences such as a lack of back window, the removal of the back middle seat and weird seat layouts whilst the Metrodecker has none of that. I’d say the Electroliner is better but the new facelift looks ugly and it lacks a back middle seat or window , the Enviro400 EV is nice but the downstairs seats are obviously terrible and they are so creaky which I also noticed on the R70s buses, worse than an EH. The new BYD11 thing and the BZLs on the 58 are both very odd looking too, again maybe an unpopular opinion. Unpopular opinion from me is that I don't mind the new Electroliner Vision Zero facelift I found it strange at seeing it first but it really grew on me soon after
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Post by vjaska on Sept 15, 2024 11:09:28 GMT
This is probably a wildly unpopular opinion but I’m starting to think the Metrodecker is one of the better double deck EV models now aesthetically. Some of these modern EVs are somehow more weirdly shaped than the Metrodecker and have so many inconveniences such as a lack of back window, the removal of the back middle seat and weird seat layouts whilst the Metrodecker has none of that. I’d say the Electroliner is better but the new facelift looks ugly and it lacks a back middle seat or window , the Enviro400 EV is nice but the downstairs seats are obviously terrible and they are so creaky which I also noticed on the R70s buses, worse than an EH. The new BYD11 thing and the BZLs on the 58 are both very odd looking too, again maybe an unpopular opinion. Unpopular opinion from me is that I don't mind the new Electroliner Vision Zero facelift I found it strange at seeing it first but it really grew on me soon after I much prefer it to the previous design which I don’t like one bit
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Post by M1104 on Sept 15, 2024 12:52:58 GMT
Unpopular opinion from me is that I don't mind the new Electroliner Vision Zero facelift I found it strange at seeing it first but it really grew on me soon after I much prefer it to the previous design which I don’t like one bit I wasn't keen on the previous either but got used to it in time, whereas his new look I liked straight from the off
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 15, 2024 13:19:07 GMT
With so many electric buses stockpiled and not introduced into service, I think with Metroline in particular, we may have fewer new buses enter service this year than for many years.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Sept 15, 2024 14:11:51 GMT
This is probably a wildly unpopular opinion but I’m starting to think the Metrodecker is one of the better double deck EV models now aesthetically. Some of these modern EVs are somehow more weirdly shaped than the Metrodecker and have so many inconveniences such as a lack of back window, the removal of the back middle seat and weird seat layouts whilst the Metrodecker has none of that. I’d say the Electroliner is better but the new facelift looks ugly and it lacks a back middle seat or window , the Enviro400 EV is nice but the downstairs seats are obviously terrible and they are so creaky which I also noticed on the R70s buses, worse than an EH. The new BYD11 thing and the BZLs on the 58 are both very odd looking too, again maybe an unpopular opinion. What's wrong with the removal of the back middle seat? Independent to all the safety concerns which led to it's removal, I've always found it a pain to get in or out if you're sat on the window seats in the back row and someone's grabbed the middle (especially so on the lower deck with the quad-seat layout).
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Post by abellion on Sept 15, 2024 14:48:59 GMT
This is probably a wildly unpopular opinion but I’m starting to think the Metrodecker is one of the better double deck EV models now aesthetically. Some of these modern EVs are somehow more weirdly shaped than the Metrodecker and have so many inconveniences such as a lack of back window, the removal of the back middle seat and weird seat layouts whilst the Metrodecker has none of that. I’d say the Electroliner is better but the new facelift looks ugly and it lacks a back middle seat or window , the Enviro400 EV is nice but the downstairs seats are obviously terrible and they are so creaky which I also noticed on the R70s buses, worse than an EH. The new BYD11 thing and the BZLs on the 58 are both very odd looking too, again maybe an unpopular opinion. What's wrong with the removal of the back middle seat? Independent to all the safety concerns which led to it's removal, I've always found it a pain to get in or out if you're sat on the window seats in the back row and someone's grabbed the middle (especially so on the lower deck with the quad-seat layout). Personally I like how it lets 3 people sit at the back without anyone facing each other, and that comes into play for people who film on buses although I doubt that filming on an electric bus is particularly interesting. That being said I agree with you that it can be a bit awkward and annoying to get out when it’s occupied.
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Post by southern66 on Sept 17, 2024 10:42:43 GMT
Has anyone heard anything regarding the 386 tender .
It was up for tender and I haven’t heard anything, thought it would have been announced by now .
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Post by lonmark on Sept 17, 2024 11:25:20 GMT
Has anyone heard anything regarding the 386 tender . It was up for tender and I haven’t heard anything, thought it would have been announced by now . I'm afraid you'll have to wait for TfL come to the public for the tender awards out when it is ready to do so.
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Post by Gary on Sept 17, 2024 21:36:33 GMT
The curtailment Brentford County Court appears to now be ‘Brentford, High Street’ on Countdown. The stop itself remains the same name.
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 18, 2024 8:36:49 GMT
Out of curiosity why is it on some services the on board information LCD screens provide more information and then some provide just the bus stops. Example 185 & 450 will display how many minutes until the next station. I’ve noticed the screens on the refurbished HVs & the ESs have very limited information. Presumably due to the programming? At one point the was all round consistency but now just becoming a big joke…
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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 18, 2024 8:37:32 GMT
The curtailment Brentford County Court appears to now be ‘Brentford, High Street’ on Countdown. The stop itself remains the same name. Destination blinds have remained the same too. At least on the 235 they have.
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Post by Paul on Sept 18, 2024 8:51:02 GMT
Casual observation:
Middle of the morning peak on Long Lane, my SL3 is carrying as near as makes no difference, a full standing load as is the 301 in front of me. 301s and SL3s in the opposite direction are just as full. The 301 is about five years old, the SL3 is a few months old, so where have all these people come from? How were they making the (presumably) Bexleyheath to Abbey Wood/Thamesmead before? The B11? The 229? Seems unlikely. Just seems to be a genuine case of ‘build it and they will come’
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Post by TB123 on Sept 18, 2024 9:09:17 GMT
Casual observation: Middle of the morning peak on Long Lane, my SL3 is carrying as near as makes no difference, a full standing load as is the 301 in front of me. 301s and SL3s in the opposite direction are just as full. The 301 is about five years old, the SL3 is a few months old, so where have all these people come from? How were they making the (presumably) Bexleyheath to Abbey Wood/Thamesmead before? The B11? The 229? Seems unlikely. Just seems to be a genuine case of ‘build it and they will come’ I suspect many of those, especially some heading to town may well have come from Southeastern services or even in some cases the 132/486-Jubilee combo. Bexleyheath has a 5tph train service which for the size of the town and catchment, is rather poor. 10bph buses towards Abbey Wood and then 12tph into town on the Elizabeth Line will no doubt be quicker and will have almost certainly shifted travel patterns in the area. I do suspect there will have been a degree of abstraction from the 229, 401 and B11 - the former especially prevalent to the SL3 as it is by all accounts an express 229 and 269, minus Erith. There has also been a lot of new development around Abbey Wood and more to come no doubt. But as you say, build it and they will come. It goes to show the benefit of introducing not just extra bus services, but building transport infrastructure projects in general. All the more reason to go ahead with the 'Metroisation' project proposed for Southeastern services amongst others (https://content.tfl.gov.uk/strategic-case-for-metroisation.pdf). It would be 'cheap' in comparison to the likes of Elizabeth Line, but really it would be better to boost existing rail infrastructure and associated services, reducing the need for as many bus-rail trips with a better, more direct rail service. For arguments sake, a better direct rail service from Bexleyheath and Barnehurst, of simple and high frequency with staffed stations and better rolling stock, means you could then reduce the number of buses between Bexleyheath and Abbey Wood and pump those same resources into genuine improvements where there isn't as many, or viable, alternatives.
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