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Post by sid on Feb 15, 2018 14:06:10 GMT
Even that Putney stubborn old man had police called on him. A too easy way out was chosen. We'd be saying different things if someone actually got hurt... If a grown adult man refused to be on the same bus as this guy, then how was a young girl meant to feel safe? Pretty sure it's a passenger's right to feel that on public transport. And the late hour has nothing to do with this, I've seen a woman with a buggy on a night bus at 1am before. And then we wonder why petty criminals feel as loose as they do, they know they can get away with it as the way they are dealt with is too lenient. In Poland even fare evaders are treated like criminals. In ignorance I over-validated my ticket on a Polish bus (yes turns out that's possible) and as I had no ID of sorts the RPIs wanted to call police on me in order to determine identity. (They only ultimately didn't because they had a phone call with my Grandma who reasoned with them and also told them She worked for the Kraków Municipal Transport, which She really did back in the day - in the end they made me purchase a brand new ticket which really felt like slap on the wrist given how much money the fine is). Well you can call the police, whether they actually turn up or not is another matter, meanwhile there are passengers on the bus who want to get somewhere.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 15, 2018 15:09:40 GMT
Well as for the police, I recall in the past there was a guy once who got onto my N16 without paying. Refused to get off, just sat there, then started walking around the bus. Driver called the police, who turned up after 20min and hurled him off. Off we went after that and had quite a lot of annoyed passengers to pick up due to the gap. That guy certainly didn't throw himself under the bus yet the police did intervene. Same company as well. Why is this different now? I think you answered your own question! The police are massively overstretched to the point that they're picking & choosing what crimes to attend to/investigate. I belive somewhere in the Midlands, their police force only investigates burglaries from even-numbered houses; do you know how silly that is? Not only has their funding been constantly slashed since 2010, the population only increases with the potential for crime to increase, statistically speaking. We've had the Jimmy Saville investigations, which spurred on more people to report their abuse and that has led to more investigations to the likes of Barry Bennell case most recently. We've also had a hideous year of terror in 2017 with 4 deadly attacks and 1 attempted attack at Parsons Green, thankfully that did not claim lives. All this are things the police didn't plan for, but have had to deal with it regardless as it's their job. I've had to deal with the police a few times last year, from being a witness to a drink driver to having items stolen off me. I'll admit that their response times now aren't anything close to what they were a few years ago; but linking it back to your story, it's about picking and choosing battles police will attend to. The controller likely instructed the driver to let the ASBO youth on the bus, instead of waiting up to an hour for police to show up. Had the driver not done that, the situation would've escalated into violence so appropriate steps were taken to avoid that. Better to lose £1.50 in fares than hundreds of pounds due to criminal damage.
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Post by snowman on Feb 15, 2018 15:25:24 GMT
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Post by busoccultation on Feb 15, 2018 16:42:18 GMT
Ohhh, blimey, so let me tell a story of a shocking incident I've encountered on February 12th at 22:30 on SEL806. I enjoy getting the 297 in the evenings, but after something like this, I'm no longer so sure… I board the bus at AC, you'd have thought the oyster reader acting up would be the most eventful thing to happen, well no… We take off, glide along nicely, then some hooded guy appears at the middle of the road, our bus brakes and tries to dodge him, but he jumps right into its path! Shoot, have we hit him?? Is he high or suicidal?? Me and the guy seating adjacent are shocked. But turns out he's unscathed, and actually standing in the path of the bus refusing to move, and hurling insults at the driver! Turns out the bus stop was closed, so this genius thinks by blocking the bus he'll get on. He argues and argues, just stands there, he even lit a god*mn cigarette. The driver threatens to call the police and calls control. Few male passengers call the guy a "f-ing idiot" and such. It gets quite nasty. I stay where I am. Arguments carry on, the passengers say he should not be allowed on (I agree), the driver eventually starts to reverse, the guy moves - he tells him to get on, I think he's being clever trying to trick him - well turns out none of that!! The thug boards, whilst one guy alights in protest, and I honestly cannot blame him! Cursing, with a smug face he goes upstairs, towards the back. Can hear some subdued rap rubbish he's put on. I quietly communicate with the chap who sat near me and apparently the control told the driver to do this, what the flip!! This was at Beaconsfield Road stop if I recall correctly. The yob finally alights few stops before Alperton, possibly Eagle Road but I'm really not sure. He still goes cursing as he goes down, creates a commotion before he gets off, and the passengers who were on return the favour. What the hell!!! Now, this is just appalling. The driver is a coward. The control are doing it the Metrocrime way and don't give two craps about passenger safety, it's all about the operations, blah blah... What if this guy had a knife on him, or acid, anything? I certainly did not feel safe, thank goodness I had this other fellow sitting near me, and that you can see reflections of the interior on SEL front glass if you look up (so I did not have to physically turn around and attract unnecessary attention onto myself). I think police should have come indeed and grabbed this prat by the scruff of his neck, end of. What if he returns? I was taught that beyond a certain age, putting up a strop will not get you your own way - yet this is just what happened! I hope that key people see this and take action. I'm making a complaint to TfL anyway as it is. It's unacceptable. Sorry to hear that what you have witnessed, but have you already reported this incident to the Police ?
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Post by VPL630 on Feb 15, 2018 20:53:08 GMT
On Tuesday and Wednesday on a route I happen to drive, 4 bus stops were closed and not a single valid NOE for them, ever wonder why the driver doesn't tell you your stop is closed? because half the time we don't even know, what doesn't help is other drivers on other routes serving these stops that are closed
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Post by beaver14uk on Feb 15, 2018 23:27:59 GMT
Even when NOEs are issued drivers still serve closed stops. Don't need a notice to tell you not to serve a stop surely. uote author=" VPL630" source="/post/418125/thread" timestamp="1518727988"]On Tuesday and Wednesday on a route I happen to drive, 4 bus stops were closed and not a single valid NOE for them, ever wonder why the driver doesn't tell you your stop is closed? because half the time we don't even know, what doesn't help is other drivers on other routes serving these stops that are closed [/quote]
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Post by M1104 on Feb 16, 2018 9:30:43 GMT
Reading recent posts on forum about the X68 has prompted a query in my mind, why was the X53 scrapped? Presumably elements of service were absorbed into the mainstream 53?
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Post by sid on Feb 16, 2018 9:36:37 GMT
Reading recent posts on forum about the X68 has prompted a query in my mind, why was the X53 scrapped? Presumably elements of service were absorbed into the mainstream 53? It was deemed no longer necessary after the Jubilee Line extension opened.
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Post by VPL630 on Feb 16, 2018 9:59:28 GMT
Even when NOEs are issued drivers still serve closed stops. Don't need a notice to tell you not to serve a stop surely. uote author=" VPL630" source="/post/418125/thread" timestamp="1518727988"]On Tuesday and Wednesday on a route I happen to drive, 4 bus stops were closed and not a single valid NOE for them, ever wonder why the driver doesn't tell you your stop is closed? because half the time we don't even know, what doesn't help is other drivers on other routes serving these stops that are closed [/quote] Why do your quotes posts never work ? I know you don’t serve a closed bus stop but when you run light to one end of the route to start, then pick up a wheelchair user, it’s a bit of a pain when you can’t serve the stop he/she wants and it’s quite a distance to the next stop/safe place to let them off and get a load of abuse for not stopping when had I known said stop was closed I could easily have just informed them at the previous stop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 11:48:33 GMT
Ohhh, blimey, so let me tell a story of a shocking incident I've encountered on February 12th at 22:30 on SEL806. I enjoy getting the 297 in the evenings, but after something like this, I'm no longer so sure… I board the bus at AC, you'd have thought the oyster reader acting up would be the most eventful thing to happen, well no… We take off, glide along nicely, then some hooded guy appears at the middle of the road, our bus brakes and tries to dodge him, but he jumps right into its path! Shoot, have we hit him?? Is he high or suicidal?? Me and the guy seating adjacent are shocked. But turns out he's unscathed, and actually standing in the path of the bus refusing to move, and hurling insults at the driver! Turns out the bus stop was closed, so this genius thinks by blocking the bus he'll get on. He argues and argues, just stands there, he even lit a god*mn cigarette. The driver threatens to call the police and calls control. Few male passengers call the guy a "f-ing idiot" and such. It gets quite nasty. I stay where I am. Arguments carry on, the passengers say he should not be allowed on (I agree), the driver eventually starts to reverse, the guy moves - he tells him to get on, I think he's being clever trying to trick him - well turns out none of that!! The thug boards, whilst one guy alights in protest, and I honestly cannot blame him! Cursing, with a smug face he goes upstairs, towards the back. Can hear some subdued rap rubbish he's put on. I quietly communicate with the chap who sat near me and apparently the control told the driver to do this, what the flip!! This was at Beaconsfield Road stop if I recall correctly. The yob finally alights few stops before Alperton, possibly Eagle Road but I'm really not sure. He still goes cursing as he goes down, creates a commotion before he gets off, and the passengers who were on return the favour. What the hell!!! Now, this is just appalling. The driver is a coward. The control are doing it the Metrocrime way and don't give two craps about passenger safety, it's all about the operations, blah blah... What if this guy had a knife on him, or acid, anything? I certainly did not feel safe, thank goodness I had this other fellow sitting near me, and that you can see reflections of the interior on SEL front glass if you look up (so I did not have to physically turn around and attract unnecessary attention onto myself). I think police should have come indeed and grabbed this prat by the scruff of his neck, end of. What if he returns? I was taught that beyond a certain age, putting up a strop will not get you your own way - yet this is just what happened! I hope that key people see this and take action. I'm making a complaint to TfL anyway as it is. It's unacceptable. I’ve had similar experiences like this on the 174. There were a bunch of youths trying to enter on the bus, and being persistent when they had no Oyster card but the bus driver didn’t have any of it and they were just making fun of the driver after he refused to let them on. I have to commend drivers like these for sticking up for himself and not letting youths like these on, which is a shame that the driver in this particular example just let the passengers on despite them clearly displaying anti-social behaviour. I had this a few years ago on the R11 in St Mary Cray. Some scummy teens got on that didn't have Oyster cards. The driver switched the engine off and wouldn't go anywhere rightfully so. One of them was arguing with the driver, he said vulger things to the driver and about the driver's wife. Whilst one of the other ones sat next to a girl and started hassling her like an animal. In the end they got bored and got off and just started banging on the window like animals in a zoo.
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Post by sid on Feb 16, 2018 16:52:36 GMT
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Post by Madstuntman on Feb 16, 2018 16:56:15 GMT
I’ve had similar experiences like this on the 174. There were a bunch of youths trying to enter on the bus, and being persistent when they had no Oyster card but the bus driver didn’t have any of it and they were just making fun of the driver after he refused to let them on. I have to commend drivers like these for sticking up for himself and not letting youths like these on, which is a shame that the driver in this particular example just let the passengers on despite them clearly displaying anti-social behaviour. I had this a few years ago on the R11 in St Mary Cray. Some scummy teens got on that didn't have Oyster cards. The driver switched the engine off and wouldn't go anywhere rightfully so. One of them was arguing with the driver, he said vulger things to the driver and about the driver's wife. Whilst one of the other ones sat next to a girl and started hassling her like an animal. In the end they got bored and got off and just started banging on the window like animals in a zoo. Great example of why I left the bus industry. I even too a £5k paycut in the process. You couldn’t pay me enough to go back. Which is a shame because I used to enjoy the job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 19:14:14 GMT
I had this a few years ago on the R11 in St Mary Cray. Some scummy teens got on that didn't have Oyster cards. The driver switched the engine off and wouldn't go anywhere rightfully so. One of them was arguing with the driver, he said vulger things to the driver and about the driver's wife. Whilst one of the other ones sat next to a girl and started hassling her like an animal. In the end they got bored and got off and just started banging on the window like animals in a zoo. Great example of why I left the bus industry. I even too a £5k paycut in the process. You couldn’t pay me enough to go back. Which is a shame because I used to enjoy the job. You get similar circumstances in all jobs working with the public. In retail I've had all kinds of verbal abuse for refusing the sale of alcohol to young people without ID for example. There are just a lot of scummy people out there that are happy to ruin everyone's working day.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 16, 2018 19:20:26 GMT
Great example of why I left the bus industry. I even too a £5k paycut in the process. You couldn’t pay me enough to go back. Which is a shame because I used to enjoy the job. You get similar circumstances in all jobs working with the public. In retail I've had all kinds of verbal abuse for refusing the sale of alcohol to young people without ID for example. There are just a lot of scummy people out there that are happy to ruin everyone's working day. I saw the most ridiculous thing today at Harrow on the Hill tube. A LU driver, a black chap with short dreadlocks, was walking down the platform when another black man started abusing him. He was saying he was a disgrace and a "stereotype". Needless to say things got a little heated as the "discussion" continued. Eventually a train arrived so the man who started the row got on the train. I heard the driver say the other bloke "needed an education". I was astonished that a row would break out based purely on appearance and what was seemingly considered "acceptable". That's the sort of thing you expect teenagers to indulge in given they like their style "cliques" but adults??
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Post by Madstuntman on Feb 16, 2018 19:23:22 GMT
Great example of why I left the bus industry. I even too a £5k paycut in the process. You couldn’t pay me enough to go back. Which is a shame because I used to enjoy the job. You get similar circumstances in all jobs working with the public. In retail I've had all kinds of verbal abuse for refusing the sale of alcohol to young people without ID for example. There are just a lot of scummy people out there that are happy to ruin everyone's working day. Also why I no longer work with the public 😉
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