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Aug 23, 2022 12:27:44 GMT
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Post by WH241 on Aug 23, 2022 12:27:44 GMT
I totally agree with you, as TFL in the past have gone ahead with proposals that people have been strongly opposed but I hope not. The 24/88/205/214 changes are in a real mess, current 205 users would have to change onto 3 bus routes if there to reach Paddington, this will just push them onto the Circle / H&C line. Exactly what TfL want us to do, pay more and use the tube. This could all change with the cost of living crisis and inflation hitting 18% next year. Some people simply won’t be able to afford trains.
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Post by YX10FFN on Aug 23, 2022 12:46:04 GMT
Exactly what TfL want us to do, pay more and use the tube. This could all change with the cost of living crisis and inflation hitting 18% next year. Some people simply won’t be able to afford trains. This is why the idea that you can take away bus links and passengers can simply hop on the tube is rather out of touch.
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Aug 23, 2022 12:59:22 GMT
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Post by COBO on Aug 23, 2022 12:59:22 GMT
sadly i think it will happen, these things always seem to go ahead when proposed. It might not happen that’s why he said if.
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Post by snowman on Aug 23, 2022 13:07:25 GMT
Have heard the HCT group will cease operating in Bristol on Friday
Rather suggests the whole group is collapsing having shut down the Yorkshire operation recently
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Aug 23, 2022 13:10:01 GMT
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 23, 2022 13:10:01 GMT
This could all change with the cost of living crisis and inflation hitting 18% next year. Some people simply won’t be able to afford trains. This is why the idea that you can take away bus links and passengers can simply hop on the tube is rather out of touch. People adjust and there are cost effective ways to get better deals on travel. When I commuted into central I used to buy a years travel card through Commuter Club which broke the payments into 10 instalments.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 23, 2022 13:24:30 GMT
Exactly what TfL want us to do, pay more and use the tube. But that's what has been happening anyway - as tube and rail services have improved, more people have been willing to pay the higher fares for a better service. The proposed bus service reductions are a reflection of that trend, not a driver. There are a lot of people who cannot use the tube and even worrying, there are a lot of people have a phobia about going Underground, it is as bad as people who have a fear of flying.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 23, 2022 13:26:34 GMT
I remember when Bywaters was there, I was surprised when they moved out. Before there was a truck rental firm, think it was BRS or Ryder. Kentish Bus had also been based there for around 5 years, until they moved into the closed [AG]. In 2012 Stagecoach tried to buy First London, but First wanted too much and in the end Stagecoach pulled out and it was eventually sold a year later to the Australian Tower Transit. Wasn't the Stagecoach deal related to NP, LI and DM? Seem to remember hearing all got put out for sale at the time and GoAhead offered a good price for NP on the spot hence the advanced sale whilst the others were delayed til the year after Yes that is correct, although I am sure when I was at [LI] we were told it would have been Centrewest, then they backtracked to the Eastern half garages, [NP] was sold so then it was just [LI] and [DM]
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 23, 2022 13:43:23 GMT
Have heard the HCT group will cease operating in Bristol on Friday Rather suggests the whole group is collapsing having shut down the Yorkshire operation recently And the last bit of their operations in the Channel Islands is rumoured to be being taken over by Tower Transit!
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 23, 2022 13:45:28 GMT
This could all change with the cost of living crisis and inflation hitting 18% next year. Some people simply won’t be able to afford trains. This is why the idea that you can take away bus links and passengers can simply hop on the tube is rather out of touch. You should consider that you are lucky to have the option of a tube. In other parts of the country bus services are disappearing and there is no alternative.
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Aug 23, 2022 13:56:57 GMT
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Post by dragonman on Aug 23, 2022 13:56:57 GMT
sadly i think it will happen, these things always seem to go ahead when proposed. It might not happen that’s why he said if. YES, I KNOW that's why he said IF, with al due respect I'm not stupid! And that's why I was saying that i think it probably will happen despite the fact that it's not currently guaranteed. I hope that makes sense to you now.
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Aug 23, 2022 13:57:16 GMT
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Post by WH241 on Aug 23, 2022 13:57:16 GMT
Have heard the HCT group will cease operating in Bristol on Friday Rather suggests the whole group is collapsing having shut down the Yorkshire operation recently And the last bit of their operations in the Channel Islands is rumoured to be being taken over by Tower Transit! Its a shame Tower Transit sold up in the east of London as the HCT garages would have been an opportunity for them to expand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2022 14:13:28 GMT
Have heard the HCT group will cease operating in Bristol on Friday Rather suggests the whole group is collapsing having shut down the Yorkshire operation recently And the last bit of their operations in the Channel Islands is rumoured to be being taken over by Tower Transit! As in Kelsian Group ? RATP Dev would have probably also been interested in these operations.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 23, 2022 14:22:39 GMT
And the last bit of their operations in the Channel Islands is rumoured to be being taken over by Tower Transit! As in Kelsian Group ? RATP Dev would have probably also been interested in these operations. I just saw Tower Transit quoted and took it to be Kelsian
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 23, 2022 15:30:32 GMT
Given how short notice any formal announcement of the Stagecoach takeover will be, I think it's very unlikely there will be any major changes to the operations for now. My prediction would be for all of the current routes/vehicles to transfer along with both AW and HK, at least in the short term. If Stagecoach do choose to use their own garage capacity at LI/WH/etc, I think this would more likely happen at a later date, more of a transitional takeover.
Similarly in Bristol, I could see First take over all HCT operations there in the short term, but eventually absorb into their own network and fleet.
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Aug 23, 2022 16:02:36 GMT
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 23, 2022 16:02:36 GMT
Given how short notice any formal announcement of the Stagecoach takeover will be, I think it's very unlikely there will be any major changes to the operations for now. My prediction would be for all of the current routes/vehicles to transfer along with both AW and HK, at least in the short term. If Stagecoach do choose to use their own garage capacity at LI/WH/etc, I think this would more likely happen at a later date, more of a transitional takeover. Similarly in Bristol, I could see First take over all HCT operations there in the short term, but eventually absorb into their own network and fleet. Even under normal circumstances it would be weeks and weeks of discussions with unions. A worse case scenario, if HCT goes bust and their intention is to sell to Stagecoach anyway, is a short term business loan from Stagecoach to HCT as an investment to be levied against the value of the business. A £1m or 2 whilst discussions continue.
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