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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 21, 2020 17:16:44 GMT
Has it been confirmed the 406 is getting VHs? I personally thought the 406 would get ADHs. The E3 requires 22 ADHs which I would presume are ADH45003-45005 & 45007-45025 with 45026-45037 available. These could go and replace the 10 07 reg on the 406 and the other 2 could then replace the SN11BVG/BVH. Only an idea though. I could see 2 of the 94's ADHs move to RP to replace the 2 VHs currently allocated to the 266.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 21, 2020 17:21:42 GMT
Has it been confirmed the 406 is getting VHs? I personally thought the 406 would get ADHs. The E3 requires 22 ADHs which I would presume are ADH45003-45005 & 45007-45025 with 45026-45037 available. These could go and replace the 10 07 reg on the 406 and the other 2 could then replace the SN11BVG/BVH. Only an idea though. If EB is getting VHs instead, could be to standardise with the VHs on the 85 (as the 406 is due to move to TV soon). Though this transfer will mean EB continuing to operate just the 467, 633 and 293D in terms of DD routes. If the 293 eventually moves to EB too, I could see the DD working replaced by an ADE or VH, releasing its 60reg ADH back to the E3 at V. I could perhaps see the remaining spare ADHs from the 94 go to BT for route 79. The 79 was awarded with hybrids, and I don't see the H91's being swapped back. With the 139 loss, this would also make BT's DD allocation fully ADE/ADH. The YR10 SPs could then perhaps replace older SPs elsewhere, on a route that is contractually allocated diesels, perhaps at AV for the H32?
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Post by rif153 on Feb 21, 2020 18:05:24 GMT
I wonder if the 306 may convert/be retained with the ADHs to match the E3 at V with the rest being LTs. I have previously thought that the 94's ADHs should transfer to V for the 306 as part of a wider plan I had to consolidate all ADHs at V.
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Post by busdryver on Feb 21, 2020 19:44:06 GMT
I personally thought the 406 would get ADHs. The E3 requires 22 ADHs which I would presume are ADH45003-45005 & 45007-45025 with 45026-45037 available. These could go and replace the 10 07 reg on the 406 and the other 2 could then replace the SN11BVG/BVH. Only an idea though. I could see 2 of the 94's ADHs move to RP to replace the 2 VHs currently allocated to the 266. They are only on temporary loan whilst the last ADHs are refurbished - They will return to FW soon.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 21, 2020 20:06:48 GMT
I wonder if the 306 may convert/be retained with the ADHs to match the E3 at V with the rest being LTs. I have previously thought that the 94's ADHs should transfer to V for the 306 as part of a wider plan I had to consolidate all ADHs at V. The issue with this is that the 306 is up for tender soon, so the newer VHs (mostly 16reg) may help for a retain - the 60reg ADHs may be getting too old for a new contract. Also, this would not reduce the number of types at V, as the H91's transfer there will introduce more VHs.
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Post by snowman on Feb 21, 2020 20:08:13 GMT
I could see 2 of the 94's ADHs move to RP to replace the 2 VHs currently allocated to the 266. They are only on temporary loan whilst the last ADHs are refurbished - They will return to FW soon. FW currently has VH 45164, 166, 190-194, 310-312, 315 11 is highest number of VHs FW has had since it first gained some 3.5 years ago There are still 2 VHs that were on 94 to be reused (VH 45189, 45195)
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 21, 2020 20:08:15 GMT
I could see 2 of the 94's ADHs move to RP to replace the 2 VHs currently allocated to the 266. They are only on temporary loan whilst the last ADHs are refurbished - They will return to FW soon. RP are currently a few short of ADEs/ADHs to cover the 266's allocation. Perhaps a few ADHs are currently being refurbished so have not yet transferred to RP.
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Post by E279 on Feb 21, 2020 20:17:51 GMT
They are only on temporary loan whilst the last ADHs are refurbished - They will return to FW soon. RP are currently a few short of ADEs/ADHs to cover the 266's allocation. Perhaps a few ADHs are currently being refurbished so have not yet transferred to RP. The 266 is allocated: ADE40421-24 (4), ADE40431 (1), ADE40433 (1), ADE40437-44 (8) = 14 ADEs. ADH45039-48 (10) = 10 ADHs. The PVR of the 266 is 23 so it is shy of 1 spare.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 21, 2020 20:45:38 GMT
I was thinking more of the 62 reg ADHs for the 306 as they are only 7 years old but I didn't realise the H91 was moving into V.
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Post by rif153 on Feb 21, 2020 20:59:02 GMT
I have previously thought that the 94's ADHs should transfer to V for the 306 as part of a wider plan I had to consolidate all ADHs at V. The issue with this is that the 306 is up for tender soon, so the newer VHs (mostly 16reg) may help for a retain - the 60reg ADHs may be getting too old for a new contract. Also, this would not reduce the number of types at V, as the H91's transfer there will introduce more VHs. Doh! Lack of long term thinking. Knew I was forgetting something when I typed that post...
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Post by rif153 on Feb 21, 2020 21:01:43 GMT
I have previously thought that the 94's ADHs should transfer to V for the 306 as part of a wider plan I had to consolidate all ADHs at V. The issue with this is that the 306 is up for tender soon, so the newer VHs (mostly 16reg) may help for a retain - the 60reg ADHs may be getting too old for a new contract. Also, this would not reduce the number of types at V, as the H91's transfer there will introduce more VHs. My bright hope would be for electrics for the 306 giving V some too and it could result in some strays on to my local E3 but I don't think the prospect fo electrics is that likely even though for RATP it'd be a powerful trump card to fend off opponents
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 23:03:08 GMT
The issue with this is that the 306 is up for tender soon, so the newer VHs (mostly 16reg) may help for a retain - the 60reg ADHs may be getting too old for a new contract. Also, this would not reduce the number of types at V, as the H91's transfer there will introduce more VHs. My bright hope would be for electrics for the 306 giving V some too and it could result in some strays on to my local E3 but I don't think the prospect fo electrics is that likely even though for RATP it'd be a powerful trump card to fend off opponents All that installation for one small route which has hybrids anyway?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 22, 2020 0:31:29 GMT
They are only on temporary loan whilst the last ADHs are refurbished - They will return to FW soon. RP are currently a few short of ADEs/ADHs to cover the 266's allocation. Perhaps a few ADHs are currently being refurbished so have not yet transferred to RP. They aren’t short at all - they have adequate cover including spares for the 266.
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Post by i3lu on Feb 22, 2020 1:04:35 GMT
Not aware of anything official, but my understanding is disposal Virtually 11.5 years old, Had a fairly tough life, 7 years on 24 hour 285, so probably equivalent to a 13 year old bus (without night work) Yeah I cannot see them going elsewhere, they will be getting onto 12 years old by the time they're all withdrawn, too old for another contract and aside form the odd 07 reg DE there isn't anything older than them 10.2m E200 wise. They might replace the last 07 reg ones still in service.
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Post by snowman on Feb 22, 2020 6:31:26 GMT
Yeah I cannot see them going elsewhere, they will be getting onto 12 years old by the time they're all withdrawn, too old for another contract and aside form the odd 07 reg DE there isn't anything older than them 10.2m E200 wise. They might replace the last 07 reg ones still in service. I think the following is happening (unless there are more changes, that no one has yet reported) Basically anything not being upgraded to euroVI has to be withdrawn by 26 October 07-reg DEs withdrawn (they are cover during euroVI upgrades, so won’t be needed soon) 07-reg DEs converted to trainers are getting euroVI upgrades so will stay beyond October 58-reg DEs from 326 being withdrawn, replaced by DMEs (some from 440) 58-reg DEs (3 buses on 72), these had refurb and are staying 2009-2011 DEs staying until contracts expire OVs remaining ones at Epsom withdrawn by April when route transfers to TV 2006 SPs being withdrawn (not sure when), but latest by end of school year in July 2007 ADEs being withdrawn, using a cascade of buses surplus since 94 got BCEs 2008 SPs (unrefurbished) being withdrawn, as above, using surplus buses since BCEs From memory the euroVI upgrades were due to be finished April or May Some will have noticed that the 440 and 465 will need more DLEs The 465 is easy, at moment 371 is using a few alongside DEs so can release some The 440 is more interesting, think a current DLE route that may be getting buses from 285 Before anyone asks, although I understand the VHs from 285 are staying when route is lost, no idea what is happening with the 13-reg on 139 when that is lost.
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