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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 26, 2018 14:15:12 GMT
RM closing has always been a favourite "speculation" of Mr 1511. I really can't see any Stagecoach garage closing over the next 5 years, unless something massive happens in the tendering market where it looses a massive group of routes (which I can't see.) Equally, theres a fair few routes up for grabs in the next few years (123, 128, 193 etc etc) Surely WH would be the most likely being TfL owned? Many garages in London are TfL owned as far as I know, so I don't think that would have a large impact. Not to mention WH have over 150 buses that would need new homes
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2018 14:30:37 GMT
Surely WH would be the most likely being TfL owned? Many garages in London are TfL owned as far as I know, so I don't think that would have a large impact. Not to mention WH have over 150 buses that would need new homes Well if around 600 buses are being axed something is likely to go.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 26, 2018 14:36:25 GMT
Many garages in London are TfL owned as far as I know, so I don't think that would have a large impact. Not to mention WH have over 150 buses that would need new homes Well if around 600 buses are being axed something is likely to go. That doesn't mean it'll be WH, and that goes for all the garages in London.
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2018 14:51:23 GMT
Well if around 600 buses are being axed something is likely to go. That doesn't mean it'll be WH, and that goes for all the garages in London. Obviously, this is just a discussion about what garage(s) may close, I don't know why you have to be so pedantic about it?
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 26, 2018 15:04:07 GMT
RM closing has always been a favourite "speculation" of Mr 1511. I really can't see any Stagecoach garage closing over the next 5 years, unless something massive happens in the tendering market where it looses a massive group of routes (which I can't see.) Equally, theres a fair few routes up for grabs in the next few years (123, 128, 193 etc etc) Surely WH would be the most likely being TfL owned? To be honest I would have thought that would make it the least likely to close as if you handed it back to TfL, they would just offer it to your competitors .... If you have some claim to the land, you have some say as to how it is disposed of. And that is before even looking at the HO functionality
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2018 15:08:09 GMT
Surely WH would be the most likely being TfL owned? To be honest I would have thought that would make it the least likely to close as if you handed it back to TfL, they would just offer it to your competitors .... If you have some claim to the land, you have some say as to how it is disposed of. And that is before even looking at the HO functionality I was thinking more of TfL making the decision with a view to selling it off? Anyway we shall see.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 26, 2018 15:43:44 GMT
"TfL expects to operate 7% less mileage on its bus network before 2020/21" does not translate into 'right, which garages are for the chop'. I won't repeat the valid points everyone else has mentioned; but to say that there's nothing wrong with having a small decrease in kilometres operated. Operators will have more time to carry out maintenance, there's the possibility to bid for more routes with existing, cast-off buses; and given that the optimum figure for operating capacity is 95%, it will take the pressure off some of the bigger garages in London. And I thought I was a pessimist!
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Post by kmkcheng on Feb 26, 2018 15:53:16 GMT
"TfL expects to operate 7% less mileage on its bus network before 2020/21" does not translate into 'right, which garages are for the chop'. I won't repeat the valid points everyone else has mentioned; but to say that there's nothing wrong with having a small decrease in kilometres operated. Operators will have more time to carry out maintenance, there's the possibility to bid for more routes with existing, cast-off buses; and given that the optimum figure for operating capacity is 95%, it will take the pressure off some of the bigger garages in London. And I thought I was a pessimist! Each company having spare capacity in their garages could mean a bit more competition when routes come out for tender where we could see larger PVR routes potentially change hands more often. It could potentially drive down tender prices further which I’m sure TfL would love
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Post by danorak on Feb 26, 2018 16:47:24 GMT
Some operators seem to have a core garage strategy which they then top up with yards as necessary. So I'd expect the 'overflows' to be vulnerable to any reduction as operators won't want to shed their core bases. As the night bus network shrinks, overnight parking may also become more of an issue.
Garages that require rebuilding or are costly to run may be exceptions. I could see PD being vulnerable due to its 70s/80s design and the surrounding redevelopments, and MG is on a prime site already earmarked in the long term for development.
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 26, 2018 23:08:11 GMT
Some operators seem to have a core garage strategy which they then top up with yards as necessary. So I'd expect the 'overflows' to be vulnerable to any reduction as operators won't want to shed their core bases. As the night bus network shrinks, overnight parking may also become more of an issue. Garages that require rebuilding or are costly to run may be exceptions. I could see PD being vulnerable due to its 70s/80s design and the surrounding redevelopments, and MG is on a prime site already earmarked in the long term for development. If GAL have another torrid time with the next lot of Bexleyheath tenders, I think that could leave BX very vulnerable, sadly.
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Post by danorak on Feb 26, 2018 23:34:03 GMT
Some operators seem to have a core garage strategy which they then top up with yards as necessary. So I'd expect the 'overflows' to be vulnerable to any reduction as operators won't want to shed their core bases. As the night bus network shrinks, overnight parking may also become more of an issue. Garages that require rebuilding or are costly to run may be exceptions. I could see PD being vulnerable due to its 70s/80s design and the surrounding redevelopments, and MG is on a prime site already earmarked in the long term for development. If GAL have another torrid time with the next lot of Bexleyheath tenders, I think that could leave BX very vulnerable, sadly. I hope not: I'd see it as a strategic site that Go Ahead would be loathe to lose and I reckon they'd do all they could to hold onto it unless it became totally unsustainable. It's still not clear to me how long MG really has. They could top BX up with the 126, 286 or 321 and shuffle things around elsewhere.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 26, 2018 23:58:40 GMT
Some operators seem to have a core garage strategy which they then top up with yards as necessary. So I'd expect the 'overflows' to be vulnerable to any reduction as operators won't want to shed their core bases. As the night bus network shrinks, overnight parking may also become more of an issue. Garages that require rebuilding or are costly to run may be exceptions. I could see PD being vulnerable due to its 70s/80s design and the surrounding redevelopments, and MG is on a prime site already earmarked in the long term for development. If GAL have another torrid time with the next lot of Bexleyheath tenders, I think that could leave BX very vulnerable, sadly. I think Go-Ahead & BX will be ok at the next one - DT doesn't have unlimited space whilst Stagecoach will have to shuffle something out of PD first whereas BX has the space already and Go-Ahead have existing compliant buses (providing they aren't leased and head off lease instead).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 14:32:34 GMT
Teenaged brats from Coopers School are throwing snowballs at buses by Chislehurst War Memorial.
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Post by sid on Feb 27, 2018 14:44:32 GMT
Teenaged brats from Coopers School are throwing snowballs at buses by Chislehurst War Memorial. Unfortunately you get a lot of that in this weather and obviously police resources are stretched. Whether reporting it to the school will achieve anything I don't know?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 14:49:58 GMT
Teenaged brats from Coopers School are throwing snowballs at buses by Chislehurst War Memorial. Unfortunately you get a lot of that in this weather and obviously police resources are stretched. Whether reporting it to the school will achieve anything I don't know? One of them went through the driver's open window on a 161.
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