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Post by Volvo on Apr 8, 2018 13:41:09 GMT
Oh I get why you do what you do - but from purely a passenger point of view it isn’t passenger friendly - and we are the reason buses exist! Another notorious stop for this is Erwood Road eastbound in Woolwich (53, 54, 422, 486). Not marked as a tailstop but often treated as such and it’s pot luck as to what each bus will do at the stop. In my case, nearly always the opposite to what I predict and it’s a pain in the backside! Another ridicolous stop is Conyers Road Southbound (57,201,333) where it is marked as a tailstop but none of the drivers see is as one.If they stop correctly,there is space for 2 buses but they stop at the flag meaning there is only space for one www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Conyers+Road+(Stop+SN)/@51.4264969,-0.1366655,3a,75y,149.19h,71.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snbJ-SJ6gz3uhhREB-BYPSw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DnbJ-SJ6gz3uhhREB BYPSw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D146.83966%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sConyer's+Rd+bus+stop,+London+SW16+6LT!3m4!1s0x0:0x379ea1f571a474e6!8m2!3d51.426418!4d-0.1365479 see I would stop at the other end of the box especially if there is a bus behind. I cannot understand why the flag is there, surrounded by a bin and lamposts.
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Post by Volvo on Apr 8, 2018 13:51:03 GMT
Another notorious stop for this is Erwood Road eastbound in Woolwich (53, 54, 422, 486). Not marked as a tailstop but often treated as such and it’s pot luck as to what each bus will do at the stop. In my case, nearly always the opposite to what I predict and it’s a pain in the backside! This bus stop is stupid considering 4 bus routes stop here, I dont understand why the flag is positioned so close to the crossing markings yet is not marked as a tailstop as if you serve it as a headstop your then hardly actually in the bus stop at all and if there are buses behind then it is just a pain in the neck.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2018 14:15:26 GMT
Another ridicolous stop is Conyers Road Southbound (57,201,333) where it is marked as a tailstop but none of the drivers see is as one.If they stop correctly,there is space for 2 buses but they stop at the flag meaning there is only space for one www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Conyers+Road+(Stop+SN)/@51.4264969,-0.1366655,3a,75y,149.19h,71.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snbJ-SJ6gz3uhhREB-BYPSw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DnbJ-SJ6gz3uhhREB BYPSw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D146.83966%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sConyer's+Rd+bus+stop,+London+SW16+6LT!3m4!1s0x0:0x379ea1f571a474e6!8m2!3d51.426418!4d-0.1365479 see I would stop at the other end of the box especially if there is a bus behind. I cannot understand why the flag is there, surrounded by a bin and lamposts. Last year, Lambeth decided to put bins at practically every bus stop in the borough which is great considering finding a bin for rubbish is notoriously difficult these days but why it has to be so the bin gets in the way is beyond me - no surprise considering Lambeth have long been clueless at many things.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 8, 2018 14:39:13 GMT
Riding buses through central London is a miserable experience these days. Well, at least through Holborn/Leicester Square/Piccadilly. During the day I can walk faster between Holborn and Piccadilly than a bus. I bailed out of a trip earlier in the week on a 19 and I just endured a trip on the 38. Suffice to say the return leg will be via the Piccadilly Line. I really feel for 19 and 38 drivers it must be painful having to sit in that traffic all day. I usually only use buses in zones 2-4 so this is a surprise to me as 15-20 years ago in my crazy bus hopping days getting through central London on a bus was a breeze. Trust me I regret the day I handed in my route learned slip for the 19s!!! Shaftesbury Ave is a pain, and Piccadilly as well. I try to avoid all of central London if possible due to the roadworks as well as Crossrail works plus everything else. Last time I hopped on a bus was on a 242 where we sat in gridlock in Bank (despite the fact it's supposed to be car free now) I used to love the 19 back in the day, DB250 thrash and better roads
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Post by John tuthill on Apr 8, 2018 15:44:19 GMT
www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Conyers+Road+(Stop+SN)/@51.4264969,-0.1366655,3a,75y,149.19h,71.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snbJ-SJ6gz3uhhREB-BYPSw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DnbJ-SJ6gz3uhhREB BYPSw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D146.83966%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sConyer's+Rd+bus+stop,+London+SW16+6LT!3m4!1s0x0:0x379ea1f571a474e6!8m2!3d51.426418!4d-0.1365479 see I would stop at the other end of the box especially if there is a bus behind. I cannot understand why the flag is there, surrounded by a bin and lamposts. Last year, Lambeth decided to put bins at practically every bus stop in the borough which is great considering finding a bin for rubbish is notoriously difficult these days but why it has to be so the bin gets in the way is beyond me - no surprise considering Lambeth have long been clueless at many things.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 8, 2018 16:26:06 GMT
Unaware? At most stops there is a yellow box. That's funny because some people will walk towards the bus doors before it has even stopped. You get those odd people who try to get on at unsafe places like you can wait like everyone else. People don't read blinds, the other day the bus in front of me had Chislehurst, War Memorial from the 1st stop then I picked up his passengers at Chislehurst, War Memorial this man got on and said "What's the point", I didn't even respond because he walked away so quickly as far as I was aware it is petty should be grateful I was going to Bromley North and not the same place. So I pay no attention to flags at particular stops where is has been postioned ridiculously so end up going past them anyways making me think why move. The Bus stop cages at some stops are large making me think what is the point so I don't pay attention to them when I have another bus behind or potentially another bus could turn up. Carrying heavy bags I've carried heavy bags on buses many times doesn't interest me where it stops because I may not have been the only one carrying such heavy bags. Oh I get why you do what you do - but from purely a passenger point of view it isn’t passenger friendly - and we are the reason buses exist! Another notorious stop for this is Erwood Road eastbound in Woolwich (53, 54, 422, 486). Not marked as a tailstop but often treated as such and it’s pot luck as to what each bus will do at the stop. In my case, nearly always the opposite to what I predict and it’s a pain in the backside! Passengers are not the reason buses exist, the inventor is the reason they exist. Passengers use them and a lot are ungrateful sorry to say, buses don’t move without drivers and buses do what drivers tell them to do. As long as the bus stop in the designated area it’s gonna stop there. Passenger friendly isn’t my concern, I think about other buses being able to serve the stop, it is down to the non geniuses who decided to place stop flags in such a ridiculous locations across London and not looking at the situations make the stop cage so huge then put the flag at a stupid place you wonder why other road users are so aggressive and want to get in front of the bus probably because there waiting behind buses which cannot serve a stop! Well do not predict just wait.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 8, 2018 16:31:34 GMT
Agree I wouldn't have said it better. Plenty of stops where bins have been stupidly positioned as well as flags. Stops where the flag is like at the back on the stop and the cage is far up is stupid, like they had one job put it somewhere logical. Classic Stop is Grove Park Station which states Tailstop no one actually stops at the stop properly the back of the bus is meant to meet the flag, honestly just move it to the top. Layby stops I pull right in so I can see what's coming past me when pulling out and not to block the road either, plenty of them in Thamesmead. On many times I've seen people waiting at Layby stop most recently for me Leas Green someone decided to wait at the very top corner, like I'm gonna stop there really the front end of the bus will be blocking most of the road. Please believe!! The lay by stops on the 123 on woodford avenue are like this, you have people standing right at the stop edge. I just look at them and wonder how they even made it out of their house and safely to the bus stop. That is just plain stupid. The corner edge isn’t safe.
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Post by Volvo on Apr 8, 2018 17:21:29 GMT
Last year, Lambeth decided to put bins at practically every bus stop in the borough which is great considering finding a bin for rubbish is notoriously difficult these days but why it has to be so the bin gets in the way is beyond me - no surprise considering Lambeth have long been clueless at many things. Lambeth are not alone though.
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Post by busoccultation on Apr 8, 2018 17:24:33 GMT
Please believe!! The lay by stops on the 123 on woodford avenue are like this, you have people standing right at the stop edge. I just look at them and wonder how they even made it out of their house and safely to the bus stop. That is just plain stupid. The corner edge isn’t safe. One of the main problems with the stops along the Woodford Avenue are the pavement on some of the stops are quite narrow that there isn't much room for both people waiting at the bus stop and for other people who are walking to pass the bus stop. Stops that have narrow pavement: Southbound: Northview Drive (Arguably the narrowest one of the lot with just a little island separating between the road and the Shell Station) Roding Lane North Claybury Broadway Lord Avenue (If there are lot people waiting for the 123/179 towards Gants Hill/Ilford as that is busiest stop along the Woodford Avenue with the exception of Gants Hill station due to many students (in particular the sixth formers) from a nearby School) Highwood Gardens Glenwood Gardens Northbound: Wycombe Road Woodford Bridge Road Roding Lane South
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 8, 2018 17:38:28 GMT
That is just plain stupid. The corner edge isn’t safe. One of the main problems with the stops along the Woodford Avenue are the pavement on some of the stops are quite narrow that there isn't much room for both people waiting at the bus stop and for other people who are walking to pass the bus stop. Stops that have narrow pavement: Southbound: Northview Drive (Arguably the narrowest one of the lot with just a little island separating between the road and the Shell Station) Roding Lane North Claybury Broadway Lord Avenue (If there are lot people waiting for the 123/179 towards Gants Hill/Ilford as that is busiest stop along the Woodford Avenue with the exception of Gants Hill station due to many students (in particular the sixth formers) from a nearby School) Highwood Gardens Glenwood Gardens Northbound: Wycombe Road Woodford Bridge Road Roding Lane South It is also noteworthy to add the pavement is shared between pedestrians and cyclists. I get that (it's only) Joe Public doesn't want to be hit by a bike, but I also wouldn't want to be hit with oncoming traffic at 50mph!!
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 8, 2018 18:05:23 GMT
Oh I get why you do what you do - but from purely a passenger point of view it isn’t passenger friendly - and we are the reason buses exist! Another notorious stop for this is Erwood Road eastbound in Woolwich (53, 54, 422, 486). Not marked as a tailstop but often treated as such and it’s pot luck as to what each bus will do at the stop. In my case, nearly always the opposite to what I predict and it’s a pain in the backside! Passengers are not the reason buses exist, the inventor is the reason they exist. Passengers use them and a lot are ungrateful sorry to say, buses don’t move without drivers and buses do what drivers tell them to do. As long as the bus stop in the designated area it’s gonna stop there. Passenger friendly isn’t my concern, I think about other buses being able to serve the stop, it is down to the non geniuses who decided to place stop flags in such a ridiculous locations across London and not looking at the situations make the stop cage so huge then put the flag at a stupid place you wonder why other road users are so aggressive and want to get in front of the bus probably because there waiting behind buses which cannot serve a stop! Well do not predict just wait. Well I shall stop there. If you are ignorant enough to believe what you have just posted there is no point continuing with this.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2018 18:07:38 GMT
Last year, Lambeth decided to put bins at practically every bus stop in the borough which is great considering finding a bin for rubbish is notoriously difficult these days but why it has to be so the bin gets in the way is beyond me - no surprise considering Lambeth have long been clueless at many things. Lambeth are not alone though. No doubt about that mate.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 8, 2018 18:36:00 GMT
Passengers are not the reason buses exist, the inventor is the reason they exist. Passengers use them and a lot are ungrateful sorry to say, buses don’t move without drivers and buses do what drivers tell them to do. As long as the bus stop in the designated area it’s gonna stop there. Passenger friendly isn’t my concern, I think about other buses being able to serve the stop, it is down to the non geniuses who decided to place stop flags in such a ridiculous locations across London and not looking at the situations make the stop cage so huge then put the flag at a stupid place you wonder why other road users are so aggressive and want to get in front of the bus probably because there waiting behind buses which cannot serve a stop! Well do not predict just wait. Well I shall stop there. If you are ignorant enough to believe what you have just posted there is no point continuing with this. To be fair you responded to my original post quoted below ⬇️. This is the “General Discussion & Ranting thread”. Ignorant isn’t the word lol, we live in a world where pretty much anything you do people are ungrateful and you cannot win, expect to be served quickly in a retail store and not realise there is a queue etc. Please and Thank You is rare and when you hear it you appreciate it. Last month people going mad because KFC ran out of Chicken and it made the news seriously... go to another Chicken shop. How ungrateful. What I really dislike is when people give funny looks when stopping in the entire box instead of the flag. I ignore them because at a lot of stops they are stupidly positioned and people wait at them where the is a whole yellow box in the road which shows “Bus Stop”. If another bus is behind me I generally make space for other buses. One ridiculous stop is Bexleyheath Clock Tower Stop for 132 229 269 492 B12 N21 where pretty much most drivers stop at the stop flag and no other buses can serve it and when busy creates long queues in the whole market place into the main road, there is space for 2 when you pull up further all because an idiot placed the flag in a stupid place, then TFL are on about pollution and air quality etc all because brainless idiots cannot put stop flags in logical places . At all times if nothing is there I go right forward to make space. Overall to reduce congestion at Bexleyheath the 269 & B13 could serve the same stop as the 96 because there turning right to go to Bexleyheath Library From there and B12 to Joydens Wood the 401 moved to the other stop served by the 89 96 422 486 B11 B12 B13 B14 B15 B16. Pretty pointless the 96 to Bluewater having a stop of its own then the two other stops are overcrowded, really need to reorganise the stopping arrangements at Bexleyheath and how it has managed like this for so long is ridiculous. I’m probably one of your passengers who gives you a funny look... Whatever position the flag is in (and I know that stop well), it’s really irritating when a bus goes past that flag...
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Post by rhys on Apr 10, 2018 2:28:39 GMT
The schedulers only go by the spec London Buses send them. When I said schedulers, I was not excluding London Buses input, or lack of. One hand not knowing what the other hand's doing, and all that. Apologies to bring this up again, Green Kitten is right. The tender specs for the 68 states that "the last bus should depart no earlier than 2345 from West Norwood". So I wouldn't say it was a cock up on anyone's part.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 10, 2018 16:59:16 GMT
Seems the "TfL haven't a clue" syndrome continues. The Vic Line is being closed down early tonight between Walthamstow and Seven Sisters for emergency engineering work. There is also a late start tomorrow morning. On the advice poster for alternative bus routes TfL say the 123 serves Blackhorse Rd, Tottenham Hale and Seven Sisters. Of course it doesn't serve there at all. I have told TfL their information is wrong. Still this vindicates my long held view that TfL were barking mad not to retain either the 123 or 230 as running via Seven Sisters when the gyratory was changed. I warned them you needed to keep a bus. Poor souls affecting by this closure will have to trek to / from Monument Way / T Bus Garage to reach the tube. And, of course, the N73 now finishes much earlier than in the past so people needing early morning transport are completely stuck. You couldn't make this rubbish up.
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