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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 8, 2011 14:08:05 GMT
exactly. The 281 uses 03 reg buses for a contract finishing max 2016 making them 13 years old at that point. They copuls easily move to the 131 which ends about 1 year after the 281 does. Same with the 57.
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Post by jamaal on Jun 11, 2011 15:24:00 GMT
I doubt after 15 years of service and the Bus is still in good condition, still has warranty cover and still meets the LEZ criteria at the time TFL will turn around and say 'you have to withdraw this Bus now' I really doubt it.
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Post by john on Jun 11, 2011 18:53:14 GMT
I doubt after 15 years of service and the Bus is still in good condition, still has warranty cover and still meets the LEZ criteria at the time TFL will turn around and say 'you have to withdraw this Bus now' I really doubt it. I seriously doubt a company like ADL would offer a 15 year warranty. Most warranties, on any product, will last for just under the useful life of it. I mean how many computers or consoles have warranties any longer than 3 years?? Also, being in service in London, I would suspect that with a refurb comes a very high level of work to be carried out to get them to a decent standard again. I'm with snowman, the economic benefits of a 15 year old vehicle on a TfL contract are probably very minimal |
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Post by snowman on Jun 12, 2011 7:00:31 GMT
It's a little hard to guess what London United will order at the moment. B9TL Geminis - would save RATP money on ordering in bulk like Go Ahead's recent order for London & Brighton & Hove Scania Omnicity DDs - keeps fleet standardised to one main type, plus no one is ordering any Omnicity DDs at the moment so should have no delays in delivering Of course, they may go for someone completely different  One option no-one has mentioned is the enviro400 on Scania chassis (Stagecoach ordered the first of this combination) This has the advantage of maintence familiarity and spare part holding as a garage with SPs would be familiar with mechanicals. Similarly, the bodywork would use many parts common to ADH hybrids. The disadvantages would be length (would be a 10.8m version as chassis is only one length), not that London United routes would really have a problem with this length as many see occasional SPs anyway. Also possibly weight for dual door version, but spreading the seats out and giving more legroom is an option, or maybe some 2+1 seating instead of 2+2. Think Stagecoach ones are single door H47/29F (provincial spec) |
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Post by paulo on Jun 13, 2011 9:31:00 GMT
Is there a problem now with buying all polish Scania's. If not then I would have thought LU would keep with them. Also any idea what will happen to DE's off of 493, will NC close and are the remaining Optare's ever going to arrive?
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Post by COBO on Jun 13, 2011 10:12:33 GMT
Is there a problem now with buying all polish Scania's. If not then I would have thought LU would keep with them. Also any idea what will happen to DE's off of 493, will NC close and are the remaining Optare's ever going to arrive? Well their is nothing wrong with the Scania's but sometime's people or companies for that matter will like to buy different things rather than buying the same thing all the time because that's just boring but that's not to say that LU won't be any Scania's. I don't think NC will close but you just never know. |
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Post by ajw on Jun 13, 2011 10:40:19 GMT
I doubt after 15 years of service and the Bus is still in good condition, still has warranty cover and still meets the LEZ criteria at the time TFL will turn around and say 'you have to withdraw this Bus now' I really doubt it. I seriously doubt a company like ADL would offer a 15 year warranty. Most warranties, on any product, will last for just under the useful life of it. I mean how many computers or consoles have warranties any longer than 3 years?? Also, being in service in London, I would suspect that with a refurb comes a very high level of work to be carried out to get them to a decent standard again. I'm with snowman, the economic benefits of a 15 year old vehicle on a TfL contract are probably very minimal Here in Oz it is not uncommon for the BODY of a bus to be warranted against corrosion for 10+ years. Mechanicals etc different story of course. |
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Post by snowman on Jun 13, 2011 12:49:20 GMT
Is there a problem now with buying all polish Scania's. If not then I would have thought LU would keep with them. Also any idea what will happen to DE's off of 493, will NC close and are the remaining Optare's ever going to arrive? NCP almost certainly leased these when they were seperate company. Would guess there is a break point at 5 years (consistent with TFL contract) but LU has plenty of routes that could use something newer. LU had a 5 year gap (2003-2008) where it didn't acquire any single deckers (except the two 06reg MPDs for K5) so its single deck fleet is newish or about a decade old. My guess would be 2 for 371 (as it generally needs a DPS Dart or two everyday) and remainder to Tolworth (or indirectly by replacing DPS7xx) as Tolworth currently has buses dating from 1999-2002 for K2, K3, 265 which have contracts with potentially 5-6 years (if get 2 year extensions) remaining |
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Post by john on Jun 13, 2011 13:31:40 GMT
I seriously doubt a company like ADL would offer a 15 year warranty. Most warranties, on any product, will last for just under the useful life of it. I mean how many computers or consoles have warranties any longer than 3 years?? Also, being in service in London, I would suspect that with a refurb comes a very high level of work to be carried out to get them to a decent standard again. I'm with snowman, the economic benefits of a 15 year old vehicle on a TfL contract are probably very minimal Here in Oz it is not uncommon for the BODY of a bus to be warranted against corrosion for 10+ years. Mechanicals etc different story of course. Now that is interesting, never knew that. Any idea as to why that would be?? I know I'm dumb at times so really interested in it ;D |
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 13, 2011 14:18:03 GMT
Here in Oz it is not uncommon for the BODY of a bus to be warranted against corrosion for 10+ years. Mechanicals etc different story of course. Now that is interesting, never knew that. Any idea as to why that would be?? I know I'm dumb at times so really interested in it ;D No need for such warranty here... They're mostly plastic ;D ;D  |
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Post by jay38a on Jun 13, 2011 16:53:14 GMT
Here in Oz it is not uncommon for the BODY of a bus to be warranted against corrosion for 10+ years. Mechanicals etc different story of course. Now that is interesting, never knew that. Any idea as to why that would be?? I know I'm dumb at times so really interested in it ;D Arent most buses these days in the UK built to resist corrosion, so thats why we dont have the corrosion warranty. |
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Post by ajw on Jun 14, 2011 0:18:38 GMT
Now that is interesting, never knew that. Any idea as to why that would be?? I know I'm dumb at times so really interested in it ;D Simple, when supply contracts are written the operator has an expectation that the busy body will last a given number of years and the body manufacturer has to warrant that their body will last that long. It creates some interesting issues for both sides though as the body maker then puts on conditions that must be met for the warranty to be valid, such as specifying cleaning fluids, paint type and repair technique. Arent most buses these days in the UK built to resist corrosion, so thats why we dont have the corrosion warranty. Actually, that is a good reason as to why as an operator you would ask the manufacturer to warrant against corrosion. Interestingly our homes are also built with a similar warranty that lasts for a number of years (15 I think), though the warranty is against termites/white ant rather than corrosion. |
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Post by Jack on Jun 18, 2011 18:52:47 GMT
All 16 OT's have been delievered and are in service now on Route H37
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Post by jamaal on Jun 18, 2011 19:37:30 GMT
A load of DPs and VAs are in store at NC.
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Post by rygr500 on Jun 19, 2011 10:50:14 GMT
Really? I drove past today and couldn't seen anything bar the standard DPS and DE stock.
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