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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 12, 2018 22:22:35 GMT
New works started today on new homes and a new bus terminus at Beacontree Heath LinkHopefully this one is big enough to take both of the routes, and the proposed EL4. Currently it's common to see a bus left at the Leisure Centre stop and two buses to be parked perpendicular to the 4 marked bays due to a lack of room there.
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Post by VPL630 on Feb 13, 2018 11:02:33 GMT
It's been a few months now since I last reported this but roadworks doesn't seem to be the reason. When leaving stand many 55s now run via Henrietta Place and Vere Street instead of via Great Portland Street and Cavendish Place, however not all 55s are doing this and none of the 25s or 73s are doing this. I can't think of any benefit to them taking this alternate route either so I'm assuming there's bound to be some reason. Because it’s sometimes quicker, there have also been various roadworks in the area, the controller has the discretion to divert buses around that area as and when needed as no millage/stops are lost
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Post by busaholic on Feb 13, 2018 22:10:36 GMT
How far will £1.50 take you on LO or NR in the area? A 5 car train running every 15 minutes (and replacing in part a 2 car train every 30 minutes) is hardly the stuff of wildest dreams, especially when it may not even serve the places a lot of local people are trying to get to, at least without a congested change. If people are leaving the 345, the 35 and the 45 I suggest it's often because of cuts in service and the ever-increasing congestion, perhaps in many cases finding it quicker to walk for shortish journeys. Divide and rule was ever the Tory way, but Labour seem to now embrace it too. Not sure what point you are making. NR fares are higher than TfL for rail and tube and you can get a very long way indeed, off peak, for £1.50 if you know how to use the TfL Single Fare Finder and where pink validators are. You can certainly get from Clapham Junction to Canary Wharf for £1.50 on the Overground / Tube off peak. You can't ignore the fact that the Overground's South London Line service is immensely popular - it loads well off peak and leaves full and standing from Clapham Junction in the peaks. It offers a convenient service and the booming usage of Denmark Hill shows that people have tweaked their travel habits. I dare say similar things can be said at Peckham Rye and also to a lesser extent Clapham High St and Wandsworth Road. If you look at the published stats you would see that much of what TfL are doing now is cuts *after* patronage has fallen. These reductions have typically taken place over 2-4 years so are not exactly a blip. It may be uncomfortable reading but in some parts of London people most certainly have swapped from bus to tube / Overground. I see this first hand on the Victoria Line where the very high frequency service and faster trip times have boosted demand hugely as has the creation of convenient links to the Overground at Highbury and Blackhorse Rd where much more reliable and frequent services are on offer. (Yes, I know the physical interchanges have existed at those stns for many decades). TfL, and LT before it, have always adjusted bus services to better link to new rail links but also to reflect the fact that modal transfer does happen. I don't see this as politically driven "divide and rule" as you suggest. All major rail investment assumes some modal transfer and models the effects - this has been done for the Met Line Extension, was certainly done for the Jubilee Line extension and I'd expect it figured in Overground and Crossrail business cases too. It's simply a fact of life that people vote with their feet. The Underground/Overground fares structure has huge anomalies, as I'm sure you'd acknowledge, and I'm aware that, offpeak, and if you're not in a hurry, you can travel fabulous distances along certain corridors for next to nothing, so long as you follow all the protocols: one slip, though, and you're doomed! (to pay a hugely higher fare). The problem is, of course, if you live nowhere near an Underground/Overground or, even if you do, you want to go in a completely different direction: then your fare could be triple that low fare for no apparent reason other than an historical accident. North to South London services are, for instance, much less easy than West to East to achieve huge 'savings'. I'm not denying the success/importance of Overground from Peckham etc to Clapham Junction: indeed, you make my point for me! The area is so starved of resources that when something (anything) comes along it's immediately over-subscribed! I still maintain that a 5 car train with few seats running every 15 minutes is a mere sop to the area and is a finger in the d**e. The plans when the South London Line was withdrawn included an extra rail service from Victoria via the Catford Loop to Bellingham, the only part of the plan that B. Johnson refused to sign off when Mayor! In my opinion, the Nothern Line branch extension from Kennington should never have been to anywhere near Battersea but to Camberwell and Peckham, to areas not full of non-dom non-taxpaying parasites.
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 14, 2018 0:05:30 GMT
there is probably a simple explanation of this but can someone explain that when looking at rare on lvf at 23:52,i can see vehicles that have been last seen at 00:17 next day Screenshot_20180213-235215 by southlondontransport, on Flickr
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Post by snoggle on Feb 14, 2018 0:45:57 GMT
I still maintain that a 5 car train with few seats running every 15 minutes is a mere sop to the area and is a finger in the d**e. The plans when the South London Line was withdrawn included an extra rail service from Victoria via the Catford Loop to Bellingham, the only part of the plan that B. Johnson refused to sign off when Mayor! In my opinion, the Nothern Line branch extension from Kennington should never have been to anywhere near Battersea but to Camberwell and Peckham, to areas not full of non-dom non-taxpaying parasites. It is not often that I defend Boris Johnson but I am not sure it is his fault that the extra service into Victoria did not materialise. The whole issue of the SLL / Overground extension became embroiled in a nonsensical row with the DfT over funding trade offs, a refusal to vary South Eastern's franchise, lack of trains and a refusal to allow TfL to run trains themselves into Victoria because of revenue abstraction worries on South Eastern. I think TfL put forward as balanced a package as possible to cope with what they thought would happen to passenger demand. Unfortunately the DfT deliberately made things as awkward as possible - worth bearing in mind this was under a Labour Govt. We now see a similar situation on a range of issues but with the political control at City Hall and Government reversed. As I have said many times on here there is no vision at TfL or City Hall about extending / expanding the tube network. The Battersea Extension is a matter of development convenience because private monies may / should (I'm a bit sceptical) slowly pay back the £1bn loan taken out to build it. No such prospect with extensions to Camberwell or Peckham where you are just serving established areas without glitzy £20m penthouses. I think Crossrail 2 is an utter mess and the wrong answer. I am very sceptical that the Bakerloo Extension to Lewisham will ever materialise plus it should run to Catford anyway. There is clear scope for at least 2 new tube lines to cover areas that are unserved and we could probably emulate part of what Paris is doing with orbital automated metro lines in one or two judicious corridors. Anyway I digress.
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Post by Green Kitten on Feb 14, 2018 17:40:15 GMT
Not sure what point you are making. NR fares are higher than TfL for rail and tube and you can get a very long way indeed, off peak, for £1.50 if you know how to use the TfL Single Fare Finder and where pink validators are. You can certainly get from Clapham Junction to Canary Wharf for £1.50 on the Overground / Tube off peak. You can't ignore the fact that the Overground's South London Line service is immensely popular - it loads well off peak and leaves full and standing from Clapham Junction in the peaks. It offers a convenient service and the booming usage of Denmark Hill shows that people have tweaked their travel habits. I dare say similar things can be said at Peckham Rye and also to a lesser extent Clapham High St and Wandsworth Road. If you look at the published stats you would see that much of what TfL are doing now is cuts *after* patronage has fallen. These reductions have typically taken place over 2-4 years so are not exactly a blip. It may be uncomfortable reading but in some parts of London people most certainly have swapped from bus to tube / Overground. I see this first hand on the Victoria Line where the very high frequency service and faster trip times have boosted demand hugely as has the creation of convenient links to the Overground at Highbury and Blackhorse Rd where much more reliable and frequent services are on offer. (Yes, I know the physical interchanges have existed at those stns for many decades). TfL, and LT before it, have always adjusted bus services to better link to new rail links but also to reflect the fact that modal transfer does happen. I don't see this as politically driven "divide and rule" as you suggest. All major rail investment assumes some modal transfer and models the effects - this has been done for the Met Line Extension, was certainly done for the Jubilee Line extension and I'd expect it figured in Overground and Crossrail business cases too. It's simply a fact of life that people vote with their feet. The Underground/Overground fares structure has huge anomalies, as I'm sure you'd acknowledge, and I'm aware that, offpeak, and if you're not in a hurry, you can travel fabulous distances along certain corridors for next to nothing, so long as you follow all the protocols: one slip, though, and you're doomed! (to pay a hugely higher fare). The problem is, of course, if you live nowhere near an Underground/Overground or, even if you do, you want to go in a completely different direction: then your fare could be triple that low fare for no apparent reason other than an historical accident. North to South London services are, for instance, much less easy than West to East to achieve huge 'savings'. I'm not denying the success/importance of Overground from Peckham etc to Clapham Junction: indeed, you make my point for me! The area is so starved of resources that when something (anything) comes along it's immediately over-subscribed! I still maintain that a 5 car train with few seats running every 15 minutes is a mere sop to the area and is a finger in the d**e. The plans when the South London Line was withdrawn included an extra rail service from Victoria via the Catford Loop to Bellingham, the only part of the plan that B. Johnson refused to sign off when Mayor! In my opinion, the Nothern Line branch extension from Kennington should never have been to anywhere near Battersea but to Camberwell and Peckham, to areas not full of non-dom non-taxpaying parasites.
Much as I can’t stand the soulless development with million-pound flats, a lot of the funding is from the development itself. Need to have the residents have a quick link to the city to flog the box-homes.
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Post by busaholic on Feb 14, 2018 23:16:15 GMT
I still maintain that a 5 car train with few seats running every 15 minutes is a mere sop to the area and is a finger in the d**e. The plans when the South London Line was withdrawn included an extra rail service from Victoria via the Catford Loop to Bellingham, the only part of the plan that B. Johnson refused to sign off when Mayor! In my opinion, the Nothern Line branch extension from Kennington should never have been to anywhere near Battersea but to Camberwell and Peckham, to areas not full of non-dom non-taxpaying parasites. It is not often that I defend Boris Johnson but I am not sure it is his fault that the extra service into Victoria did not materialise. The whole issue of the SLL / Overground extension became embroiled in a nonsensical row with the DfT over funding trade offs, a refusal to vary South Eastern's franchise, lack of trains and a refusal to allow TfL to run trains themselves into Victoria because of revenue abstraction worries on South Eastern. I think TfL put forward as balanced a package as possible to cope with what they thought would happen to passenger demand. Unfortunately the DfT deliberately made things as awkward as possible - worth bearing in mind this was under a Labour Govt. We now see a similar situation on a range of issues but with the political control at City Hall and Government reversed. As I have said many times on here there is no vision at TfL or City Hall about extending / expanding the tube network. The Battersea Extension is a matter of development convenience because private monies may / should (I'm a bit sceptical) slowly pay back the £1bn loan taken out to build it. No such prospect with extensions to Camberwell or Peckham where you are just serving established areas without glitzy £20m penthouses. I think Crossrail 2 is an utter mess and the wrong answer. I am very sceptical that the Bakerloo Extension to Lewisham will ever materialise plus it should run to Catford anyway. There is clear scope for at least 2 new tube lines to cover areas that are unserved and we could probably emulate part of what Paris is doing with orbital automated metro lines in one or two judicious corridors. Anyway I digress. I bow to your superior knowledge regarding Johnson's influence/non-influence on that decision. My impression of his involvement probably came from comments either in 'Modern Railways' or 'Rail' magazine, or on a Brockley area website (I've historical links with the area), which I can't remember now: anyway, not important. I'm also un-partisan enough to recognise that Labour were in power nationally: I would traditionally expect more of them than of the Tories, but life experience (and working for a Labour local authority) quickly disabused me of my illusions! Absolutely agree, Crossrail should be going to Catford, but I wouldn't despair of that happening IF it ever gets to Lewisham first: certainly won't happen in my lifetime though. I believe I read the positioning of the platforms/stabling at Lewisham could only realistically lead an extension in that direction.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 15, 2018 11:47:14 GMT
Ohhh, blimey, so let me tell a story of a shocking incident I've encountered on February 12th at 22:30 on SEL806. I enjoy getting the 297 in the evenings, but after something like this, I'm no longer so sure… I board the bus at AC, you'd have thought the oyster reader acting up would be the most eventful thing to happen, well no… We take off, glide along nicely, then some hooded guy appears at the middle of the road, our bus brakes and tries to dodge him, but he jumps right into its path! Shoot, have we hit him?? Is he high or suicidal?? Me and the guy seating adjacent are shocked. But turns out he's unscathed, and actually standing in the path of the bus refusing to move, and hurling insults at the driver! Turns out the bus stop was closed, so this genius thinks by blocking the bus he'll get on. He argues and argues, just stands there, he even lit a god*mn cigarette. The driver threatens to call the police and calls control. Few male passengers call the guy a "f-ing idiot" and such. It gets quite nasty. I stay where I am. Arguments carry on, the passengers say he should not be allowed on (I agree), the driver eventually starts to reverse, the guy moves - he tells him to get on, I think he's being clever trying to trick him - well turns out none of that!! The thug boards, whilst one guy alights in protest, and I honestly cannot blame him! Cursing, with a smug face he goes upstairs, towards the back. Can hear some subdued rap rubbish he's put on. I quietly communicate with the chap who sat near me and apparently the control told the driver to do this, what the flip!! This was at Beaconsfield Road stop if I recall correctly. The yob finally alights few stops before Alperton, possibly Eagle Road but I'm really not sure. He still goes cursing as he goes down, creates a commotion before he gets off, and the passengers who were on return the favour. What the hell!!!
Now, this is just appalling. The driver is a coward. The control are doing it the Metrocrime way and don't give two craps about passenger safety, it's all about the operations, blah blah... What if this guy had a knife on him, or acid, anything? I certainly did not feel safe, thank goodness I had this other fellow sitting near me, and that you can see reflections of the interior on SEL front glass if you look up (so I did not have to physically turn around and attract unnecessary attention onto myself). I think police should have come indeed and grabbed this prat by the scruff of his neck, end of. What if he returns? I was taught that beyond a certain age, putting up a strop will not get you your own way - yet this is just what happened!
I hope that key people see this and take action. I'm making a complaint to TfL anyway as it is. It's unacceptable.
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Post by 15002 on Feb 15, 2018 12:05:24 GMT
Ohhh, blimey, so let me tell a story of a shocking incident I've encountered on February 12th at 22:30 on SEL806. I enjoy getting the 297 in the evenings, but after something like this, I'm no longer so sure… I board the bus at AC, you'd have thought the oyster reader acting up would be the most eventful thing to happen, well no… We take off, glide along nicely, then some hooded guy appears at the middle of the road, our bus brakes and tries to dodge him, but he jumps right into its path! Shoot, have we hit him?? Is he high or suicidal?? Me and the guy seating adjacent are shocked. But turns out he's unscathed, and actually standing in the path of the bus refusing to move, and hurling insults at the driver! Turns out the bus stop was closed, so this genius thinks by blocking the bus he'll get on. He argues and argues, just stands there, he even lit a god*mn cigarette. The driver threatens to call the police and calls control. Few male passengers call the guy a "f-ing idiot" and such. It gets quite nasty. I stay where I am. Arguments carry on, the passengers say he should not be allowed on (I agree), the driver eventually starts to reverse, the guy moves - he tells him to get on, I think he's being clever trying to trick him - well turns out none of that!! The thug boards, whilst one guy alights in protest, and I honestly cannot blame him! Cursing, with a smug face he goes upstairs, towards the back. Can hear some subdued rap rubbish he's put on. I quietly communicate with the chap who sat near me and apparently the control told the driver to do this, what the flip!! This was at Beaconsfield Road stop if I recall correctly. The yob finally alights few stops before Alperton, possibly Eagle Road but I'm really not sure. He still goes cursing as he goes down, creates a commotion before he gets off, and the passengers who were on return the favour. What the hell!!! Now, this is just appalling. The driver is a coward. The control are doing it the Metrocrime way and don't give two craps about passenger safety, it's all about the operations, blah blah... What if this guy had a knife on him, or acid, anything? I certainly did not feel safe, thank goodness I had this other fellow sitting near me, and that you can see reflections of the interior on SEL front glass if you look up (so I did not have to physically turn around and attract unnecessary attention onto myself). I think police should have come indeed and grabbed this prat by the scruff of his neck, end of. What if he returns? I was taught that beyond a certain age, putting up a strop will not get you your own way - yet this is just what happened! I hope that key people see this and take action. I'm making a complaint to TfL anyway as it is. It's unacceptable. I’ve had similar experiences like this on the 174. There were a bunch of youths trying to enter on the bus, and being persistent when they had no Oyster card but the bus driver didn’t have any of it and they were just making fun of the driver after he refused to let them on. I have to commend drivers like these for sticking up for himself and not letting youths like these on, which is a shame that the driver in this particular example just let the passengers on despite them clearly displaying anti-social behaviour.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 15, 2018 12:09:41 GMT
Ohhh, blimey, so let me tell a story of a shocking incident I've encountered on February 12th at 22:30 on SEL806. I enjoy getting the 297 in the evenings, but after something like this, I'm no longer so sure… I board the bus at AC, you'd have thought the oyster reader acting up would be the most eventful thing to happen, well no… We take off, glide along nicely, then some hooded guy appears at the middle of the road, our bus brakes and tries to dodge him, but he jumps right into its path! Shoot, have we hit him?? Is he high or suicidal?? Me and the guy seating adjacent are shocked. But turns out he's unscathed, and actually standing in the path of the bus refusing to move, and hurling insults at the driver! Turns out the bus stop was closed, so this genius thinks by blocking the bus he'll get on. He argues and argues, just stands there, he even lit a god*mn cigarette. The driver threatens to call the police and calls control. Few male passengers call the guy a "f-ing idiot" and such. It gets quite nasty. I stay where I am. Arguments carry on, the passengers say he should not be allowed on (I agree), the driver eventually starts to reverse, the guy moves - he tells him to get on, I think he's being clever trying to trick him - well turns out none of that!! The thug boards, whilst one guy alights in protest, and I honestly cannot blame him! Cursing, with a smug face he goes upstairs, towards the back. Can hear some subdued rap rubbish he's put on. I quietly communicate with the chap who sat near me and apparently the control told the driver to do this, what the flip!! This was at Beaconsfield Road stop if I recall correctly. The yob finally alights few stops before Alperton, possibly Eagle Road but I'm really not sure. He still goes cursing as he goes down, creates a commotion before he gets off, and the passengers who were on return the favour. What the hell!!! Now, this is just appalling. The driver is a coward. The control are doing it the Metrocrime way and don't give two craps about passenger safety, it's all about the operations, blah blah... What if this guy had a knife on him, or acid, anything? I certainly did not feel safe, thank goodness I had this other fellow sitting near me, and that you can see reflections of the interior on SEL front glass if you look up (so I did not have to physically turn around and attract unnecessary attention onto myself). I think police should have come indeed and grabbed this prat by the scruff of his neck, end of. What if he returns? I was taught that beyond a certain age, putting up a strop will not get you your own way - yet this is just what happened! I hope that key people see this and take action. I'm making a complaint to TfL anyway as it is. It's unacceptable. I don't think it's fair to call the driver a coward as it seems they were caught between a rock & a hard place - whilst letting him on is wrong due to his behaviour, I totally understand why the driver did it as they are probably thinking that by letting him on, the situation doesn't escalate any further. I've done the same at work where people look to argue with you about a product being in stock or that you don't sell it when they're adamant that you do - sometimes it's just best to let them think they're right in order for conflict to de-escalate or vanish altogether. I suspect that's also what maybe control we're trying to do as well. As for the police, they're are massively overstretched and I'm not sure they'd come out for a bloke being a div - had it escalated further, then things would be different I imagine. I'm not making excuses but in the times we live in, the police are having to pick and choose what to prioritise given the lack of resources at their disposal.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 15, 2018 12:24:27 GMT
Ohhh, blimey, so let me tell a story of a shocking incident I've encountered on February 12th at 22:30 on SEL806. I enjoy getting the 297 in the evenings, but after something like this, I'm no longer so sure… I board the bus at AC, you'd have thought the oyster reader acting up would be the most eventful thing to happen, well no… We take off, glide along nicely, then some hooded guy appears at the middle of the road, our bus brakes and tries to dodge him, but he jumps right into its path! Shoot, have we hit him?? Is he high or suicidal?? Me and the guy seating adjacent are shocked. But turns out he's unscathed, and actually standing in the path of the bus refusing to move, and hurling insults at the driver! Turns out the bus stop was closed, so this genius thinks by blocking the bus he'll get on. He argues and argues, just stands there, he even lit a god*mn cigarette. The driver threatens to call the police and calls control. Few male passengers call the guy a "f-ing idiot" and such. It gets quite nasty. I stay where I am. Arguments carry on, the passengers say he should not be allowed on (I agree), the driver eventually starts to reverse, the guy moves - he tells him to get on, I think he's being clever trying to trick him - well turns out none of that!! The thug boards, whilst one guy alights in protest, and I honestly cannot blame him! Cursing, with a smug face he goes upstairs, towards the back. Can hear some subdued rap rubbish he's put on. I quietly communicate with the chap who sat near me and apparently the control told the driver to do this, what the flip!! This was at Beaconsfield Road stop if I recall correctly. The yob finally alights few stops before Alperton, possibly Eagle Road but I'm really not sure. He still goes cursing as he goes down, creates a commotion before he gets off, and the passengers who were on return the favour. What the hell!!! Now, this is just appalling. The driver is a coward. The control are doing it the Metrocrime way and don't give two craps about passenger safety, it's all about the operations, blah blah... What if this guy had a knife on him, or acid, anything? I certainly did not feel safe, thank goodness I had this other fellow sitting near me, and that you can see reflections of the interior on SEL front glass if you look up (so I did not have to physically turn around and attract unnecessary attention onto myself). I think police should have come indeed and grabbed this prat by the scruff of his neck, end of. What if he returns? I was taught that beyond a certain age, putting up a strop will not get you your own way - yet this is just what happened! I hope that key people see this and take action. I'm making a complaint to TfL anyway as it is. It's unacceptable. Regarding what Metroline did in the situation, other operators would have likely done the same procedure in telling the driver to let him on. Like you said, whatever it takes for firms to have 'the quiet life' and get out the best ratio of mileage possible. Unfortunately if the driver didn't follow their instructions he's likely to be in more trouble than the troublemaker. I do sympathize with you on your experience.
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Post by rmz19 on Feb 15, 2018 13:03:55 GMT
Now, this is just appalling. The driver is a coward. The control are doing it the Metrocrime way and don't give two craps about passenger safety, it's all about the operations, blah blah... What if this guy had a knife on him, or acid, anything? I certainly did not feel safe, thank goodness I had this other fellow sitting near me, and that you can see reflections of the interior on SEL front glass if you look up (so I did not have to physically turn around and attract unnecessary attention onto myself). I think police should have come indeed and grabbed this prat by the scruff of his neck, end of. What if he returns? I was taught that beyond a certain age, putting up a strop will not get you your own way - yet this is just what happened! I hope that key people see this and take action. I'm making a complaint to TfL anyway as it is. It's unacceptable. I completely agree. If I was that driver and my instinct tells me not to let him on I would act on my instinct. I would find a way, by any reasonable means, to go past this idiotic excuse of a human being and drive off. This prat should learn the hard way. We really can't take any risks in this day and age, as you rightly point out there could've been serious consequences regarding safety.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 15, 2018 13:15:04 GMT
Well as for the police, I recall in the past there was a guy once who got onto my N16 without paying. Refused to get off, just sat there, then started walking around the bus. Driver called the police, who turned up after 20min and hurled him off. Off we went after that and had quite a lot of annoyed passengers to pick up due to the gap. That guy certainly didn't throw himself under the bus yet the police did intervene. Same company as well. Why is this different now?
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Post by sid on Feb 15, 2018 13:21:58 GMT
Ohhh, blimey, so let me tell a story of a shocking incident I've encountered on February 12th at 22:30 on SEL806. I enjoy getting the 297 in the evenings, but after something like this, I'm no longer so sure… I board the bus at AC, you'd have thought the oyster reader acting up would be the most eventful thing to happen, well no… We take off, glide along nicely, then some hooded guy appears at the middle of the road, our bus brakes and tries to dodge him, but he jumps right into its path! Shoot, have we hit him?? Is he high or suicidal?? Me and the guy seating adjacent are shocked. But turns out he's unscathed, and actually standing in the path of the bus refusing to move, and hurling insults at the driver! Turns out the bus stop was closed, so this genius thinks by blocking the bus he'll get on. He argues and argues, just stands there, he even lit a god*mn cigarette. The driver threatens to call the police and calls control. Few male passengers call the guy a "f-ing idiot" and such. It gets quite nasty. I stay where I am. Arguments carry on, the passengers say he should not be allowed on (I agree), the driver eventually starts to reverse, the guy moves - he tells him to get on, I think he's being clever trying to trick him - well turns out none of that!! The thug boards, whilst one guy alights in protest, and I honestly cannot blame him! Cursing, with a smug face he goes upstairs, towards the back. Can hear some subdued rap rubbish he's put on. I quietly communicate with the chap who sat near me and apparently the control told the driver to do this, what the flip!! This was at Beaconsfield Road stop if I recall correctly. The yob finally alights few stops before Alperton, possibly Eagle Road but I'm really not sure. He still goes cursing as he goes down, creates a commotion before he gets off, and the passengers who were on return the favour. What the hell!!! Now, this is just appalling. The driver is a coward. The control are doing it the Metrocrime way and don't give two craps about passenger safety, it's all about the operations, blah blah... What if this guy had a knife on him, or acid, anything? I certainly did not feel safe, thank goodness I had this other fellow sitting near me, and that you can see reflections of the interior on SEL front glass if you look up (so I did not have to physically turn around and attract unnecessary attention onto myself). I think police should have come indeed and grabbed this prat by the scruff of his neck, end of. What if he returns? I was taught that beyond a certain age, putting up a strop will not get you your own way - yet this is just what happened! I hope that key people see this and take action. I'm making a complaint to TfL anyway as it is. It's unacceptable. Whilst not condoning his behaviour it sounded like all he wanted to do was get on the bus, was this another stop closed unnecessarily with no dolly stop replacement? Something I've mentioned on here recently. The driver can only do what the controller says, as for the police it depends how busy they are, an incident like this is unlikely to be a priority.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 15, 2018 13:57:02 GMT
Even that Putney stubborn old man had police called on him. A too easy way out was chosen. We'd be saying different things if someone actually got hurt... If a grown adult man refused to be on the same bus as this guy, then how was a young girl meant to feel safe? Pretty sure it's a passenger's right to feel that on public transport. And the late hour has nothing to do with this, I've seen a woman with a buggy on a night bus at 1am before.
And then we wonder why petty criminals feel as loose as they do, they know they can get away with it as the way they are dealt with is too lenient. In Poland even fare evaders are treated like criminals. In ignorance I over-validated my ticket on a Polish bus (yes turns out that's possible) and as I had no ID of sorts the RPIs wanted to call police on me in order to determine identity. (They only ultimately didn't because they had a phone call with my Grandma who reasoned with them and also told them She worked for the Kraków Municipal Transport, which She really did back in the day - in the end they made me purchase a brand new ticket which really felt like slap on the wrist given how much money the fine is).
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