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Post by Nathan on Oct 26, 2018 20:02:39 GMT
A couple of interesting observations just seen now:
- So've just seen WVH193 on route 188 blinded for Waterloo, Old Vic Theatre. I happened to be following the route a route 1 bus and was surprised to see the 188 continue on to Tenison Way to terminate there. Are the blinds incorrect, or did the driver make an error?
- The bus I was on was waiting at the traffic lights on Tenison Way, which is pretty much were the bus stop is too. About 4 people ran to the bus to try and get on. The driver didn't let them on, and told them there's another bus right behind. In all fairness, there was another route 1 bus that had just arrived. But in the time he spent telling them this and waiting for the lights to turn green, he could have let them on. Is there really any excuse for this lazy behaviour?
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Post by mondraker275 on Oct 27, 2018 8:46:56 GMT
Clearly TfL having given up hope on themselves now: I mean, what do you say to this? 😂 To coin a certain Geordie colloquial phrase - "Hadaway and Sh*te"   In other words (TfL, not you Nathan) Go Away! It is grossly embarrassing on so many fronts - lack of knowledge, lack of checking / proof reading (for the 9,000th time) and a waste of scarce public funds on a useless advert. How that ever got as far as being placed in a local newspaper I will never know. It should never have got off the originator's desk. It is also worth considering that the route may actually be the 397 and not the 20 in terms of "Walthamstow to Debden". Good shout with the 397. The 20 has definitely not been running like clockwork from what I have seen, especially with roadworks recently around Whipps Cross - Woodford Green Road and obviously Armageddon works in Walthamstow Central. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2018 10:34:27 GMT
A very worrying development with Lothian Buses. How long before this spreads beyond one operator? Note I've no issue with the driver's cab issue and I'd never ask for blinds to be changed but using the GDPR regulations to ban shots of bus interiors is an incorrect use of the legislation. The bus has no right to privacy. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2018 10:41:22 GMT
Good shout with the 397. The 20 has definitely not been running like clockwork from what I have seen, especially with roadworks recently around Whipps Cross - Woodford Green Road and obviously Armageddon works in Walthamstow Central. I've had to use the 20 recently and have more trips in the near future. Looking at LVF does not paint a pretty picture at times but the bus I went for did run broadly to time which was good. My return ride was on a 397 and it was pretty much spot on time but only because of some spirited driving. |
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 27, 2018 10:46:36 GMT
A very worrying development with Lothian Buses. How long before this spreads beyond one operator? Note I've no issue with the driver's cab issue and I'd never ask for blinds to be changed but using the GDPR regulations to ban shots of bus interiors is an incorrect use of the legislation. The bus has no right to privacy. I can certainly understand where they are coming from a security point of view if some random stranger is taking pictures or filming the interior of the bus. I don’t see how GDPR applies unless the faces of the driver and passengers are shown. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2018 11:08:17 GMT
I can certainly understand where they are coming from a security point of view if some random stranger is taking pictures or filming the interior of the bus. I don’t see how GDPR applies unless the faces of the driver and passengers are shown. I don't agree because the notice does not mention people being photographed. It talks about "detailed interior shots of the bus" taken at "terminals". What is wrong with snapping the interior of a bus? If I take a record shot of the seats / interior it is when the bus is empty. It doesn't tell you anything that a terrorist could not glean from simply taking a ride on the bus and taking a quick smartphone snap, writing down some notes or using a small hidden camera. It is also worth noting that most bus operators take thousands of hours of CCTV coverage without any seeking any consent from passengers at all. I usually ask the driver if I can take an interior snap if the bus is at a terminal point - I did for a shot of an old PDL on the 305 just before the route was withdrawn. I can think of possibly 2 or 3 photos I've taken of a bus interior where the backs of people's heads are in view. One was purely to capture the seats on DLA156 and two others were more for the forward facing view of the traffic from the upper deck. I think all were on the 123. I don't consider that anyone's privacy was invaded from those shots. I think the real reason behind all of this is to avoid "embarrassing" images ending up on social media and the operator doesn't want that. I find it astonishing that a high quality company like Lothian Buses feels it is necessary to take a step like this. It just makes me wonder what they have to hide? It also instantly makes me feel worse about them as a company so that's a double blow to their reputation so far as I am concerned. What next? A ban on taking photos of the outside of their buses? A ban on snapping the outside of their garages from a public place? |
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Post by Pilot on Oct 27, 2018 19:16:15 GMT
Not sure if this counts as rant...
In the video yeah it's kind of clear that driver went through red, penalty is probably deserved but it sucks for the driver, like if this biker didn't push the issue with the whole court and what not, not much would have happened...but it could be a lesson learned for the driver as well...problem is that it is a daily thing, A LOT of drivers in congested areas go through the amber/red light (in most cases not really as obvious as the video, but still through amber/red)...which is sort of bad habit I suppose but If I was to setup a camera on specific location I know, half of the drivers that pass would get their 3 points and you could have new 500 driver jobs within a month. Looking at the guys profile he seems to be crying about everything that's in his way though.
Also, anyone bus spotting today (Saturday) at Lewisham? Saw few people taking photos just wondering if I could get one of myself LOL.
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Post by busaholic on Oct 27, 2018 20:49:01 GMT
Not sure if this counts as rant... Also, anyone bus spotting today (Saturday) at Lewisham? Saw few people taking photos just wondering if I could get one of myself LOL. I read somewhere that some people are now training a camera on themselves and calling it a 'selfie', but I doubt it'll catch on.  |
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Post by rambo on Oct 27, 2018 21:58:59 GMT
A very worrying development with Lothian Buses. How long before this spreads beyond one operator? Note I've no issue with the driver's cab issue and I'd never ask for blinds to be changed but using the GDPR regulations to ban shots of bus interiors is an incorrect use of the legislation. The bus has no right to privacy. What utter cobblers and a complete waste of time, and legally un enforceable. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 27, 2018 22:25:21 GMT
It is interesting though that they are looking forward to working with Transport for Greater Manchester and Transport for West Midlands, who are seeking to impose more control over their local bus networks. Maybe Rotala prefers the more collaborative "working together" approach of TfGM and TfWM and is not interested in the highly proscriptive (some might say, dictatorial) approach taken by Transport for London. Furthermore, Rotala may like to know they have some commercial freedom alongside having tenders in their current areas. They would have few such freedoms in London. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2018 23:18:38 GMT
It is interesting though that they are looking forward to working with Transport for Greater Manchester and Transport for West Midlands, who are seeking to impose more control over their local bus networks. Maybe Rotala prefers the more collaborative "working together" approach of TfGM and TfWM and is not interested in the highly proscriptive (some might say, dictatorial) approach taken by Transport for London. Furthermore, Rotala may like to know they have some commercial freedom alongside having tenders in their current areas. They would have few such freedoms in London. An uncharitable view is that they would struggle to perform to the standards required by TfL. They've not exactly had a stellar start on their Surrey CC stuff and I've yet to hear any very supportive comments about their operations elsewhere in the UK. You may have a different view if you live in an area where you use their services. Bizarrely the Rotala corporate website does not even acknowledge the existence of Hallmark's bus services in Surrey. I had to go to the Surrey CC website to find a link to the relevant Hallmark Buses website rather than one about coach hire / contract work. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence if the corporate centre doesn't want to highlight part of their operation. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 27, 2018 23:26:13 GMT
Furthermore, Rotala may like to know they have some commercial freedom alongside having tenders in their current areas. They would have few such freedoms in London. An uncharitable view is that they would struggle to perform to the standards required by TfL. They've not exactly had a stellar start on their Surrey CC stuff and I've yet to hear any very supportive comments about their operations elsewhere in the UK. You may have a different view if you live in an area where you use their services. Bizarrely the Rotala corporate website does not even acknowledge the existence of Hallmark's bus services in Surrey. I had to go to the Surrey CC website to find a link to the relevant Hallmark Buses website rather than one about coach hire / contract work. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence if the corporate centre doesn't want to highlight part of their operation. I do have some Diamond North West services near me. I have used them twice in effectively the last year. On both occasions a tendered journey was cancelled. On the first occasion the bus when it did run was delayed by over 20 minutes en route. It was a Mon-Fri peak hour route that, had the normal timetable gone according to plan, I could have concluded the first afternoon journey by daylight in January. It was just as well I used the service last October instead. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 28, 2018 2:13:59 GMT
Not sure if this counts as rant... In the video yeah it's kind of clear that driver went through red, penalty is probably deserved but it sucks for the driver, like if this biker didn't push the issue with the whole court and what not, not much would have happened...but it could be a lesson learned for the driver as well...problem is that it is a daily thing, A LOT of drivers in congested areas go through the amber/red light (in most cases not really as obvious as the video, but still through amber/red)...which is sort of bad habit I suppose but If I was to setup a camera on specific location I know, half of the drivers that pass would get their 3 points and you could have new 500 driver jobs within a month. Looking at the guys profile he seems to be crying about everything that's in his way though. Also, anyone bus spotting today (Saturday) at Lewisham? Saw few people taking photos just wondering if I could get one of myself LOL. He is the type of person that gives cyclists their bad name - I mean I see many running through red lights almost daily and it wouldn't surprise me if he did the same as well. Not condoning the bus driver passing a red light but a cyclist should be the last person pointing that out  |
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Post by rhys on Oct 28, 2018 2:36:13 GMT
Not sure if this counts as rant... In the video yeah it's kind of clear that driver went through red, penalty is probably deserved but it sucks for the driver, like if this biker didn't push the issue with the whole court and what not, not much would have happened...but it could be a lesson learned for the driver as well...problem is that it is a daily thing, A LOT of drivers in congested areas go through the amber/red light (in most cases not really as obvious as the video, but still through amber/red)...which is sort of bad habit I suppose but If I was to setup a camera on specific location I know, half of the drivers that pass would get their 3 points and you could have new 500 driver jobs within a month. Looking at the guys profile he seems to be crying about everything that's in his way though. Also, anyone bus spotting today (Saturday) at Lewisham? Saw few people taking photos just wondering if I could get one of myself LOL. Something like this happened when I was on Abellio 2606, in Tulse Hill (on the northbound Norwood Road bus lane on the gyratory) a couple of months ago, on the N68. The driver sped up as the lights went amber, and then got flashed. There was another Abellio worker, who was standing by the driver, who then grilled him and stated that the flash wasn't for speeding, but because he went through a red light. I think for me it was of a surprise to see a bus get flashed. Then again, just like cars, buses do have follow the rules. |
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Post by sid on Oct 28, 2018 5:49:50 GMT
Not sure if this counts as rant... In the video yeah it's kind of clear that driver went through red, penalty is probably deserved but it sucks for the driver, like if this biker didn't push the issue with the whole court and what not, not much would have happened...but it could be a lesson learned for the driver as well...problem is that it is a daily thing, A LOT of drivers in congested areas go through the amber/red light (in most cases not really as obvious as the video, but still through amber/red)...which is sort of bad habit I suppose but If I was to setup a camera on specific location I know, half of the drivers that pass would get their 3 points and you could have new 500 driver jobs within a month. Looking at the guys profile he seems to be crying about everything that's in his way though. Also, anyone bus spotting today (Saturday) at Lewisham? Saw few people taking photos just wondering if I could get one of myself LOL. Something like this happened when I was on Abellio 2606, in Tulse Hill (on the northbound Norwood Road bus lane on the gyratory) a couple of months ago, on the N68. The driver sped up as the lights went amber, and then got flashed. There was another Abellio worker, who was standing by the driver, who then grilled him and stated that the flash wasn't for speeding, but because he went through a red light. I think for me it was of a surprise to see a bus get flashed. Then again, just like cars, buses do have follow the rules. I was on an Abellio bus on the 172 a few years ago that got flashed for going through pedestrian lights at New Cross on red, a passenger told the driver he'd been flashed but he didn't seem in the least bit bothered about it. I wonder if it was the same driver? |
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