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Post by sid on Feb 4, 2018 7:29:26 GMT
Yes I have seen the pictures, but you clearly don't understand the process. quote author=" sid" source="/post/416076/thread" timestamp="1517682404"] Stops are not just closed for no reason, and in some cases charges are made for bus stop closures, even if works fail to take place. NTCs will reopen stops as part of their checks if no works are taking place or drivers call in to advise of this. If you look at the photos I've included both stops are closed for no reason, ie there is no reason why buses cannot stop there. [/quote] Well I would suggest that the process needs to be reviewed as a matter of urgency. No doubt another factor in the decline in bus usage!
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Post by M1104 on Feb 4, 2018 13:49:03 GMT
When buses come out of service due to surplus requirements some as we know head off to be scrapped. This makes me wonder how safe those buses were during their eleventh hour of service if they're already destined for that fate. I do wonder however if buses tend to get scrapped partly because of no profit/value in them to be sold on, bearing in mind some do end up on eBay for anyone to acquire.
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Post by snowman on Feb 4, 2018 14:00:02 GMT
When buses come out of service due to surplus requirements some as we know head off to be scrapped. This makes me wonder how safe those buses were during their eleventh hour of service if they're already destined for that fate. I do wonder however if buses tend to get scrapped partly because of no profit/value in them to be sold on, bearing in mind some do end up on eBay for anyone to acquire. Very few buses that are scrapped, end up 100% as waste and recycling. Valuable parts are often removed, many engines get shoved in containers and moved to Africa where they end up in locally fabricated vehicles. One particular scrapyard in Barnsley has been doing this for years. Early withdrawals (accident damage etc) are often stripped for parts for remainder of fleet.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 4, 2018 14:18:33 GMT
When buses come out of service due to surplus requirements some as we know head off to be scrapped. This makes me wonder how safe those buses were during their eleventh hour of service if they're already destined for that fate. I do wonder however if buses tend to get scrapped partly because of no profit/value in them to be sold on, bearing in mind some do end up on eBay for anyone to acquire. Very few buses that are scrapped, end up 100% as waste and recycling. Valuable parts are often removed, many engines get shoved in containers and moved to Africa where they end up in locally fabricated vehicles. One particular scrapyard in Barnsley has been doing this for years. Early withdrawals (accident damage etc) are often stripped for parts for remainder of fleet. For buses that are in service right now which are destined to be scrapped, why would they still be in service in the knowledge that they won't be used again by a future owner? Or in other words are buses that are destined to be scrapped still salvageable but just not financially viable in doing so?
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Post by sid on Feb 4, 2018 14:23:23 GMT
Very few buses that are scrapped, end up 100% as waste and recycling. Valuable parts are often removed, many engines get shoved in containers and moved to Africa where they end up in locally fabricated vehicles. One particular scrapyard in Barnsley has been doing this for years. Early withdrawals (accident damage etc) are often stripped for parts for remainder of fleet. For buses that are in service right now which are destined to be scrapped, why would they still be in service in the knowledge that they won't be used again by a future owner? Or in other words are buses that are destined to be scrapped still salvageable but just not financially viable in doing so? I would think it's the latter, anything is salvageable if somebody is willing to throw enough money at it but with the market seemingly awash with double deckers the scrap yard maybe the only viable option.
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Post by snowman on Feb 4, 2018 14:37:14 GMT
Very few buses that are scrapped, end up 100% as waste and recycling. Valuable parts are often removed, many engines get shoved in containers and moved to Africa where they end up in locally fabricated vehicles. One particular scrapyard in Barnsley has been doing this for years. Early withdrawals (accident damage etc) are often stripped for parts for remainder of fleet. For buses that are in service right now which are destined to be scrapped, why would they still be in service in the knowledge that they won't be used again by a future owner? Or in other words are buses that are destined to be scrapped still salvageable but just not financially viable in doing so? It's also what the new user wants, the kind of Operator that buys a 12 year old bus isn't going for premium traffic. That means basic bus on shoestring budget. London spec buses don't offer that (power ramps, powerblinds, a/c, second door mechanisms and interlocks, emissions filters etc cost money to maintain, so either have to remove or maintain) and if there is an alternative for sale from say Dublin or Lothian they will get those instead. Obviously no second-hand dealer will buy a bus they can't resell at a profit so offered price is low. On your final point, need to keep them operational until withdrawal (although a big failure few weeks before planned date is likely to be instant death as not worth spending money on)
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Post by M1104 on Feb 4, 2018 14:57:53 GMT
Obviously no second-hand dealer will buy a bus they can't resell at a profit so offered price is low. I guess this is where some salvageable buses then end up on eBay for possible interest by enthusiast, church, film crew, etc would be more interested in a more budget- friendly purchase
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Post by sid on Feb 4, 2018 17:44:07 GMT
Obviously no second-hand dealer will buy a bus they can't resell at a profit so offered price is low. I guess this is where some salvageable buses then end up on eBay for possible interest by enthusiast, church, film crew, etc would be more interested in a more budget- friendly purchase Often it's viable to buy a high mileage bus for those sort of purposes whereas other operators wouldn't want them as they would be too expensive to maintain for day to day service.
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Post by beaver14uk on Feb 4, 2018 18:17:24 GMT
It's nothing to do with the process, the facts are sometimes works finish earlier, maybe are deferred without TfL being advised. Maybe the NTC was just not in a position to open due to workload. We are have one NTC covering one or two boroughs and I know we have been really short because of sickness. quote author=" sid" source="/post/416194/thread" timestamp="1517729366"] Yes I have seen the pictures, but you clearly don't understand the process. quote author=" sid" source="/post/416076/thread" timestamp="1517682404"]If you look at the photos I've included both stops are closed for no reason, ie there is no reason why buses cannot stop there. [/quote] Well I would suggest that the process needs to be reviewed as a matter of urgency. No doubt another factor in the decline in bus usage![/quote]
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Post by sid on Feb 4, 2018 18:20:56 GMT
It's nothing to do with the process, the facts are sometimes works finish earlier, maybe are deferred without TfL being advised. Maybe the NTC was just not in a position to open due to workload. We are have one NTC covering one or two boroughs and I know we have been really short because of sickness. quote author=" sid" source="/post/416194/thread" timestamp="1517729366"] Yes I have seen the pictures, but you clearly don't understand the process. quote author=" sid" source="/post/416076/thread" timestamp="1517682404"]If you look at the photos I've included both stops are closed for no reason, ie there is no reason why buses cannot stop there. Well I would suggest that the process needs to be reviewed as a matter of urgency. No doubt another factor in the decline in bus usage![/quote] [/quote] Well something clearly needs to be done about it and what about dolly stops?
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Post by beaver14uk on Feb 4, 2018 18:43:20 GMT
Dolly stops are put out when safe to do so. uote author=" sid" source="/post/416315/thread" timestamp="1517768456"] It's nothing to do with the process, the facts are sometimes works finish earlier, maybe are deferred without TfL being advised. Maybe the NTC was just not in a position to open due to workload. We are have one NTC covering one or two boroughs and I know we have been really short because of sickness. quote author=" sid" source="/post/416194/thread" timestamp="1517729366"] Well I would suggest that the process needs to be reviewed as a matter of urgency. No doubt another factor in the decline in bus usage![/quote] [/quote] Well something clearly needs to be done about it and what about dolly stops?[/quote]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 18:47:12 GMT
It's nothing to do with the process, the facts are sometimes works finish earlier, maybe are deferred without TfL being advised. Maybe the NTC was just not in a position to open due to workload. We are have one NTC covering one or two boroughs and I know we have been really short because of sickness. Yes I have seen the pictures, but you clearly don't understand the process. If you look at the photos I've included both stops are closed for no reason, ie there is no reason why buses cannot stop there. Well I would suggest that the process needs to be reviewed as a matter of urgency. No doubt another factor in the decline in bus usage! The point is not about the process of closing stops. The point is that checks should be made to ensure work is being carried out. The Vanbrugh Hill stops were closed for a whole week for 'Bus Stop Shelter Works'. I use that stop every day and can attest nothing was ever done!
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Post by beaver14uk on Feb 4, 2018 19:37:32 GMT
Checks are carried out and I would be surprised if Go Ahead didn't raise this issue bearing in mind most operators speak to local contacts every day on issues. quote author="@mggarage" source="/post/416317/thread" timestamp="1517770032"] It's nothing to do with the process, the facts are sometimes works finish earlier, maybe are deferred without TfL being advised. Maybe the NTC was just not in a position to open due to workload. We are have one NTC covering one or two boroughs and I know we have been really short because of sickness. The point is not about the process of closing stops. The point is that checks should be made to ensure work is being carried out. The Vanbrugh Hill stops were closed for a whole week for 'Bus Stop Shelter Works'. I use that stop every day and can attest nothing was ever done![/quote]
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Post by sid on Feb 4, 2018 21:22:47 GMT
Dolly stops are put out when safe to do so. uote author=" sid" source="/post/416315/thread" timestamp="1517768456"] It's nothing to do with the process, the facts are sometimes works finish earlier, maybe are deferred without TfL being advised. Maybe the NTC was just not in a position to open due to workload. We are have one NTC covering one or two boroughs and I know we have been really short because of sickness. quote author=" sid" source="/post/416194/thread" timestamp="1517729366"] Well I would suggest that the process needs to be reviewed as a matter of urgency. No doubt another factor in the decline in bus usage! [/quote] Well something clearly needs to be done about it and what about dolly stops?[/quote] [/quote] I can't remember the last time I saw a dolly stop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 21:24:42 GMT
Dolly stops are put out when safe to do so. uote author=" sid" source="/post/416315/thread" timestamp="1517768456"]Well I would suggest that the process needs to be reviewed as a matter of urgency. No doubt another factor in the decline in bus usage! Well something clearly needs to be done about it and what about dolly stops?[/quote] [/quote] I can't remember the last time I saw a dolly stop.[/quote] The last place I saw one is on the entrance to MG! Don't know what it's doing there!
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