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Post by DT 11 on Feb 4, 2018 21:38:13 GMT
Yes I have seen the pictures, but you clearly don't understand the process. If you look at the photos I've included both stops are closed for no reason, ie there is no reason why buses cannot stop there. Well I would suggest that the process needs to be reviewed as a matter of urgency. No doubt another factor in the decline in bus usage! That is no reason for bus decline. Stops are closed for a reason for the safety of people and drivers in many cases if buses are diverted then stops on a particular section will be closed. Example in Thamesmead both Stops Newacres Library have been closed for months because of demolition and regeneration works and railings across the entire area. Do you you think it is safe to have fully operational stops in such a location. Whenever temporary traffic lights are placed near a stop, it is closed or a dolly stop placed elsewhere if SAFE otherwise buses will block the traffic flow. I can tell you the last time I saw a dolly stop, this week on Faraday Avenue In Sidcup when temporary lights were in between two stops. It’s not just the case of putting a dolly stop somewhere, there are safe and unsafe places to stop any vehicle.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 4, 2018 21:44:00 GMT
It's nothing to do with the process, the facts are sometimes works finish earlier, maybe are deferred without TfL being advised. Maybe the NTC was just not in a position to open due to workload. We are have one NTC covering one or two boroughs and I know we have been really short because of sickness. The point is not about the process of closing stops. The point is that checks should be made to ensure work is being carried out. The Vanbrugh Hill stops were closed for a whole week for 'Bus Stop Shelter Works'. I use that stop every day and can attest nothing was ever done! NTCs are not the all seeing eye of London, so has to be reported first, cannot just say it should be checked, they do plenty of other things as well.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 4, 2018 22:16:00 GMT
sid Not sure how you came to this conclusion but this sort of thing has being happening rightly or wrongly (I've no opinion on it) long before there was any decline in bus usage.
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Post by sid on Feb 4, 2018 22:23:14 GMT
sid Not sure how you came to this conclusion but this sort of thing has being happening rightly or wrongly (I've no opinion on it) long before there was any decline in bus usage. Well if a bus stop is closed and there's no dolly stop and they can't physically walk to the next stop then obviously they're not going to get on a bus, it's hardly going to encourage able bodied people to use the bus either. Obviously bus stops do have to be closed sometimes but I've mentioned three stops that are needlessly closed and I'm sure there must be many more.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 4, 2018 22:27:01 GMT
sid Not sure how you came to this conclusion but this sort of thing has being happening rightly or wrongly (I've no opinion on it) long before there was any decline in bus usage. Well if a bus stop is closed and there's no dolly stop and they can't physically walk to the next stop then obviously they're not going to get on a bus. Obviously bus stops do have to be closed sometimes but I've mentioned three stops that are needlessly closed and I'm sure there must be many more. Like I said, this sort of thing has been happening for years even during the boom times so your statement, to me anyway, is wrong about it contributing to the decline - whether they are needless or not is not for me to judge and I hold no opinion on that matter either.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 4, 2018 22:40:25 GMT
sid Not sure how you came to this conclusion but this sort of thing has being happening rightly or wrongly (I've no opinion on it) long before there was any decline in bus usage. Well if a bus stop is closed and there's no dolly stop and they can't physically walk to the next stop then obviously they're not going to get on a bus, it's hardly going to encourage able bodied people to use the bus either. Obviously bus stops do have to be closed sometimes but I've mentioned three stops that are needlessly closed and I'm sure there must be many more. You could always buy a T Shirt, get a roundel printed on it displaying "Temporary Bus Stop" and stand somewhere you think is safe if it bothers you that much.
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Post by sid on Feb 4, 2018 23:03:23 GMT
Well if a bus stop is closed and there's no dolly stop and they can't physically walk to the next stop then obviously they're not going to get on a bus. Obviously bus stops do have to be closed sometimes but I've mentioned three stops that are needlessly closed and I'm sure there must be many more. Like I said, this sort of thing has been happening for years even during the boom times so your statement, to me anyway, is wrong about it contributing to the decline - whether they are needless or not is not for me to judge and I hold no opinion on that matter either. I can only repeat that I've mentioned three stops that are needlessly closed and even included photos of two of them. I don't quite understand what you're disagreeing about?
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Post by busaholic on Feb 4, 2018 23:17:48 GMT
sid Not sure how you came to this conclusion but this sort of thing has being happening rightly or wrongly (I've no opinion on it) long before there was any decline in bus usage. Well if a bus stop is closed and there's no dolly stop and they can't physically walk to the next stop then obviously they're not going to get on a bus, it's hardly going to encourage able bodied people to use the bus either. Obviously bus stops do have to be closed sometimes but I've mentioned three stops that are needlessly closed and I'm sure there must be many more. London Transport policy used to be that if a stop had to be closed for any reason on a stretch of road still served by buses that used that stop then every effort was made to find a safe place to provide a temporary (dolly) stop. There were very few instances where a stop was closed for two days or more and a replacement was not provided. For a few months in the early 1970s I was the guy at HQ responsible for bus stops in the West London area, although temporary stopping places weren't something usually brought to our attention by local management unless they got contentious (anything around Ealing being in the latter category!)
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Post by sid on Feb 4, 2018 23:34:38 GMT
Well if a bus stop is closed and there's no dolly stop and they can't physically walk to the next stop then obviously they're not going to get on a bus, it's hardly going to encourage able bodied people to use the bus either. Obviously bus stops do have to be closed sometimes but I've mentioned three stops that are needlessly closed and I'm sure there must be many more. London Transport policy used to be that if a stop had to be closed for any reason on a stretch of road still served by buses that used that stop then every effort was made to find a safe place to provide a temporary (dolly) stop. There were very few instances where a stop was closed for two days or more and a replacement was not provided. For a few months in the early 1970s I was the guy at HQ responsible for bus stops in the West London area, although temporary stopping places weren't something usually brought to our attention by local management unless they got contentious (anything around Ealing being in the latter category!) Exactly that, whenever a stop was closed a dolly stop alternative was provided in the vast majority of instances. It was more about stops that are needlessly closed such as this one www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/26184722398/in/dateposted-public/ indeed there is a bus stopped there to prove the point, and no dolly stop alternative was provided despite the fact there is ample space for one.
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Post by sid on Feb 5, 2018 11:03:00 GMT
Well if a bus stop is closed and there's no dolly stop and they can't physically walk to the next stop then obviously they're not going to get on a bus, it's hardly going to encourage able bodied people to use the bus either. Obviously bus stops do have to be closed sometimes but I've mentioned three stops that are needlessly closed and I'm sure there must be many more. You could always buy a T Shirt, get a roundel printed on it displaying "Temporary Bus Stop" and stand somewhere you think is safe if it bothers you that much. Oh yes we'll just make the "lazy scum" (as you call them ) walk to the next stop shall we? I mean who cares if they are elderly or disabled? And I mean if it's pouring with rain it's tough luck. If they don't like it they can use uber instead.......................................................oh hang on, isn't that exactly what they're doing?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 5, 2018 11:09:40 GMT
You could always buy a T Shirt, get a roundel printed on it displaying "Temporary Bus Stop" and stand somewhere you think is safe if it bothers you that much. Oh yes we'll just make the "lazy scum" (as you call them ) walk to the next stop shall we? I mean who cares if they are elderly or disabled? And I mean if it's pouring with rain it's tough luck. If they don't like it they can use uber instead.......................................................oh hang on, isn't that exactly what they're doing? I haven't heard of many people riding Uber for one bus stop
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Post by sid on Feb 5, 2018 11:11:23 GMT
I haven't heard of many people riding Uber for one bus stop Neither have I
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Post by bookd on Feb 5, 2018 23:59:09 GMT
But they may take one for their whole journey and decide that in future it is easier than the bus.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 7, 2018 13:41:20 GMT
Please, please, please watch the BBC London lunchtime news today; Tom Edwards was reporting on a leaked TfL staff email where it states significant [financial] losses expected in the next year. It is music to my ears! EDIT: one of the quotes extracted from the email: "like a hosuehold budget where there isn't enough to pay the mortgage." You don't believe the piece gets anymore beautiful than that, but it does....
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Post by vjaska on Feb 7, 2018 14:22:29 GMT
Please, please, please watch the BBC London lunchtime news today; Tom Edwards was reporting on a leaked TfL staff email where it states signicant [financial] losses expected in the next year. It is music to my ears! EDIT: one of the quotes extracted from the email: "like a hosuehold budget where there isn't enough to pay the mortgage." You don't believe the piece get anymore beautiful than that, but it does.... It must this article which I saw on a Facebook group www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42975661
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