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Post by vjaska on Aug 29, 2011 1:54:32 GMT
Today's result shocked me but surprisingly not too much. Since our Carling Cup final defeat to Birmingham (who thankfully got their just desserts by being relegated), I lost faith and belief in my team. I can't big them up anymore, I now go into a habit of putting them down. I had them down to lose against Udinese and I've still got them down to go out of the group stage of the Champions League. I've predicted we will finish 5/6th at best and the way we are carrying on, could be even worse. I'm glad Nasri and Fabregas have gone, they obviously didn't want to play for us and personally, I hope they never ever return in the future. I'm glad we got rid of Clichy too, an average defender at best who already was dropped by Man City against Bolton in favour of Kolarov who I personally think is a good player. Our summer signings have been pretty awful probably with the exception of Gervinho who has been decent in flashes. That is my problem with Wenger, his reluctance to spend. Cahill and Samba should already be here now, as should some kind of decent midfielder. We missed out on Scott Parker and then we have Joe Cole sitting in the Liverpool reserves when he could of came to us. Ok, so he has signed Park Choul Young from Monaco today for £3 million but its still not got enough. You then have Kaka sitting at Madrid doing nothing when a loan move would of suited him and us. This is why we have such a poo team, and lets not kid, it's pretty awful. I also don't need anyone else to tell me how poo my team is so 'Volvo & MCV', less of the shitness towards my team, I'll quite easily say it myself  . I'm also hating most Arsenal fans at the moment for calling for Wenger to quit or get sacked. Whilst he has evidently made some major mistakes, had it not been for him, we might never have tasted the success we had pre 2006 including the unbeaten season which I doubt will ever be equalled again. Who do they think can take over because obviously they must have someone in mind to be calling for the managers head. Then we have Gary Neville commenting on Arsenal. Sorry but why are you commenting on us. Stick to your own team. He talks so much horlicks and has a face which seems to welcome anyone to punch it (and I'm sure many Scousers would love to do so). Also, he wasn't that good either. Anyway, well done to Man Utd, you deserved your win. We just couldn't handle them and we caved in. I ended up not caring how many they scored past us as it wouldn't matter. I didn't even celebrate Van Persie's well taken goal as I really didn't see the point. My money is still on Man Utd winning the league as I don't want Man utter rubbish winning it. |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 29, 2011 7:58:43 GMT
I'm sure Arsenal, like Spurs will bounce back and get Man U and Man City back later on in the season... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 12:13:17 GMT
So true on that VJ.
If you look in the past 16 years or so Wenger has done a massive deed for the club I mean he has made a huge profit when with Arsenal.
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Fabregas he got him from the Barca Academy at 16 years old and sold him for £35 million
Adebayor for £500K and sold him off for £22million.
I could list loads but still he needs to spend as you said. But I'd doubt Kaka would want to come to Arsenal.
We already lost out on Mata. Adam Johnson and Berbatov would do good for us and they are the right players for Arsenal but doubt he's interested in them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 15:30:28 GMT
While I have faith in my beloved Man Utd and will support them til I die, I still have a strong feeling it will be City who come up trumps in the Premier League this year. And I find that annoying as we spend our time developing our players (particularly our younger/youth squad), whereas City just spend, spend, spend their way to glory and don't seem to work very hard for it. I reckon we have a stronger squad than last year, what with Welbeck back from loan, Smalling's improved even further, Cleverley, Anderson and Jones are doing me proud as well. The only question mark I have hanging over the team is De Gea, he's too nervy and shaky in goal for my liking, and I know he still needs to get used to Premier League football, but he needs to do that fast. Already he's given away goals that I could have easily saved - and I stopped playing football when I was 11  Back on topic to Arsenal, and I don't mean to be funny, but when your star attacking midfielder (Nasri) and star central midfielder (Faberge-Egg) are now out of the picture, I would have thought you'd be seeking a new midfielder as a replacement. Why then is Wenger signing a new forward in the shape of Park Chu-Young? Doesn't quite make sense. No doubt someone will argue against this but that's my opinion! Today's result shocked me but surprisingly not too much. Since our Carling Cup final defeat to Birmingham (who thankfully got their just desserts by being relegated), I lost faith and belief in my team. I can't big them up anymore, I now go into a habit of putting them down. I had them down to lose against Udinese and I've still got them down to go out of the group stage of the Champions League. I've predicted we will finish 5/6th at best and the way we are carrying on, could be even worse. I'm glad Nasri and Fabregas have gone, they obviously didn't want to play for us and personally, I hope they never ever return in the future. I'm glad we got rid of Clichy too, an average defender at best who already was dropped by Man City against Bolton in favour of Kolarov who I personally think is a good player. Our summer signings have been pretty awful probably with the exception of Gervinho who has been decent in flashes. That is my problem with Wenger, his reluctance to spend. Cahill and Samba should already be here now, as should some kind of decent midfielder. We missed out on Scott Parker and then we have Joe Cole sitting in the Liverpool reserves when he could of came to us. Ok, so he has signed Park Choul Young from Monaco today for £3 million but its still not got enough. You then have Kaka sitting at Madrid doing nothing when a loan move would of suited him and us. This is why we have such a sh*t team, and lets not kid, it's pretty awful. I also don't need anyone else to tell me how sh*t my team is so 'Volvo & MCV', less of the sh*tness towards my team, I'll quite easily say it myself . I'm also hating most Arsenal fans at the moment for calling for Wenger to quit or get sacked. Whilst he has evidently made some major mistakes, had it not been for him, we might never have tasted the success we had pre 2006 including the unbeaten season which I doubt will ever be equalled again. Who do they think can take over because obviously they must have someone in mind to be calling for the managers head. Then we have Gary Neville commenting on Arsenal. Sorry but why are you commenting on us. Stick to your own team. He talks so much horlicks and has a face which seems to welcome anyone to punch it (and I'm sure many Scousers would love to do so). Also, he wasn't that good either. Anyway, well done to Man Utd, you deserved your win. We just couldn't handle them and we caved in. I ended up not caring how many they scored past us as it wouldn't matter. I didn't even celebrate Van Persie's well taken goal as I really didn't see the point. My money is still on Man Utd winning the league as I don't want Man sh*tty winning it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 17:48:07 GMT
Back on topic to Arsenal, and I don't mean to be funny, but when your star attacking midfielder (Nasri) and star central midfielder (Faberge-Egg) are now out of the picture, I would have thought you'd be seeking a new midfielder as a replacement. Why then is Wenger signing a new forward in the shape of Park Chu-Young? Doesn't quite make sense. No doubt someone will argue against this but that's my opinion! Anyway, well done to Man Utd, you deserved your win. We just couldn't handle them and we caved in. I ended up not caring how many they scored past us as it wouldn't matter. I didn't even celebrate Van Persie's well taken goal as I really didn't see the point. My money is still on Man Utd winning the league as I don't want Man sh*tty winning it. Well we already have Jack Wilshere, Theo Walcott and Andrei Arshavin up for midfield. We know Wilshere has made the first team along with Walcott. However, Wilshere is injured atm, typical  . While Arshavin is on his peak year atm. I say sell Rosicky cause he's like in his 30s and he's an "Old" Arsenal player and when I say "Old" i'm talking about the time when he made first team when Hleb and Pires was around. Don't understand why Wenger doesn't put Chamakh on he was solid last season. |
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Post by Volvo on Aug 29, 2011 18:01:10 GMT
Insert coin I agree about david de gea, he is the thorn in man utd's side tbh as he is too shaky in goal.
Also teams like Chels*** and Man sh**** I don't rate them as while man utd will buy players here and there, they do tend to grow there players and mature them while those two rich (owned) clubs just buy buy buy buy buy buy buy......... oh and buy!!!
I forgot to mention as for van persie, why he has to smash the ball in the net so hard from so close just shows the frustration in the team.
Why fabregas left arsenal is partly down to them not winning anything.
Same for nasri along with greed I suppose because he possibly wants a higher pay, that actually is the reason many of these players have gone to man sh**** because it isn't like they have some tremendous history or something.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 18:16:32 GMT
Yeah, I think many people seem to forget that Man City found themselves relegated about ten years ago (of course they bounced back straight away, but...) ...that actually is the reason many of these players have gone to man sh**** because it isn't like they have some tremendous history or something. |
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Post by Paul on Aug 29, 2011 20:48:49 GMT
..................I now go into a habit of putting them down It's easier that way. Then when you do taste a bit of success it's all the more sweeter. Trust me, I'm a Gillingham fan ;D ;D To be fair, commenting on other teams is what Gary Neville is paid to do nowadays. And in the little I've seen of him doing it, he's done OK. And you can't really believe he wasn't that good. I hated him (blind hate, no real reason!) but could see that he was an excellent right back. The telepathic understanding he had with David Beckham for club and country was outstanding While I have faith in my beloved Man Utd and will support them til I die, I still have a strong feeling it will be City who come up trumps in the Premier League this year. And I find that annoying as we spend our time developing our players (particularly our younger/youth squad), whereas City just spend, spend, spend their way to glory and don't seem to work very hard for it That's very true; United spent an incredible amount of time developing players such as Eric Cantona, Roy Keane, Dwight Yorke, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Juan Veron, Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Michael Carrick and Dimitar Berbetov. And of course, there's all that development that went into Phil Jones, David de Gea and Ashley Young as well. Don't kid yourself, United have spent their way to glory as well; maybe not as much as Chelsea in the past or Manchester City now but they have done it Same for nasri along with greed I suppose because he possibly wants a higher pay, that actually is the reason many of these players have gone to man sh**** because it isn't like they have some tremendous history or something. OK, so they are not as successful as Liverpool, Manchester United or Arsenal but Manchester City are still one of England's biggest football clubs. They are two time league champions, five time FA Cup winners and a past holder of the Cup Winners Cup as well. They are undoubtedly a big club. Yes, the money plays a part in the desire of players to go there but they are professional footballers. If they are offered more money to ply their trade somewhere else of course they will go. If someone comes along and offers to double or triple my wages to drive buses for them I'll be off like a shot! Why shouldn't it be the same for footballers? And lest anyone thinks I'm defending City too much here they are one of the clubs in English football I don't like. Football has the ability to bring about silly grudges and I, as a Gillingham fan, have a massive grudge against City after the 1999 Second Division Play-Off Final |
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Post by Steve80 on Aug 29, 2011 23:23:19 GMT
Back on topic to Arsenal, and I don't mean to be funny, but when your star attacking midfielder (Nasri) and star central midfielder (Faberge-Egg) are now out of the picture, I would have thought you'd be seeking a new midfielder as a replacement. Why then is Wenger signing a new forward in the shape of Park Chu-Young? Doesn't quite make sense. No doubt someone will argue against this but that's my opinion! Well we already have Jack Wilshere, Theo Walcott and Andrei Arshavin up for midfield. We know Wilshere has made the first team along with Walcott. However, Wilshere is injured atm, typical . While Arshavin is on his peak year atm. I say sell Rosicky cause he's like in his 30s and he's an "Old" Arsenal player and when I say "Old" i'm talking about the time when he made first team when Hleb and Pires was around. Don't understand why Wenger doesn't put Chamakh on he was solid last season. Chamakh was good in the first half of the season but he sort of faded away after that so I don't blame wegner for keeping him on the bench. Hopefully, park chu young will help van persie or even move persie and walcott on the wing. We lost nasri and fabregas so maybe we do need another centre midfielder, but we do have quite a few in wilshere, diaby, song, rosicky and ramsey. Of course, if they are injured then theres a problem as what we saw in the game against man u. Walcott and arshavin are more like wingers/strikers than centre midfielders. As for defenders, arsenal are looking to sign a left back from brazil in the form of Ander Santos who currently plays for fenerbahce. Don't know much about him though |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 30, 2011 0:21:11 GMT
I think everyone needs to lay off De Gea. I've seen him play for Athletico Madrid and he is a brilliant keeper. He won the Europa League at the age of 18. The guy has only come to England and hasn't played many games for United but already he is being written off by his own fans as well as other people. Like managers, players need time. Let's judge him over a season rather than 3 games. There was an interesting article talking about hype being dished out so quickly without letting the players have time to do the business or not. De Gea and Aguero were two opposite examples used. Only thought of this but has Park Chou Young been signed just for pulling power in Asia. He could be used like Park Ji Sung to win lots of fans in Korea particularly if the guy is well known. If this the case though, its a bit of waste really. Gary Neville was at the game to comment on Man Utd, like Paul Merson was there for Arsenal. And yes, I really do think Gary Neville was sh*t just like David Beckham was also sh*t. There are many better people in both there positions. Personally, I think we need two centre halfs, two full backs and two to three midfielders. I think the striking and goalie departments is just about covered. At centre half, my personal options would be Samba and Cahill. Samba is a beast and is fairly cheap in todays terms whilst Cahill is a good distributor of the ball and a John Terry style defender without the girlfriend shagging. As for full backs, Leighton Baines would be my first choice, an underated player who should be challenging Ashley Cole for left back slot with England. Midfield wise, I wanted Charlie Adam but he chose Liverpool and Scott Parker would be a welcome addition as would Joe Cole or the more unlikely signing of Kaka. Some kind of defensive midfielder would be nice as cover for Alex Song. 'Chris', it was Anelka who we brought for £500,000 and sold off for £20 million, Adebayor was brought for £6 million and went for £25 million EDIT: Just looked on BBC Sport and apparently we are close to signing Alex Santos for £6.2 million, allowing Armand Traore to move to QPR. Also says, us, Liverpool, Newcastle and Lille are interested in Yossi Benyanoun with Yossi also possibly being offered to Spurs in exchange for Luka Modric. |
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Post by Paul on Aug 30, 2011 2:34:59 GMT
And yes, I really do think Gary Neville was sh*t just like David Beckham was also sh*t. There are many better people in both there positions Well yeah, there are now But there's a reason they were first choice for club and country for many, many years; they were both world class players |
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Post by Volvo on Aug 30, 2011 7:55:44 GMT
Bus driver pay and footballer pay isnt on the same level. As a footballer if im already getting say 100k a week then im not going to leave to go to another club to get 160k because that is just greedy, i am just one of those people that do think about the fact there are people living on nothing in the world having dirty water to drink etc when you have footballers getting anything between 60 - 200k a week. i mean i like to watch football etc as entertainment but i dont think its right that they get paid so much, no other sport pays so much and many of them just waste it and then government complain about f***ing debt in countries instead of limiting the amount of money that players get and its the poorer people who suffer with high bills and food prices and fuel prices etc while footballs go out buy their 6 ltr v8 or v12 cars, while alot of people van barely afford to run their 1.8 diesel astra etc. Not even doctors who save peoples lives etc get 200k a year let alone a week.
And ftr i may not be a bus driver but i know many and bus driving is not a easy think and some drivers are on like 7pph not even 500ppw not even 23k a year and have all these bills to pay etc.
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Post by john on Aug 30, 2011 12:50:23 GMT
As I said to mates on Sunday, it's not often I'm still happy after seeing Spurs lose heavily so thanks Man U ;D
I can understand Arsenals plight though. We're going through a similar problem with Modric. The fact the team has lost it's best player by a country mile will hurt and it's being shown on the pitch. Arsenal lack any sort of conviction or belief in themselves.
Personally, and I've believed this for a while, Arsenal need experienced players to steady the ship. Only then will they really challenge for any honours. Until then, things will continue to get worse for them.
As for Spurs, I say either tell Modric to shut the hell up or get out. No player is bigger than the club. We have one of the best midfields in the league so while losing Modric will hurt, I'm certain we can carry on without him. We got some good young players coming through who can fill his space. Our problem, however, is at the back! The defence is just shambolic!! Having to rely on King is killing our back four in every game he isn't there! I have faith in 'Arry but something needs to be done. Adebayor coming is one signing I'm dubious about, but look at what Gallas did when he came.
I've never said this but I can honestly see Tottenham finally finishing about Arsenal for the first time since about 1995!! I've been waiting a long time for it to happen too!
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Post by Paul on Aug 30, 2011 16:12:50 GMT
Bus driver pay and footballer pay isnt on the same level. As a footballer if im already getting say 100k a week then im not going to leave to go to another club to get 160k because that is just greedy, i am just one of those people that do think about the fact there are people living on nothing in the world having dirty water to drink etc when you have footballers getting anything between 60 - 200k a week. i mean i like to watch football etc as entertainment but i dont think its right that they get paid so much, no other sport pays so much and many of them just waste it and then government complain about f***ing debt in countries instead of limiting the amount of money that players get and its the poorer people who suffer with high bills and food prices and fuel prices etc while footballs go out buy their 6 ltr v8 or v12 cars, while alot of people van barely afford to run their 1.8 diesel astra etc. Not even doctors who save peoples lives etc get 200k a year let alone a week. And ftr i may not be a bus driver but i know many and bus driving is not a easy think and some drivers are on like 7pph not even 500ppw not even 23k a year and have all these bills to pay etc. I agree with you that footballers wages have spiralled out of control but, for the most part, that is not the fault of the footballers themselves. The managers and owners of clubs are throwing money around like water; it's their money and they are entitled to do with it as they wish. But we live in an era where a guy who can kick a piece of dead pig around some grass better than some others is worth a lot of money. It's not ideal but it's the world we live in And I'm sorry but if anyone is offered a raise they take it. It doesn't matter whether that raise is a pound an hour or 50 grand a week; they take it. Essentially, it is not about the money. It's about the value put on you by your employer. If one employer is willing to pay more for your services than another then clearly they value you more than the other. And that's where I'd like to be |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 23:18:28 GMT
Great news.
Arsenal has signed two new players to our squad.
Mertesacker & Arterta.
Benayoun who is on a season's loan from Chelsea.
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. I'm also hating most Arsenal fans at the moment for calling for Wenger to quit or get sacked. Whilst he has evidently made some major mistakes, had it not been for him, we might never have tasted the success we had pre 2006 including the unbeaten season which I doubt will ever be equalled again. Who do they think can take over because obviously they must have someone in mind to be calling for the managers head. Then we have Gary Neville commenting on Arsenal. Sorry but why are you commenting on us. Stick to your own team. He talks so much horlicks and has a face which seems to welcome anyone to punch it (and I'm sure many Scousers would love to do so). Also, he wasn't that good either. 
