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Post by vjaska on Sept 25, 2018 10:31:37 GMT
Surprisingly while I've been in Huddersfield, I haven't seen a single Enviro 200 around  , and that's despite the fact that they are built in Yorkshire! It's all Wright Eclipse Single deckers round here and Streetlites, as well as plenty Optare Solos and Tempos, and also Plaxton Centros, which I've never seen in the flesh before. I'm quite surprised Wright didn't offer the Eclipse single decker to the London market and offered the Cadet and Streetlite instead It was offered when it had the B7LA chassis but the problem is, London has always preferred light single deckers which are generally built to short lengths. The Eclipse and the many other variants that accompanied the Eclipse is a heavy duty single decker only available in 12m length and would only be suitable for certain routes. That said, Scania did build 10.8m Omnicitys for the 100 with Metrobus but I suspect it was too late for London by then with just a single order for Citaro K's for the 413 since which would be a relevant comparison. The Cadet and the Streetlite were lighter single deckers - the Cadets big brother was the Commander which is a basically a 12m Cadet but more of a heavy duty one. |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 25, 2018 10:39:58 GMT
Surprisingly while I've been in Huddersfield, I haven't seen a single Enviro 200 around , and that's despite the fact that they are built in Yorkshire! It's all Wright Eclipse Single deckers round here and Streetlites, as well as plenty Optare Solos and Tempos, and also Plaxton Centros, which I've never seen in the flesh before. I'm quite surprised Wright didn't offer the Eclipse single decker to the London market and offered the Cadet and Streetlite instead Nearest we got was this from London Central. www.flickr.com/photos/57271897@N06/8156023923 |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2018 10:54:10 GMT
Surprisingly while I've been in Huddersfield, I haven't seen a single Enviro 200 around , and that's despite the fact that they are built in Yorkshire! It's all Wright Eclipse Single deckers round here and Streetlites, as well as plenty Optare Solos and Tempos, and also Plaxton Centros, which I've never seen in the flesh before. I'm quite surprised Wright didn't offer the Eclipse single decker to the London market and offered the Cadet and Streetlite instead First Group have a long standing preference for heavier single deck chassis in their fleet. Vast fleets of Scania and Volvo chassis country wide with some Dennis Lances in the mix. First have also run them for their full life - 18-20 years and then to the scrap heap which is all they're fit for at the end. You can sort of understand this as they still have reasonable capacity and the engine size tends to mean they're more robust for faster runs and coping with hills. A concentration on "core" routes also means there are fewer length restrictions which means larger buses can be used. TfL have far more routes whizzing down side roads and around estates than a commercial operator would typically run. First have also had a very long working association with Wrightbus who have been happy to body separate chassis while ADL have done much less of this. This partly explains the move to Streetlites but First also challenged the market place to build lighter, more fuel efficient vehicles hence the Volvo B5TL decker and the Streetdeck / Streetlite, again bodied by Wrightbus. |
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Post by Pilot on Sept 25, 2018 13:48:09 GMT
Do operators lose mileage if turns are not logged on ibus waited for a 108 turned up on 3 minutes late ibus says it's going to Stratford International but the bus is only going to Bow Church ? Didn't think 3 minutes late would justify a turn ? It could be a variety of things why the bus is turned. Doesn't always mean it is down to traffic. Could be vomit on board, mechanical problem etc. I never enter curtailment on iBus, mainly because no luxury for time to do so, but it's annoying to hear the announcer saying it's still going to the final destination so I might start doing it soon...
The guy mentioned vomit or mechanical problem below your post, but to add there could be far more such as he has to be for driver changeover at other location at specific time, plus iBus can be really 'clever' sometimes and turn the guy on purpose if he's few minutes late because they know that driver will take his 5 minutes break and cause even longer delay...been there myself...got turned 3 times in a row at a spot where I couldn't use toilet and use my 5 minutes.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 25, 2018 14:23:17 GMT
No they would not, as they would see on the MTV mileage that the bus didn't timestamp the rest of the stops up to the terminus. The mileage loss should have also been logged by the controller. READ WHAT I WROTE: I said if the driver didn't enter the curtailment into the MDT THEY WOULD STILL GET FINED when TfL audit the mileage No THEY DO NOT GET FINED if the driver doesn't enter the curtailment. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 14:36:55 GMT
READ WHAT I WROTE: I said if the driver didn't enter the curtailment into the MDT THEY WOULD STILL GET FINED when TfL audit the mileage No THEY DO NOT GET FINED if the driver doesn't enter the curtailment. I probably used the wrong words. What I'm trying to say is they still lose the mileage |
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Post by Ted Barclay on Sept 25, 2018 14:37:18 GMT
It could be a variety of things why the bus is turned. Doesn't always mean it is down to traffic. Could be vomit on board, mechanical problem etc. I never enter curtailment on iBus, mainly because no luxury for time to do so, but it's annoying to hear the announcer saying it's still going to the final destination so I might start doing it soon...
If you get annoyed about it announcing the wrong destination, just think how the passengers feel? Surely it is your job to enter the curtailment into iBus - if it takes time so be it. Ted B |
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Post by Pilot on Sept 25, 2018 16:21:17 GMT
I never enter curtailment on iBus, mainly because no luxury for time to do so, but it's annoying to hear the announcer saying it's still going to the final destination so I might start doing it soon...
If you get annoyed about it announcing the wrong destination, just think how the passengers feel? Surely it is your job to enter the curtailment into iBus - if it takes time so be it. Ted B It also not always works, not sure if it's route related issue or MDT but when I selected the curtailment it just kept saying the same thing anyways. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 17:01:38 GMT
It really makes me angry when councils or TfL don’t coordinate roadworks. There are now three separate sets of roadworks along the 213 route, four if you include the Kingston works as well. It is causing chaos and what should have been a 45 minutes journey took 75 minutes. Luckily I travel before 5 when traffic is lighter but I’d hate to see the traffic after 5.
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 25, 2018 17:28:18 GMT
It really makes me angry when councils or TfL don’t coordinate roadworks. There are now three separate sets of roadworks along the 213 route, four if you include the Kingston works as well. It is causing chaos and what should have been a 45 minutes journey took 75 minutes. Luckily I travel before 5 when traffic is lighter but I’d hate to see the traffic after 5. What works are happening in Kingston this time? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 17:54:00 GMT
It really makes me angry when councils or TfL don’t coordinate roadworks. There are now three separate sets of roadworks along the 213 route, four if you include the Kingston works as well. It is causing chaos and what should have been a 45 minutes journey took 75 minutes. Luckily I travel before 5 when traffic is lighter but I’d hate to see the traffic after 5. What works are happening in Kingston this time? They still haven’t finished the junction by Fairfield so its causing major delays into Kingston. I’m up to 5 as well there is another set or roadworks right in the centre of Sutton as well. |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 25, 2018 18:25:21 GMT
It really makes me angry when councils or TfL don’t coordinate roadworks. There are now three separate sets of roadworks along the 213 route, four if you include the Kingston works as well. It is causing chaos and what should have been a 45 minutes journey took 75 minutes. Luckily I travel before 5 when traffic is lighter but I’d hate to see the traffic after 5. Not the first time, will certainly not be the last time Even more irritating is when one agency does it, then things are fine for 2-3 weeks, then someone else digs it up again. The roads in IoD are all a heap of patchwork at best. I remember that the last lick of asphalt was to cover up potholes prior to the marathon (potholes disappeared but the road is bloody rough - as I keep finding out thanks to driving lessons I am taking now) |
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Post by rugbyref on Sept 25, 2018 18:53:01 GMT
This post falls firmly in the rant category. When there is a bus or driver shortage, why is it acceptable to cut a bus on a 3bph route, when others from the garage are 4bph or greater? 5 potential passengers, mostly pensioners were left stranded at just 1 of the stops on the section of the R1 route where there is no alternative (Chelsfield) this morning.
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Post by sid on Sept 25, 2018 18:59:03 GMT
This post falls firmly in the rant category. When there is a bus or driver shortage, why is it acceptable to cut a bus on a 3bph route, when others from the garage are 4bph or greater? 5 potential passengers, mostly pensioners were left stranded at just 1 of the stops on the section of the R1 route where there is no alternative (Chelsfield) this morning. I wouldn't have been too pleased if I'd been waiting for it but it could be any number of reasons, bus breaking down, driver gone sick etc. |
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Post by John tuthill on Sept 25, 2018 19:01:59 GMT
It really makes me angry when councils or TfL don’t coordinate roadworks. There are now three separate sets of roadworks along the 213 route, four if you include the Kingston works as well. It is causing chaos and what should have been a 45 minutes journey took 75 minutes. Luckily I travel before 5 when traffic is lighter but I’d hate to see the traffic after 5. The same bl**dy "works" thats been going on for eons. Supposedly to make the 'lycra louts' safer  |
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, and that's despite the fact that they are built in Yorkshire! It's all Wright Eclipse Single deckers round here and Streetlites, as well as plenty Optare Solos and Tempos, and also Plaxton Centros, which I've never seen in the flesh before. I'm quite surprised Wright didn't offer the Eclipse single decker to the London market and offered the Cadet and Streetlite instead
