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HCT Group
Aug 23, 2022 16:58:58 GMT
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Post by WH241 on Aug 23, 2022 16:58:58 GMT
Apart from school routes and the 397 and W5 pretty much all HCT routes will have been up for tender by 2024!
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Aug 23, 2022 17:00:56 GMT
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Post by TB123 on Aug 23, 2022 17:00:56 GMT
Apart from school routes and the 397 and W5 pretty much all HCT routes will have been up for tender by 2024! W16 too
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Post by vjaska on Aug 23, 2022 22:55:24 GMT
Given how short notice any formal announcement of the Stagecoach takeover will be, I think it's very unlikely there will be any major changes to the operations for now. My prediction would be for all of the current routes/vehicles to transfer along with both AW and HK, at least in the short term. If Stagecoach do choose to use their own garage capacity at LI/WH/etc, I think this would more likely happen at a later date, more of a transitional takeover. Similarly in Bristol, I could see First take over all HCT operations there in the short term, but eventually absorb into their own network and fleet. Why was anyone expecting changes? Have a look at the takeover of LI - nothing has changed and that wasn't something was close to or collapsing. Most times, changes are not made until further down the line - see RATP's takeover of Quality Line which remained a stand alone business for a while before being merged into RATP fully. Speculation just for the sake of speculation I imagine.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 24, 2022 8:26:00 GMT
HCT subsidiary Bristol Community Transport has confirmed that its community bus services in Bristol - dial-a-ride and minibus hire - will cease after this Friday, 26th August (same date that the 812 in Islington finishes). There is no news yet of what will happen to their ordinary bus services, including the m1 metrobus service which is advertised as a First route but operation is sub-contracted to Bristol Community Transport.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 24, 2022 9:40:49 GMT
HCT subsidiary Bristol Community Transport has confirmed that its community bus services in Bristol - dial-a-ride and minibus hire - will cease after this Friday, 26th August (same date that the 812 in Islington finishes). There is no news yet of what will happen to their ordinary bus services, including the m1 metrobus service which is advertised as a First route but operation is sub-contracted to Bristol Community Transport. The M1 is is expected to be taken over by First. www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2022-08-23/bristol-bus-firm-to-stop-trading-amid-cost-of-living-crisis
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 24, 2022 11:34:23 GMT
Given how short notice any formal announcement of the Stagecoach takeover will be, I think it's very unlikely there will be any major changes to the operations for now. My prediction would be for all of the current routes/vehicles to transfer along with both AW and HK, at least in the short term. If Stagecoach do choose to use their own garage capacity at LI/WH/etc, I think this would more likely happen at a later date, more of a transitional takeover. Similarly in Bristol, I could see First take over all HCT operations there in the short term, but eventually absorb into their own network and fleet. Why was anyone expecting changes? Have a look at the takeover of LI - nothing has changed and that wasn't something was close to or collapsing. Most times, changes are not made until further down the line - see RATP's takeover of Quality Line which remained a stand alone business for a while before being merged into RATP fully. Speculation just for the sake of speculation I imagine. There were many suggestions that, due to Stagecoach's excess capacity available at WH/LI, they could just take over HCT's routes without the garages. In my opinion, AW and HK should be kept in any case, as they would allow Stagecoach to expand into other areas that wouldn't be viable from their current garages. If anything eventually has to go to cut costs, one of Stagecoach's existing smaller garages might be a better option, such as T or BW.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 24, 2022 13:35:32 GMT
Why was anyone expecting changes? Have a look at the takeover of LI - nothing has changed and that wasn't something was close to or collapsing. Most times, changes are not made until further down the line - see RATP's takeover of Quality Line which remained a stand alone business for a while before being merged into RATP fully. Speculation just for the sake of speculation I imagine. There were many suggestions that, due to Stagecoach's excess capacity available at WH/LI, they could just take over HCT's routes without the garages. In my opinion, AW and HK should be kept in any case, as they would allow Stagecoach to expand into other areas that wouldn't be viable from their current garages. If anything eventually has to go to cut costs, one of Stagecoach's existing smaller garages might be a better option, such as T or BW. I beg to differ. As the garages are so close to Stagecoach or the existing Tower Transit garage there is no real benefit in keeping them open. [AW] is very close to [T], the same way how [HK] is close to [LI] and [BW]
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 24, 2022 14:25:51 GMT
HCT subsidiary Bristol Community Transport has confirmed that its community bus services in Bristol - dial-a-ride and minibus hire - will cease after this Friday, 26th August (same date that the 812 in Islington finishes). There is no news yet of what will happen to their ordinary bus services, including the m1 metrobus service which is advertised as a First route but operation is sub-contracted to Bristol Community Transport. This new article was posted last night, it looks like First will take responsibility for the m1 and ensure continuity. Talks are taking place with other operators to take over the other local bus routes that BCT operates directly. There is also some limited interest in the other community bus operations. It has been suggested that WECA (West of England Combined Authority) should take on BCT directly to secure the services. www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-community-transport-axes-lifeline-7501195
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 24, 2022 15:09:11 GMT
There were many suggestions that, due to Stagecoach's excess capacity available at WH/LI, they could just take over HCT's routes without the garages. In my opinion, AW and HK should be kept in any case, as they would allow Stagecoach to expand into other areas that wouldn't be viable from their current garages. If anything eventually has to go to cut costs, one of Stagecoach's existing smaller garages might be a better option, such as T or BW. I beg to differ. As the garages are so close to Stagecoach or the existing Tower Transit garage there is no real benefit in keeping them open. [AW] is very close to [T], the same way how [HK] is close to [LI] and [BW] While they are close, it would still limit potential new routes to bid for to some extent. AW is well placed for the Chingford area routes (including the 385/397 which terminate next to the garage), and routes the other side of the Lee Valley, so far just the 616, but could possibly bid for further routes around Edmonton/Enfield/Tottenham etc. Similarly, HK could run various routes in inner North London, which might be not be viable from BW/LI, as well as some Central London routes around Liverpool Street, Shoreditch etc. HCT ran the 153 from HK for a while, which would probably be too far from any Stagecoach garages.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 24, 2022 16:41:00 GMT
There were many suggestions that, due to Stagecoach's excess capacity available at WH/LI, they could just take over HCT's routes without the garages. In my opinion, AW and HK should be kept in any case, as they would allow Stagecoach to expand into other areas that wouldn't be viable from their current garages. If anything eventually has to go to cut costs, one of Stagecoach's existing smaller garages might be a better option, such as T or BW. I beg to differ. As the garages are so close to Stagecoach or the existing Tower Transit garage there is no real benefit in keeping them open. [AW] is very close to [T], the same way how [HK] is close to [LI] and [BW] I am glad you posted this as I have said similar many times and thought it was only me thinking this! Surely Stagecoach are going to want to consolidate where they can to reduce cost. I do appreciate what others are saying about future gains but can you really hold on to a garage on the off chance of a tender gain?
No one knows what will happen with the 26 and 388 as part of the consultation so again HK could be a overkill if those routes are lost next year. I don't like speculating too much but they could easily put the D6,26 and 388 into LI, the 309 into WH and the W13 into T. If AW stays open the W5 can move like it was planned. Not too sure about the 394 again probably LI.
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 24, 2022 18:03:39 GMT
I beg to differ. As the garages are so close to Stagecoach or the existing Tower Transit garage there is no real benefit in keeping them open. [AW] is very close to [T], the same way how [HK] is close to [LI] and [BW] I am glad you posted this as I have said similar many times and thought it was only me thinking this! Surely Stagecoach are going to want to consolidate where they can to reduce cost. I do appreciate what others are saying about future gains but can you really hold on to a garage on the off chance of a tender gain?
No one knows what will happen with the 26 and 388 as part of the consultation so again HK could be a overkill if those routes are lost next year. I don't like speculating too much but they could easily put the D6,26 and 388 into LI, the 309 into WH and the W13 into T. If AW stays open the W5 can move like it was planned. Not too sure about the 394 again probably LI.
It would be no different from how Metroline ended up with 4 garages (G, PA, PV & ON) within a 10-15 mins drive of each other all of which are a short distance off the A40 when they bought parts of First in 2013 and while they did operating all 4 of them at the same time for a couple of years until the recent clousure of ON & PA. Bearing in mind that AW does also run SEN school transport alongside normal TfL services which would mean the future of AW could depend on where the SEN transport ends up or if Stagecoach is willing to share the AW site with the local school transport minibuses.
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 24, 2022 18:13:34 GMT
I am glad you posted this as I have said similar many times and thought it was only me thinking this! Surely Stagecoach are going to want to consolidate where they can to reduce cost. I do appreciate what others are saying about future gains but can you really hold on to a garage on the off chance of a tender gain?
No one knows what will happen with the 26 and 388 as part of the consultation so again HK could be a overkill if those routes are lost next year. I don't like speculating too much but they could easily put the D6,26 and 388 into LI, the 309 into WH and the W13 into T. If AW stays open the W5 can move like it was planned. Not too sure about the 394 again probably LI.
It would be no different from how Metroline ended up with 4 garages (G, PA, PV & ON) within a 10-15 mins drive of each other all of which are a short distance off the A40 when they bought parts of First in 2013 and while they did operating all 4 of them at the same time for a couple of years until the recent clousure of ON & PA. Bearing in mind that AW does also run SEN school transport alongside normal TfL services which would mean the future of AW could depend on where the SEN transport ends up or if Stagecoach is willing to share the AW site with the local school transport minibuses.
One could argue that Metroline, in hindsight, ended up with too much garage space considering how much work they subsequently lost. Although a considerably smaller acquisition Stagecoach could be in a similar position if Arriva were to bid sensibly or Go Ahead were to aim for expansion after if the bus cuts go through.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 24, 2022 19:10:06 GMT
HCT Group in talks with Stagecoach over London routes
Stagecoach has confirmed that it is in talks with HCT, although a spokesperson notes that “there is no certainty at this stage that these discussions will lead to a confirmed sale.” Should the purchase progress it will represent further growth in London for Stagecoach, which took over the former Tower Transit Lea Interchange operation in late June.
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Aug 24, 2022 20:47:03 GMT
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Post by bus000009 on Aug 24, 2022 20:47:03 GMT
Hct group no Longer operate School bus in the London Borough of Waltham Forest from the 1 September 2022
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 25, 2022 9:53:55 GMT
Fleet numbers for hct group ? Just use LVF
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