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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2024 14:59:46 GMT
I'm just waiting for the electric car folks to be taxed just to see their outrage as they really thought they'd escape paying tax on their cars because they're helping the environment. 😂😂😂 what a bunch of jokers. The fact that they were warned for years this would happen and they didn't want to hear it. The famous saying rings true. Those that don't hear must FEEL!!! I'm not sure what TfL's justification for being so anti-car will be once cars are predominantly zero emission. There does need to be some consideration for motorists as London and the UK in general is a city where people rely on private transport a lot and TfL can't live in denial about it. There only needs to be consideration for people whose livelihood depends on a car, whose mobility needs depend on a car in London or the small proportion whose journey, for whatever reason, can't be currently made effectively by public transport. Anyone outside of that group doesn't need the consideration your referring to - in more rural parts of the UK, yes I agree but not in London outside of the above reasons I mentioned. |
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Post by PGAT on Nov 17, 2024 15:08:56 GMT
I'm just waiting for the electric car folks to be taxed just to see their outrage as they really thought they'd escape paying tax on their cars because they're helping the environment. 😂😂😂 what a bunch of jokers. The fact that they were warned for years this would happen and they didn't want to hear it. The famous saying rings true. Those that don't hear must FEEL!!! I'm not sure what TfL's justification for being so anti-car will be once cars are predominantly zero emission. There does need to be some consideration for motorists as London and the UK in general is a city where people rely on private transport a lot and TfL can't live in denial about it. It turns out cars have a lot more issues than just tailpipe emissions. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 17, 2024 15:19:54 GMT
I'm not sure what TfL's justification for being so anti-car will be once cars are predominantly zero emission. There does need to be some consideration for motorists as London and the UK in general is a city where people rely on private transport a lot and TfL can't live in denial about it. There only needs to be consideration for people whose livelihood depends on a car, whose mobility needs depend on a car in London or the small proportion whose journey, for whatever reason, can't be currently made effectively by public transport. Anyone outside of that group doesn't need the consideration your referring to - in more rural parts of the UK, yes I agree but not in London outside of the above reasons I mentioned. That is completely over simplifying the situation. People have friends and family all over the place ... in cities and rurally, so suggest the need for private transportation is far greater than you suggest. Without personal transportation I dread to think how much fly tipping would increase as most people use personal transportation to take their rubbish to the tip. I assume lots of fly tipping is people without personal transportation or paying cheap cowboy operators that fly tipping your goods. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 17, 2024 15:33:12 GMT
I'm not sure what TfL's justification for being so anti-car will be once cars are predominantly zero emission. There does need to be some consideration for motorists as London and the UK in general is a city where people rely on private transport a lot and TfL can't live in denial about it. There only needs to be consideration for people whose livelihood depends on a car, whose mobility needs depend on a car in London or the small proportion whose journey, for whatever reason, can't be currently made effectively by public transport. Anyone outside of that group doesn't need the consideration you're referring to - in more rural parts of the UK, yes I agree but not in London outside of the above reasons I mentioned. However people need to live their lives to their comfort, not to the comfort of TfL. If I'm going to go Canary Wharf for Ice Skating this winter I don't want to spend 30-40min traversing there on public transport when I can be there in the car in less than 10 minutes. Living in a city and contributing towards it the least you can expect is to be able to get where you want when you want. |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 17, 2024 15:39:39 GMT
I recently had a very weird N155 experience. The last bus of the night was 7 minutes late and the driver was incredibly slow for some reason, the first 155 which should have been ~10 minutes behind overtook us near Stockwell and got to Elephant much faster thanks to some red lights and more slow driving!! Could be the bus is fitted with ISA, that or the driver wanted a juicy overtime docket lol |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 17, 2024 15:57:24 GMT
I did warn people prior to the extension of the ULEZ to the outer boundary back in 2021 and some didn't think it would happen both on here and offline and when they announced it will happen people thought by voting for Susan Hall they thought it would be prevented. I had to laugh at that point as it was pure lip service. They're lucky I'm not in charged - they'd of marched on my office with pitchforks  😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 17, 2024 16:05:33 GMT
There only needs to be consideration for people whose livelihood depends on a car, whose mobility needs depend on a car in London or the small proportion whose journey, for whatever reason, can't be currently made effectively by public transport. Anyone outside of that group doesn't need the consideration your referring to - in more rural parts of the UK, yes I agree but not in London outside of the above reasons I mentioned. That is completely over simplifying the situation. People have friends and family all over the place ... in cities and rurally, so suggest the need for private transportation is far greater than you suggest. Without personal transportation I dread to think how much fly tipping would increase as most people use personal transportation to take their rubbish to the tip. I assume lots of fly tipping is people without personal transportation or paying cheap cowboy operators that fly tipping your goods. I agree and was flabbergasted when I see the post you replied too. I was going to reply but thought better of it. One thing that I do think needs looking is parking provisions especially in residential roads where there are permits. Yesterday I had so much trouble finding a pay by phone space in the Upton Park area. The whole of Newham like most places is permits only which is all very well and nice for residents but incredibly frustrating when you need to park on a back road and can’t get access to a visitor permit. |
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Post by Alexis on Nov 17, 2024 16:14:02 GMT
I'm just waiting for the electric car folks to be taxed just to see their outrage as they really thought they'd escape paying tax on their cars because they're helping the environment. 😂😂😂 what a bunch of jokers. The fact that they were warned for years this would happen and they didn't want to hear it. The famous saying rings true. Those that don't hear must FEEL!!! I'm not sure what TfL's justification for being so anti-car will be once cars are predominantly zero emission. There does need to be some consideration for motorists as London and the UK in general is a city where people rely on private transport a lot and TfL can't live in denial about it. Well it would be that cars are incredibly inefficient and a waste of space in a city. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 17, 2024 16:31:21 GMT
I'm not sure what TfL's justification for being so anti-car will be once cars are predominantly zero emission. There does need to be some consideration for motorists as London and the UK in general is a city where people rely on private transport a lot and TfL can't live in denial about it. Well it would be that cars are incredibly inefficient and a waste of space in a city. Space is only a waste when people are against it, I think the vast majority of people are happy with the space taken by cars if it means they can get around a lot more efficiently. |
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Post by PGAT on Nov 17, 2024 16:36:26 GMT
Well it would be that cars are incredibly inefficient and a waste of space in a city. Space is only a waste when people are against it, I think the vast majority of people are happy with the space taken by cars if it means they can get around a lot more efficiently. It doesn't get people around more efficiently from an urban design perspective. Car-centric design stretches out the distance between locations and makes it less safe to walk/cycle there, which adds to congestion. I'm sure the vast majority of people are "happy" with it, because that's all they have lived with. |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 17, 2024 16:38:51 GMT
Well it would be that cars are incredibly inefficient and a waste of space in a city. Space is only a waste when people are against it, I think the vast majority of people are happy with the space taken by cars if it means they can get around a lot more efficiently. There types someone who has never read about Ringways, or the M11 link road, or Newbury, or Twyford Down. All of which were in supposed “non-woke” times when the whole environmental campaign was very different to today, and in the case of the former, an era in which cars were an “in thing” |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 17, 2024 16:44:15 GMT
Space is only a waste when people are against it, I think the vast majority of people are happy with the space taken by cars if it means they can get around a lot more efficiently. It doesn't get people around more efficiently from an urban design perspective. Car-centric design stretches out the distance between locations and makes it less safe to walk/cycle there, which adds to congestion. I'm sure the vast majority of people are "happy" with it, because that's all they have lived with. However I can assure you that these people aren't going to be happy if you threaten to reduce their road space. People here are very happy moving to Dubai or Doha where there are very adequate provisions for private travel alongside public transport. There may be some traffic build up but traffic tends to dissipate very quickly as well due to the large amount of road space. |
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Post by Alexis on Nov 17, 2024 16:46:57 GMT
Well it would be that cars are incredibly inefficient and a waste of space in a city. Space is only a waste when people are against it, I think the vast majority of people are happy with the space taken by cars if it means they can get around a lot more efficiently. There are actually many people who are against how much space is currently dedicated to cars. It's simply inefficient compared to other modes of transport and creates a very unpleasant environment, which is why a lot of people do support LTNs and other anti-car measures. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 17, 2024 16:49:56 GMT
Space is only a waste when people are against it, I think the vast majority of people are happy with the space taken by cars if it means they can get around a lot more efficiently. There types someone who has never read about Ringways, or the M11 link road, or Newbury, or Twyford Down. All of which were in supposed “non-woke” times when the whole environmental campaign was very different to today, and in the case of the former, an era in which cars were an “in thing” If the Ringways had been built, travel across London would be so much quicker and congestion would not be so much of an issue today. Imagine travelling at 70mph across London! ... and no cyclist allowed ... heaven! |
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Post by PGAT on Nov 17, 2024 16:52:16 GMT
It doesn't get people around more efficiently from an urban design perspective. Car-centric design stretches out the distance between locations and makes it less safe to walk/cycle there, which adds to congestion. I'm sure the vast majority of people are "happy" with it, because that's all they have lived with. However I can assure you that these people aren't going to be happy if you threaten to reduce their road space. People here are very happy moving to Dubai or Doha where there are very adequate provisions for private travel alongside public transport. There may be some traffic build up but traffic tends to dissipate very quickly as well due to the large amount of road space. Of course some people will be unhappy, but is there any evidence that what benefits them personally is for the greater good of society? Don't even bring up the gulf-states as a good example to follow. They're essentially dystopian simulations of city skylines where the governments have infinite money |
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