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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2018 20:03:07 GMT
What works are happening in Kingston this time? The same bl**dy "works" thats been going on for eons. Supposedly to make the 'lycra louts' safer  Wait until it's finished. I've nearly been run down twice by cyclists who can't read zebra crossing markings that actually extend into the cycle lane. I saw another one just swerve *into the pavement* to avoid stopping this morning. I've had enough - I'm writing to my local councillors about it. I actually look and check before I cross a cycle lane or alight from a bus. Most pedestrians don't look so it's an accident waiting to happen. |
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Post by danorak on Sept 25, 2018 20:32:48 GMT
The same bl**dy "works" thats been going on for eons. Supposedly to make the 'lycra louts' safer Wait until it's finished. I've nearly been run down twice by cyclists who can't read zebra crossing markings that actually extend into the cycle lane. I saw another one just swerve *into the pavement* to avoid stopping this morning. I've had enough - I'm writing to my local councillors about it. I actually look and check before I cross a cycle lane or alight from a bus. Most pedestrians don't look so it's an accident waiting to happen. The 'walking' bit of most cycling and walking strategies seems to be missing sadly. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 25, 2018 21:44:04 GMT
The same bl**dy "works" thats been going on for eons. Supposedly to make the 'lycra louts' safer Wait until it's finished. I've nearly been run down twice by cyclists who can't read zebra crossing markings that actually extend into the cycle lane. I saw another one just swerve *into the pavement* to avoid stopping this morning. I've had enough - I'm writing to my local councillors about it. I actually look and check before I cross a cycle lane or alight from a bus. Most pedestrians don't look so it's an accident waiting to happen. Your wasting your time, the cyclists would continue to ignore them regardless, many of them see it as not compulsory to stop or its for others to stop, but not them. Hence the cavalier attitude many of them apply to lights that have changed to red well before they approach it, or people crossing at zebra crossings, they do not care.
me personally I would look both ways and if I see a cyclist, moped etc I would wait regardless if I have right of way, I simply seen many times they have just gone, even cars. So its better to be safe than sorry and wait.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2018 21:58:58 GMT
Wait until it's finished. I've nearly been run down twice by cyclists who can't read zebra crossing markings that actually extend into the cycle lane. I saw another one just swerve *into the pavement* to avoid stopping this morning. I've had enough - I'm writing to my local councillors about it. I actually look and check before I cross a cycle lane or alight from a bus. Most pedestrians don't look so it's an accident waiting to happen. The 'walking' bit of most cycling and walking strategies seems to be missing sadly. It certainly is locally. The whole thing is a mess. The pavement in some places has been narrowed so much that people can't pass each other without stepping into the cycle lane. Even worse if there are kids or buggies or older people with shopping trolleys. I just can't work out how it's so badly designed. Other places the cycle lane goes behind a bus stop but the cyclists ignore it completely. The rest of the time the cycle lane is between the pavement and kerb side. I probably need to go back to the Netherlands again because I don't remember this sort of nonsense there. I've cycled in Amsterdam and on country (cycle) lanes in Holland without any real issue or conflict with anyone. Checking on Streetview I can see the key difference. Cycle lanes are physically distinct from pavements and often separated so the scope for conflict is much reduced. As ever we've botched it and caused a problem. |
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Post by sid on Sept 25, 2018 22:00:34 GMT
Wait until it's finished. I've nearly been run down twice by cyclists who can't read zebra crossing markings that actually extend into the cycle lane. I saw another one just swerve *into the pavement* to avoid stopping this morning. I've had enough - I'm writing to my local councillors about it. I actually look and check before I cross a cycle lane or alight from a bus. Most pedestrians don't look so it's an accident waiting to happen. Your wasting your time, the cyclists would continue to ignore them regardless, many of them see it as not compulsory to stop or its for others to stop, but not them. Hence the cavalier attitude many of them apply to lights that have changed to red well before they approach it, or people crossing at zebra crossings, they do not care.
me personally I would look both ways and if I see a cyclist, moped etc I would wait regardless if I have right of way, I simply seen many times they have just gone, even cars. So its better to be safe than sorry and wait.
I'm not suggesting all cyclists are perfect but there is far too much stigmatising here, in any cyclist/pedestrian collision both are likely to be injured. |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 25, 2018 23:37:58 GMT
Your wasting your time, the cyclists would continue to ignore them regardless, many of them see it as not compulsory to stop or its for others to stop, but not them. Hence the cavalier attitude many of them apply to lights that have changed to red well before they approach it, or people crossing at zebra crossings, they do not care.
me personally I would look both ways and if I see a cyclist, moped etc I would wait regardless if I have right of way, I simply seen many times they have just gone, even cars. So its better to be safe than sorry and wait.
I'm not suggesting all cyclists are perfect but there is far too much stigmatising here, in any cyclist/pedestrian collision both are likely to be injured. A cyclist had crashed into a friend of mine in Whitechapel (the cyclist was at speed, couldn’t stop and promptly cycled away). My friend was left with a broken leg (in two places), which took months to reset as expected I havnt seen too many cyclists getting injured when they hit people . Trouble is, there’s simply no way of tracking a cyclist down. One can trace a car but cyclist - please suggest a method. And I think the other reason why cyclists are being “stigmatised” is that there’s a perception that too much is being done to cater to their whims while neglecting other means of public transport. I have never seen a crowded cycle lane till date. In these times of austerity, wouldn’t that money have been better spent elsewhere? I get angry each time I use embankment eastbound and have to sit crawling in traffic watching absolutely empty cycle lanes |
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Post by sid on Sept 26, 2018 5:25:00 GMT
I'm not suggesting all cyclists are perfect but there is far too much stigmatising here, in any cyclist/pedestrian collision both are likely to be injured. A cyclist had crashed into a friend of mine in Whitechapel (the cyclist was at speed, couldn’t stop and promptly cycled away). My friend was left with a broken leg (in two places), which took months to reset as expected I havnt seen too many cyclists getting injured when they hit people . Trouble is, there’s simply no way of tracking a cyclist down. One can trace a car but cyclist - please suggest a method. And I think the other reason why cyclists are being “stigmatised” is that there’s a perception that too much is being done to cater to their whims while neglecting other means of public transport. I have never seen a crowded cycle lane till date. In these times of austerity, wouldn’t that money have been better spent elsewhere? I get angry each time I use embankment eastbound and have to sit crawling in traffic watching absolutely empty cycle lanes A cyclist was seriously injured in a hit and run in Hounslow involving a car. www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/female-cyclist-seriously-injured-after-hitandrun-in-hounslow-a3877646.htmlThe money being spent on cycle facilities follows decades of under investment, it just brings London up to the standards of many other capital cities. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Sept 26, 2018 6:21:20 GMT
^ Not if not executed properly (like the above example), and taking out whole lanes to make a path for like 5 cyclists just screams inefficiency
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Post by busman on Sept 26, 2018 14:42:47 GMT
I'm not suggesting all cyclists are perfect but there is far too much stigmatising here, in any cyclist/pedestrian collision both are likely to be injured. A cyclist had crashed into a friend of mine in Whitechapel (the cyclist was at speed, couldn’t stop and promptly cycled away). My friend was left with a broken leg (in two places), which took months to reset as expected I havnt seen too many cyclists getting injured when they hit people . Trouble is, there’s simply no way of tracking a cyclist down. One can trace a car but cyclist - please suggest a method. And I think the other reason why cyclists are being “stigmatised” is that there’s a perception that too much is being done to cater to their whims while neglecting other means of public transport. I have never seen a crowded cycle lane till date. In these times of austerity, wouldn’t that money have been better spent elsewhere? I get angry each time I use embankment eastbound and have to sit crawling in traffic watching absolutely empty cycle lanes Cyclists injuring pedestrians or going through red lights and crossings are a persistent nuisance for pedestrians as well as endangering their own lives. We need a way to help cyclists comply with road and pavement laws without making it difficult for new cyclists to get on the road. I don’t have any ideas on how that can be done, but it’s not right that at present cyclists can mow someone down, breaking their legs and cycling off without any reprisals. |
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Post by sid on Sept 26, 2018 15:22:28 GMT
A cyclist had crashed into a friend of mine in Whitechapel (the cyclist was at speed, couldn’t stop and promptly cycled away). My friend was left with a broken leg (in two places), which took months to reset as expected I havnt seen too many cyclists getting injured when they hit people . Trouble is, there’s simply no way of tracking a cyclist down. One can trace a car but cyclist - please suggest a method. And I think the other reason why cyclists are being “stigmatised” is that there’s a perception that too much is being done to cater to their whims while neglecting other means of public transport. I have never seen a crowded cycle lane till date. In these times of austerity, wouldn’t that money have been better spent elsewhere? I get angry each time I use embankment eastbound and have to sit crawling in traffic watching absolutely empty cycle lanes Cyclists injuring pedestrians or going through red lights and crossings are a persistent nuisance for pedestrians as well as endangering their own lives. We need a way to help cyclists comply with road and pavement laws without making it difficult for new cyclists to get on the road. I don’t have any ideas on how that can be done, but it’s not right that at present cyclists can mow someone down, breaking their legs and cycling off without any reprisals. The only answer is more police enforcement of traffic regulations, equally it's not right that a car driver seriously injures a cyclist and drives off, the case in Hounslow that I mentioned. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 26, 2018 16:35:55 GMT
A cyclist had crashed into a friend of mine in Whitechapel (the cyclist was at speed, couldn’t stop and promptly cycled away). My friend was left with a broken leg (in two places), which took months to reset as expected I havnt seen too many cyclists getting injured when they hit people . Trouble is, there’s simply no way of tracking a cyclist down. One can trace a car but cyclist - please suggest a method. And I think the other reason why cyclists are being “stigmatised” is that there’s a perception that too much is being done to cater to their whims while neglecting other means of public transport. I have never seen a crowded cycle lane till date. In these times of austerity, wouldn’t that money have been better spent elsewhere? I get angry each time I use embankment eastbound and have to sit crawling in traffic watching absolutely empty cycle lanes Cyclists injuring pedestrians or going through red lights and crossings are a persistent nuisance for pedestrians as well as endangering their own lives. We need a way to help cyclists comply with road and pavement laws without making it difficult for new cyclists to get on the road. I don’t have any ideas on how that can be done, but it’s not right that at present cyclists can mow someone down, breaking their legs and cycling off without any reprisals. Cyclists can be done for dangerous cycling or words to that effect as was the case where a cyclist hit a pedestrian and she sadly later died - the cyclist ended up with a jail sentence of 18 months after being charged with wanton & furious driving which the closest thing to dangerous driving a cyclist can get which is a law that dates from the 1800’s Really, the law needs to be changed because this sort of incident is only going to increase & 18 months is a paltry service for someone driving recklessly and ending someone’s life. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 27, 2018 0:18:21 GMT
Cyclists injuring pedestrians or going through red lights and crossings are a persistent nuisance for pedestrians as well as endangering their own lives. We need a way to help cyclists comply with road and pavement laws without making it difficult for new cyclists to get on the road. I don’t have any ideas on how that can be done, but it’s not right that at present cyclists can mow someone down, breaking their legs and cycling off without any reprisals. The only answer is more police enforcement of traffic regulations, equally it's not right that a car driver seriously injures a cyclist and drives off, the case in Hounslow that I mentioned. Hmmm, trying to change the subject eh. This is typical what all cyclists do, whenever anything is directed at them, they take a punt back at motorists to avoid the subject. Its like me going back to say the person who got mowed down by a cyclists crossing the road in Dalston, if the subject was talking about cars speeding or knocking people over. Fact is, many cyclists get into a lot of altercations and near misses with pedestrians. Asking for more police is like thinking I would win the euro millions on Friday, unlikely to happen. As I have said before, when a pedestrian never assume you have 100% right of way even when you do; because you never know what may happen next.
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Post by sid on Sept 27, 2018 5:03:32 GMT
The only answer is more police enforcement of traffic regulations, equally it's not right that a car driver seriously injures a cyclist and drives off, the case in Hounslow that I mentioned. Hmmm, trying to change the subject eh. This is typical what all cyclists do, whenever anything is directed at them, they take a punt back at motorists to avoid the subject. Its like me going back to say the person who got mowed down by a cyclists crossing the road in Dalston, if the subject was talking about cars speeding or knocking people over. Fact is, many cyclists get into a lot of altercations and near misses with pedestrians. Asking for more police is like thinking I would win the euro millions on Friday, unlikely to happen. As I have said before, when a pedestrian never assume you have 100% right of way even when you do; because you never know what may happen next.
Not changing the subject at all just putting things into perspective, there are good and bad cyclists just as there are good and bad drivers. It's in cyclists own interest to avoid collisions with pedestrians as they are likely to be injured and many such incidents are caused by people on phones wandering into the road having not seen or heard an approaching cyclist. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 27, 2018 6:00:39 GMT
I’m afraid the biggest issue is an awful lot of cyclists in my experience are rude, inconsiderate and selfish - and worse, they have been in recent years emboldened by high profile cycling campaigns and a general pro-cycling, anti everything else (including pedestrians) agenda from some high profile people.
For me, you start a good transport policy with what is the most popular mode of transport. Walking. We all have to walk (or use a wheelchair or similar) at some time. Then look at public transport. Then worry about everything else.
And try to do it without antagonising anyone else.
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 27, 2018 9:43:58 GMT
Contracters whatever you call them or do half the job right. Seems every few months the Water Mains on Chilslehurst Road in Sidcup seem to burst causing Water leaks in the road. I'm just wondering are the any other locations where the same roadworks happens in the same location more than once a year.
Passengers on the 269 have been asking what is going on at Bromley such as long waiting, had to explain a lady yesterday there are 1 Hour long delays on the route because of Sidcup.
Something must seriously be wrong for the same Water mains to burst every year and then having to put up temporary traffic lights on Chislehurst Road. For the last two days mayhem in Sidcup. The 269 is worst effected as the traffic reached as far as Bickley Station, yesterday it took me 3 hours to do a round trip on the 269. I got to Bexleyheath 23 minutes after the time I should have arrived at Bromley North to run the bus out of service.
The amount of turns I've seen on routes in the past 2 days has been awful. In some case no sign of any 229 or 286 at Queen Mary's Hospital at all people asking are these buses still running.
51 to Plumstead Common
160 to Chislehurst, War Memorial
160 to Eltham, Yorkshire Grey
160 to Hither Green
160 to Queen Mary's Hospital
162 to Avery Hill Road, Halfway Street
162 to Park Langley
229 to Sidcup Station
229 to Erith
269 to Albany Park, Foots Cray Lane
269 to Bexley
269 to Chislehurst, War Memorial
269 to Sidcup Station
286 to East Greenwich
286 to Sidcup Station
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