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Post by matthieu1221 on Nov 17, 2024 16:55:58 GMT
Though of course with ULEZ one could argue that we did get a vote on it -- the 2024 Mayoral Election had plenty of candidates pledging to reverse it. Of course one could argue that Susan Hall wasn't a brilliant candidate and was also held back by being a Tory in the context the election was held (though she probably lost less votes to Reform than we saw in the GE for example) so people either didn't think ULEZ was that important in casting their vote, or they supported it, or by virtue of not showing up to vote are fine with the (now-ULEZ inclusive) status quo. At some point we also need to stop considering people 'empty hypocrites' and maybe just accept the fact that one can complain about something but not deem it their red line. I'm sure there's a lot of things you don't like but wouldn't deem it worth taking a day off going on strike for/protesting in Parliament Square, etc... (and for all the talk of France, mobilisation in protests/strikes is nothing like it was 20+ years ago... which as a national I do find quite sad indeed) The trouble is people in the UK are selfish and have that if it does not affect me i do not care. The same for those who had vehicles that met the spec, could not care for others. These same people would be moaning if the goalposts had been moved and included them. We also had this when it was moved to North & South Circular roads, others further out did not care until Khan started to move it to the entire Greater London. As for the Elections, if Hall did not say reversal of ULEZ she would have lost even worst imo as many of the people who voted for her only did it on that basis. A lot of people did not have a car or one that did not meet that criteria to be charged so it was hardly going to be the thing to make someone else win. I think you'll find that people being 'selfish' if you use your definition is hardly a UK-specific phenomenon. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Nov 17, 2024 17:15:21 GMT
There types someone who has never read about Ringways, or the M11 link road, or Newbury, or Twyford Down. All of which were in supposed “non-woke” times when the whole environmental campaign was very different to today, and in the case of the former, an era in which cars were an “in thing” If the Ringways had been built, travel across London would be so much quicker and congestion would not be so much of an issue today. Imagine travelling at 70mph across London! ... and no cyclist allowed ... heaven! Except that everyone else would have the same idea and you wouldn't be going at 70mph across London!
I know some of us here love to praise cities with loads of highways, but -- besides the impact on urban environments that it has -- it simply isn't always that great. Take this journey between the centre of Kuala Lumpur and suburb I took as a trip on the (express -- limited stop -- pretty much highway all the way) bus, you bring that up right now on Google Maps when it's the middle of the night in KL it takes just short of 20 minutes. Absolutely wonderful you might say. Well, I quickly regretted not hoping on the LRT that day as it ended up taking 2 hours and a half for that same journey during evening peak (even in the opposite direction into town past morning peak well into the afternoon it can easily take over an hour and a half).
So yes, highways are wonderful, but only when you are the only person to have a car and not everyone else does (and decides to drive theirs).
The solution isn't building more highways (which they are doing anyway) but providing alternatives. in KL heavy rail is great for leapfrogging traffic (where it exists -- I should've not tried to experiment with the bus that day) but the issue remains first and last mile connections -- getting someone to pick you up or the equivalent of an Uber from a station is the norm there. In London, thankfully we have a better 'feeder bus' service (though fare integration -- a multimodal hopper -- needs to be worked on at some point), the sticker is anything non radial. I'm sure the Ringsway would have actually been brilliant as circular rail lines around London considering the success the Overground gets and the need (as rather minimally catered to) for Superloop or some form of faster bus service. Just a shame it was conceived as massive highways instead.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2024 18:47:16 GMT
There types someone who has never read about Ringways, or the M11 link road, or Newbury, or Twyford Down. All of which were in supposed “non-woke” times when the whole environmental campaign was very different to today, and in the case of the former, an era in which cars were an “in thing” If the Ringways had been built, travel across London would be so much quicker and congestion would not be so much of an issue today. Imagine travelling at 70mph across London! ... and no cyclist allowed ... heaven! How much of the Ringway scheme would of been built in Croydon out of interest? |
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Post by PGAT on Nov 17, 2024 18:56:49 GMT
If the Ringways had been built, travel across London would be so much quicker and congestion would not be so much of an issue today. Imagine travelling at 70mph across London! ... and no cyclist allowed ... heaven! How much of the Ringway scheme would of been built in Croydon out of interest? I think one of the ringways would have skirted around Selhurst Park Stadium/Thornton Heath but don’t quote me on that |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2024 18:59:47 GMT
How much of the Ringway scheme would of been built in Croydon out of interest? I think one of the ringways would have skirted around Selhurst Park Stadium/Thornton Heath but don’t quote me on that Thanks - it would be interesting to know if our Croydon friend who thinks ringways are lovely and who disagreed with me previously when I said I'm happy the one that would destroyed a good portion of Brixton's vibrant town centre, would of been more than happy if they shoved one through Croydon or his own part of Croydon, destroying the area in the process. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 17, 2024 19:00:43 GMT
If the Ringways had been built, travel across London would be so much quicker and congestion would not be so much of an issue today. Imagine travelling at 70mph across London! ... and no cyclist allowed ... heaven! How much of the Ringway scheme would of been built in Croydon out of interest? Enough, the Croydon Flyover was meant to be part of Ringway 4, together with the dual carriageway outside Trinity School in Shirley were the only parts that were built, and South Norwood was to be part of Ringway 3. Think Croydon is lucky to get the flyover, can not imagine how chaotic things would be without it. |
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