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Post by Swadbus on Sept 27, 2011 4:19:16 GMT
Walthamstow Central NR Platforms are getting a refresh; lighting columns being taken down and repainted; is this a sign of things to come!? NXEA have to return stock debranded (devoid of NXEA corporate names), and stations decorated and debranded ready for the next franchisee as part of the current franchise agreement. All stations will be done by February. Tottenham Hale has been done this week too.
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 27, 2011 8:53:53 GMT
Walthamstow Central NR Platforms are getting a refresh; lighting columns being taken down and repainted; is this a sign of things to come!? NXEA have to return stock debranded (devoid of NXEA corporate names), and stations decorated and debranded ready for the next franchisee as part of the current franchise agreement. All stations will be done by February. Tottenham Hale has been done this week too. And to think they went to all the trouble of putting vinyls on all the new 378's for the Stansted Express ;D - yet to see if they've done Northumberland Park... It will be interesting to see who has been awarded the franchise, but hopefully there will be drastic improvements and better rolling stock (those 315's need a tidy up, I can't stand the pink interior ) When are they due to announce who has won the franchise?
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Post by VPL630 on Sept 27, 2011 12:57:01 GMT
NXEA have to return stock debranded (devoid of NXEA corporate names), and stations decorated and debranded ready for the next franchisee as part of the current franchise agreement. All stations will be done by February. Tottenham Hale has been done this week too. And to think they went to all the trouble of putting vinyls on all the new 378's for the Stansted Express ;D - yet to see if they've done Northumberland Park... It will be interesting to see who has been awarded the franchise, but hopefully there will be drastic improvements and better rolling stock (those 315's need a tidy up, I can't stand the pink interior ) When are they due to announce who has won the franchise? Well i have been told that the 315's are nearly life expired and i hope that is true, i mean it was a nice train when new and still is but would just love to see some more new 379's replacing the whole fleet of 321's and 315's 317's and pushing it a bit but the 390's replacing the class 90's but that won't ever happen And BTW we have the 379's and London overground have 378's
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2011 13:32:50 GMT
And to think they went to all the trouble of putting vinyls on all the new 378's for the Stansted Express ;D - yet to see if they've done Northumberland Park... It will be interesting to see who has been awarded the franchise, but hopefully there will be drastic improvements and better rolling stock (those 315's need a tidy up, I can't stand the pink interior ) When are they due to announce who has won the franchise? Well i have been told that the 315's are nearly life expired and i hope that is true, i mean it was a nice train when new and still is but would just love to see some more new 379's replacing the whole fleet of 321's and 315's 317's and pushing it a bit but the 390's replacing the class 90's but that won't ever happen And BTW we have the 379's and London overground have 378's Dont think there is anything more new planned for NXEA, but would expect the knock on from Crossrail opening - leading to a reduction in unit requirements. The 313s have just been refurbished on Southern, even older just ... so cant see the 315s being life expired just yet
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 27, 2011 13:43:24 GMT
The 315's themselves are fine - I just hope for a better interior designer come next franchise
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Post by john on Sept 27, 2011 14:54:06 GMT
Well i have been told that the 315's are nearly life expired and i hope that is true, i mean it was a nice train when new and still is but would just love to see some more new 379's replacing the whole fleet of 321's and 315's 317's and pushing it a bit but the 390's replacing the class 90's but that won't ever happen And BTW we have the 379's and London overground have 378's Dont think there is anything more new planned for NXEA, but would expect the knock on from Crossrail opening - leading to a reduction in unit requirements. The 313s have just been refurbished on Southern, even older just ... so cant see the 315s being life expired just yet From what I have read, it seems CrossRail's rolling stock will indirectly replace the 315's both physically and in terms of operations.
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Post by Steve09 on Sept 27, 2011 16:00:15 GMT
The 315's themselves are fine - I just hope for a better interior designer come next franchise The 321's have another good ten years or so left in them, they just need a bit of work on a few of them Some of the 315s are a bit tacky yeah but the ride is rateable. Probably in five years or so when the Crossrail fleet come into service it'll probably be time for them to go, or re-deployed on other services.
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Post by john on Sept 27, 2011 18:16:45 GMT
And to think they went to all the trouble of putting vinyls on all the new 378's for the Stansted Express ;D - yet to see if they've done Northumberland Park... It will be interesting to see who has been awarded the franchise, but hopefully there will be drastic improvements and better rolling stock (those 315's need a tidy up, I can't stand the pink interior ) When are they due to announce who has won the franchise? Well i have been told that the 315's are nearly life expired and i hope that is true, i mean it was a nice train when new and still is but would just love to see some more new 379's replacing the whole fleet of 321's and 315's 317's and pushing it a bit but the 390's replacing the class 90's but that won't ever happen And BTW we have the 379's and London overground have 378's P*** off!!! The 321's are fantastic and have plenty of life still in them! I still maintain that they are the best unit on the line currently too. From what I have seen from the proposed Crossrail service when operational, the 315's will be drastically reduced in operations. The current Metro service from Liv St - Shenfield will be performed by the Crossrail service. Only peak extra services will be operated from the current NatEx ops. I've also seen that it seems the short term franchise is in preparation for the start of Crossrail. The DfT are due to open up that as a franchise at somepoint within the next few years but, from what it seems to me, the Greater Anglia franchise could include Crossrail, the same as First Capital Connect with Thameslink. This was on Wikipedia though so as to how true it is, I'll leave that until I see what happens. As for rolling stock, I would put money on the new Crossrail unit being similar to, if not the same as, the 376 units on South Eastern. The units are due to be formed as a 10 car train and are to be an existing model. To me, the 375 fits the bill perfectly!!
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Post by Steve09 on Sept 27, 2011 23:21:02 GMT
Well i have been told that the 315's are nearly life expired and i hope that is true, i mean it was a nice train when new and still is but would just love to see some more new 379's replacing the whole fleet of 321's and 315's 317's and pushing it a bit but the 390's replacing the class 90's but that won't ever happen And BTW we have the 379's and London overground have 378's P*** off!!! The 321's are fantastic and have plenty of life still in them! I still maintain that they are the best unit on the line currently too. From what I have seen from the proposed Crossrail service when operational, the 315's will be drastically reduced in operations. The current Metro service from Liv St - Shenfield will be performed by the Crossrail service. Only peak extra services will be operated from the current NatEx ops. I've also seen that it seems the short term franchise is in preparation for the start of Crossrail. The DfT are due to open up that as a franchise at somepoint within the next few years but, from what it seems to me, the Greater Anglia franchise could include Crossrail, the same as First Capital Connect with Thameslink. This was on Wikipedia though so as to how true it is, I'll leave that until I see what happens. As for rolling stock, I would put money on the new Crossrail unit being similar to, if not the same as, the 376 units on South Eastern. The units are due to be formed as a 10 car train and are to be an existing model. To me, the 375 fits the bill perfectly!! Completely in agreement with you John, the 321's are great and well suited to medium distance trips such as Colchester runs or on the stopping services out of Euston with LM. Won't there still be a small requirement for some of the Lea Valley services to be operated with 315's? Maybe the remaining 321's still with London Midland will transfer over by then.... :/ Being a regular user of the 376's, yeah they are nice units. A bit of extra padding on the seats wouldn't go amiss though
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Post by john on Sept 28, 2011 14:47:06 GMT
P*** off!!! The 321's are fantastic and have plenty of life still in them! I still maintain that they are the best unit on the line currently too. From what I have seen from the proposed Crossrail service when operational, the 315's will be drastically reduced in operations. The current Metro service from Liv St - Shenfield will be performed by the Crossrail service. Only peak extra services will be operated from the current NatEx ops. I've also seen that it seems the short term franchise is in preparation for the start of Crossrail. The DfT are due to open up that as a franchise at somepoint within the next few years but, from what it seems to me, the Greater Anglia franchise could include Crossrail, the same as First Capital Connect with Thameslink. This was on Wikipedia though so as to how true it is, I'll leave that until I see what happens. As for rolling stock, I would put money on the new Crossrail unit being similar to, if not the same as, the 376 units on South Eastern. The units are due to be formed as a 10 car train and are to be an existing model. To me, the 375 fits the bill perfectly!! Completely in agreement with you John, the 321's are great and well suited to medium distance trips such as Colchester runs or on the stopping services out of Euston with LM. Won't there still be a small requirement for some of the Lea Valley services to be operated with 315's? Maybe the remaining 321's still with London Midland will transfer over by then.... :/ Being a regular user of the 376's, yeah they are nice units. A bit of extra padding on the seats wouldn't go amiss though The West Anglia branch is allocated, on paper, around 20 units. Great Eastern have the remaining 41 units so only around a third will be left. What I think will happen is the DfT may look at putting a bulk order in for Greater Anglia and Crossrail. Obviously the West Anglia lot would have to 4 car units, but could still get a discount for the order size. By the time Crossrail commences, the 315's will be nearly 40 years old. If my memory serves me right, the old 312's were around that age when they were withdrawn and replaced by the 360's. Based on that, and what happened south of the river too, I would expect the 315's to be living on borrowed time now. Whether they move to pastures new, I'm not sure, but I do expect them to be replaced in the next 10 years or less. This is also where I think the 317's will be used later on. There will still be a peak hour service requirement between Liverpool Street and Shenfield. Crossrail will operate the current 12 tph service. Great Eastern are due to add extra trains but will, and i'll quote because it's not certain, "not call at Gidea Park, Harold Wood or Brentwood". The current Southend and Colchester services that stop at Romford WILL continue though, which is fantastic news for me ;D Could still get to Paddington quicker by using one of them and passing two Crossrail trains Just had a thought while writing this too. With the electrification of the GWR up to Reading, could the 315's be used as a stop gap replacing some of the 165's and 166's used that way? These in turn could be moved out further to replace units such as the 150's in the West Country.....could be possible.....
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Post by Tangy on Sept 28, 2011 19:30:29 GMT
It has been known that the class 319s made redundant from the Thameslink upgrade will transfer over to GW and the then newly electrified routes in the NW (i.e MAN- LIV).
Of course Crossrail will take over the GW RDG- PAD all stoppers so 319s would be used for the semi fasts to Newbury and/or Oxford.
A few 165s will need to stay to operate the Marlow/Henley/Windsor branches as these will NOT be electrified!
As for the 315s, they do have an advantage in that they were built for inner suburban use thus have wider doorways than 317s then less dwell time as each stop. As evidenced when people stand in teh doorways on 317s thus restricting flow to just one person at a time!!!
The 315s may well be 30 year old but they do still have life in them on the 80mph stretch between Cheshunt and Broxbourne!
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Post by john on Sept 28, 2011 19:47:08 GMT
It has been known that the class 319s made redundant from the Thameslink upgrade will transfer over to GW and the then newly electrified routes in the NW (i.e MAN- LIV). Of course Crossrail will take over the GW RDG- PAD all stoppers so 319s would be used for the semi fasts to Newbury and/or Oxford. A few 165s will need to stay to operate the Marlow/Henley/Windsor branches as these will NOT be electrified! As for the 315s, they do have an advantage in that they were built for inner suburban use thus have wider doorways than 317s then less dwell time as each stop. As evidenced when people stand in teh doorways on 317s thus restricting flow to just one person at a time!!! The 315s may well be 30 year old but they do still have life in them on the 80mph stretch between Cheshunt and Broxbourne! Of course, forgot all about the Thameslink units being transferred..... Well, we'll see what happens when the Crossrail rolling stock is announced but I don't see the 315's lasting for too much longer on the GER.
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 28, 2011 19:52:10 GMT
The 315's are great, esp when they fly past Northumberland Park at speed As for the cramped gangways on the 317's (exacerbated by seized sliding doors that wouldn't open) I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did on the Stansted Express Nothing wrong with the 315's or their age Still, gotta love those extra loud traction motors of the 317's... ;D
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Post by su31 on Sept 30, 2011 13:00:48 GMT
I knew SouthEastern briefly used the Johnston font a while back - remember seeing it on their first class carriages- esp. on the 'Networker' class 465's su31, were there other platform signs you noticed in this font? Would've thought only the Overground platforms would have this From memory, all of the platforms @sra are in NJ font. Overground, NR, LU and DLR all have their own brand identity on them.
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 30, 2011 18:37:06 GMT
I didn't realise the 315's are approaching 40 They're doing well. Hopefully the next franchisee will take better care of them than NXEA
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