|
|
Post by sid on Oct 28, 2018 6:04:24 GMT
A very worrying development with Lothian Buses. How long before this spreads beyond one operator? Note I've no issue with the driver's cab issue and I'd never ask for blinds to be changed but using the GDPR regulations to ban shots of bus interiors is an incorrect use of the legislation. The bus has no right to privacy. It doesn't seem unreasonable, I suppose and operator can ban interior photography, which might seem odd to any other passengers on board, even if nothing can be done to actually prevent it. |
|
|
|
Post by Green Kitten on Oct 28, 2018 8:17:42 GMT
Not sure if this counts as rant... In the video yeah it's kind of clear that driver went through red, penalty is probably deserved but it sucks for the driver, like if this biker didn't push the issue with the whole court and what not, not much would have happened...but it could be a lesson learned for the driver as well...problem is that it is a daily thing, A LOT of drivers in congested areas go through the amber/red light (in most cases not really as obvious as the video, but still through amber/red)...which is sort of bad habit I suppose but If I was to setup a camera on specific location I know, half of the drivers that pass would get their 3 points and you could have new 500 driver jobs within a month. Looking at the guys profile he seems to be crying about everything that's in his way though. Also, anyone bus spotting today (Saturday) at Lewisham? Saw few people taking photos just wondering if I could get one of myself LOL. He is the type of person that gives cyclists their bad name - I mean I see many running through red lights almost daily and it wouldn't surprise me if he did the same as well. Not condoning the bus driver passing a red light but a cyclist should be the last person pointing that out  These goody-two-shoes cyclists are the Randall Weems’ of the road.  How about you report the tons of cyclists who run through red lights. Which I see EVERY DAY.   |
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Oct 28, 2018 12:26:18 GMT
A very worrying development with Lothian Buses. How long before this spreads beyond one operator? Note I've no issue with the driver's cab issue and I'd never ask for blinds to be changed but using the GDPR regulations to ban shots of bus interiors is an incorrect use of the legislation. The bus has no right to privacy. It doesn't seem unreasonable, I suppose and operator can ban interior photography, which might seem odd to any other passengers on board, even if nothing can be done to actually prevent it. It's extremely unreasonable - if Lothian don't want there interior to be snapped, don't run a public service in the first place. The only understandable part is not snapping the cab as this could potentially show a drivers information not to mention the risks with having someone in the cab who isn't the driver - the rest is extremely draconian. |
|
|
|
Post by redbus on Oct 28, 2018 12:41:14 GMT
It doesn't seem unreasonable, I suppose and operator can ban interior photography, which might seem odd to any other passengers on board, even if nothing can be done to actually prevent it. It's extremely unreasonable - if Lothian don't want there interior to be snapped, don't run a public service in the first place. The only understandable part is not snapping the cab as this could potentially show a drivers information not to mention the risks with having someone in the cab who isn't the driver - the rest is extremely draconian. Not only do I think it is completely unreasonable and probably unenforceable, but it just puts more pressure on the poor driver who is expected to undertake any enforcement. |
|
|
|
Post by redbus on Oct 28, 2018 12:43:45 GMT
Not sure if this counts as rant... In the video yeah it's kind of clear that driver went through red, penalty is probably deserved but it sucks for the driver, like if this biker didn't push the issue with the whole court and what not, not much would have happened...but it could be a lesson learned for the driver as well...problem is that it is a daily thing, A LOT of drivers in congested areas go through the amber/red light (in most cases not really as obvious as the video, but still through amber/red)...which is sort of bad habit I suppose but If I was to setup a camera on specific location I know, half of the drivers that pass would get their 3 points and you could have new 500 driver jobs within a month. Looking at the guys profile he seems to be crying about everything that's in his way though. Also, anyone bus spotting today (Saturday) at Lewisham? Saw few people taking photos just wondering if I could get one of myself LOL. We all have to abide by the rules of the road and the highway code, so I am sure that the person taking the video always fully abides by those rules including always stopping at red lights.
|
|
|
|
Post by sid on Oct 28, 2018 13:22:01 GMT
It doesn't seem unreasonable, I suppose and operator can ban interior photography, which might seem odd to any other passengers on board, even if nothing can be done to actually prevent it. It's extremely unreasonable - if Lothian don't want there interior to be snapped, don't run a public service in the first place. The only understandable part is not snapping the cab as this could potentially show a drivers information not to mention the risks with having someone in the cab who isn't the driver - the rest is extremely draconian.
If you went into a shop pub or restaurant and started photographing the interior somebody might well take exception and I think it's not unreasonable for bus operators to do likewise.
I suspect the issue is a small minority of non passenger enthusiasts making themselves a nuisance at termini and wanting the driver to let them on to photograph the interior, sit in the cab and change destination displays etc.
I think Lothian are quite enthusiast friendly? |
|
|
|
Post by snoggle on Oct 28, 2018 16:36:38 GMT
It's extremely unreasonable - if Lothian don't want there interior to be snapped, don't run a public service in the first place. The only understandable part is not snapping the cab as this could potentially show a drivers information not to mention the risks with having someone in the cab who isn't the driver - the rest is extremely draconian.
If you went into a shop pub or restaurant and started photographing the interior somebody might well take exception and I think it's not unreasonable for bus operators to do likewise.
I suspect the issue is a small minority of non passenger enthusiasts making themselves a nuisance at termini and wanting the driver to let them on to photograph the interior, sit in the cab and change destination displays etc.
I think Lothian are quite enthusiast friendly? Well someone *might* take exception but I see hundreds of photos on social media from the insides of pubs, shops and restaurants showing food, drink, products on sale and the building interiors. All taken with smartphones of course. I assume no one is bothered about this or else it would have stopped a long time ago. The factor, yet again, is that smartphones are so prevalent no one bats an eyelid but the police would be called if a "proper" camera was used. More hyprocrisy and inconsistency. I do think Lothian have got the legal position here completely wrong. GDPR regs have NOTHING to do with what happens inside a bus at a bus terminal. There has been repeated comment on social media that Lothian have got themselves in a legal pickle here and have been ill advised. I can, to some extent, understand the issues about blind displays and cab access but it seems like a load of overkill from Lothian Buses for no great purpose other than to damage their reputation. |
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Oct 28, 2018 16:59:47 GMT
It's extremely unreasonable - if Lothian don't want there interior to be snapped, don't run a public service in the first place. The only understandable part is not snapping the cab as this could potentially show a drivers information not to mention the risks with having someone in the cab who isn't the driver - the rest is extremely draconian.
If you went into a shop pub or restaurant and started photographing the interior somebody might well take exception and I think it's not unreasonable for bus operators to do likewise.
I suspect the issue is a small minority of non passenger enthusiasts making themselves a nuisance at termini and wanting the driver to let them on to photograph the interior, sit in the cab and change destination displays etc.
I think Lothian are quite enthusiast friendly? Plenty of people take photos in shops, pubs & restaurants nowadays - it’s happened in our shop and it’s really not a big deal at all. I agree with you that no doubt an enthusiast(s) has done something to trigger this but it’s a massive overreaction from Lothian personally - I can understand the cab part but the rest seems very draconian and it seems Lothian are no longer enthusiast friendly. |
|
|
|
Post by sid on Oct 28, 2018 18:43:31 GMT
If you went into a shop pub or restaurant and started photographing the interior somebody might well take exception and I think it's not unreasonable for bus operators to do likewise.
I suspect the issue is a small minority of non passenger enthusiasts making themselves a nuisance at termini and wanting the driver to let them on to photograph the interior, sit in the cab and change destination displays etc.
I think Lothian are quite enthusiast friendly? Well someone *might* take exception but I see hundreds of photos on social media from the insides of pubs, shops and restaurants showing food, drink, products on sale and the building interiors. All taken with smartphones of course. I assume no one is bothered about this or else it would have stopped a long time ago. The factor, yet again, is that smartphones are so prevalent no one bats an eyelid but the police would be called if a "proper" camera was used. More hyprocrisy and inconsistency. I do think Lothian have got the legal position here completely wrong. GDPR regs have NOTHING to do with what happens inside a bus at a bus terminal. There has been repeated comment on social media that Lothian have got themselves in a legal pickle here and have been ill advised. I can, to some extent, understand the issues about blind displays and cab access but it seems like a load of overkill from Lothian Buses for no great purpose other than to damage their reputation. Taking photos of family or friends is unlikely to attract attention but somebody snapping for no obvious reason may well cause some consternation, there is no law against it on the street but in a pub or on a bus is slightly different. Personally if I wanted to photograph a bus interior I'd do so when it was empty. |
|
|
|
Post by busaholic on Oct 28, 2018 19:00:23 GMT
A 20 minute frequency for the 47 (a City Route for that matter) on Sunday’s just isn’t acceptable at all. A real shame. It's diabolical, especially as the alternative rail options, in so far as they exist, are often disrupted on Sundays, but the various never-ending works at the City/London Bridge have contributed to a mass loss of passengers. Heidi Alexander may remember having had representations on this in her previous life; on the other hand, amnesia may have struck as it appears to have done with Sadiq Khan.  |
|
|
|
Post by sid on Oct 28, 2018 19:16:57 GMT
A 20 minute frequency for the 47 (a City Route for that matter) on Sunday’s just isn’t acceptable at all. A real shame. It's diabolical, especially as the alternative rail options, in so far as they exist, are often disrupted on Sundays, but the various never-ending works at the City/London Bridge have contributed to a mass loss of passengers. Heidi Alexander may remember having had representations on this in her previous life; on the other hand, amnesia may have struck as it appears to have done with Sadiq Khan. Whilst I think the 47 deserves better on a Sunday there is no getting away from the fact is a pale shadow of the route it once was, clearly the improved ELL services have stolen a lot of its custom. |
|
|
|
Post by gloriouswater on Oct 28, 2018 23:09:50 GMT
It's diabolical, especially as the alternative rail options, in so far as they exist, are often disrupted on Sundays, but the various never-ending works at the City/London Bridge have contributed to a mass loss of passengers. Heidi Alexander may remember having had representations on this in her previous life; on the other hand, amnesia may have struck as it appears to have done with Sadiq Khan. Whilst I think the 47 deserves better on a Sunday there is no getting away from the fact is a pale shadow of the route it once was, clearly the improved ELL services have stolen a lot of its custom. The ELL only really serves two places on the route - Shoreditch and the area around Canada Water/Surrey Quays. It's not very busy around Shoreditch, obviously, as buses don't tend to get packed at terminals, so I can see where you're coming from. That said, the route's Sunday ridership is certainly healthy - buses are rammed and the service has a tendency to collapse under the weight of all the passengers trying to use it! Certainly a different story to what happens during the rest of the week when seemingly everyone has abandoned the route...  |
|
|
|
Post by Green Kitten on Oct 29, 2018 5:43:02 GMT
It's diabolical, especially as the alternative rail options, in so far as they exist, are often disrupted on Sundays, but the various never-ending works at the City/London Bridge have contributed to a mass loss of passengers. Heidi Alexander may remember having had representations on this in her previous life; on the other hand, amnesia may have struck as it appears to have done with Sadiq Khan. Whilst I think the 47 deserves better on a Sunday there is no getting away from the fact is a pale shadow of the route it once was, clearly the improved ELL services have stolen a lot of its custom. It wasn’t helped by all the constant road works in Tooley Street. It’s like people seemed to give up on the route. Weird for a route serving the city to be every 12 minutes. |
|
|
|
Post by Pilot on Oct 29, 2018 16:23:11 GMT
Is it still a thing that only experienced drivers get the 47 route or anyone can drive it now?
|
|
|
|
Post by ServerKing on Oct 29, 2018 17:24:30 GMT
Well someone *might* take exception but I see hundreds of photos on social media from the insides of pubs, shops and restaurants showing food, drink, products on sale and the building interiors. All taken with smartphones of course. I assume no one is bothered about this or else it would have stopped a long time ago. The factor, yet again, is that smartphones are so prevalent no one bats an eyelid but the police would be called if a "proper" camera was used. More hyprocrisy and inconsistency. I do think Lothian have got the legal position here completely wrong. GDPR regs have NOTHING to do with what happens inside a bus at a bus terminal. There has been repeated comment on social media that Lothian have got themselves in a legal pickle here and have been ill advised. I can, to some extent, understand the issues about blind displays and cab access but it seems like a load of overkill from Lothian Buses for no great purpose other than to damage their reputation. Taking photos of family or friends is unlikely to attract attention but somebody snapping for no obvious reason may well cause some consternation, there is no law against it on the street but in a pub or on a bus is slightly different. Personally if I wanted to photograph a bus interior I'd do so when it was empty. The schoolkids who trashed the top deck of this 41 bus on Ducketts Common  didn't like me filming them   |
|
