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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 21:42:50 GMT
I feel for metro bus losing the x26. As many have pointed out, this means no more deckers on that route, at least mon-fri.
I have travelled on the x26 and it has been full up downstairs on a double decker, and one from every pair of seats taken upstairs.
This is a prime example of the lowest bidder , poor quality of service will result with delays caused by overloading and hampered driver change overs.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 4, 2011 21:58:58 GMT
The Metrobus loss of the X26 is 1 that will be felt by the passengers most. The route is very busy at times, is hugely popular with passengers as it provides fast journies aswell as direct local links such as Cheam to Carshalton and no doubt if an inner London would have recieved a frequency increase or a DD conversion.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 4, 2011 22:42:01 GMT
Perhaps during the school holiday period the decker scheduled for the 463 may possibly appear as strange workings on the X26.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Aug 5, 2011 1:12:18 GMT
Losing the X26 must be a slap in the face for Metrobus. They really made that bus an efficient and successful route. QL I feel are just not going to deliver the standard Metrobus are going to left behind. I always had a feeling TfL would do this kind of thing and tender it to independent operator as they were probably losing money with that route. Oh well, we have to see what QL do. But I don't think QL will have the route on it's next tender.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 5:22:28 GMT
Quality line will also now start to slip down the reliability tables as they have is low frequency routes, which are harder to run , especially this route.
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Post by rygr500 on Aug 5, 2011 8:32:26 GMT
I feel for metro bus losing the x26. As many have pointed out, this means no more deckers on that route, at least mon-fri. I have travelled on the x26 and it has been full up downstairs on a double decker, and one from every pair of seats taken upstairs. This is a prime example of the lowest bidder , poor quality of service will result with delays caused by overloading and hampered driver change overs. Sorry but that's utter rubbish. Quality Line has two spare deckers if you include the next two for 467 - so your point is totally moot. Look at the actual facts first please. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 5, 2011 8:34:39 GMT
I choose to give Quality Line the benefit of the doubt and allow time to pass first before commenting on how they handle its operation.
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Post by RM5chris on Aug 5, 2011 9:01:56 GMT
I choose to give Quality Line the benefit of the doubt and allow time to pass first before commenting on how they handle its operation. Well said. Whilst I don't have any experience of QL, from postings here and other sites I belong to they seem to be a 'quality' operation so who is to say they wont maintain the operation of the X26 to a high standard? Lets see what happens first and see how they get on before condemning them and prophesying them slipping down the performance leagues.... |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 5, 2011 12:07:48 GMT
I choose to give Quality Line the benefit of the doubt and allow time to pass first before commenting on how they handle its operation. Well said. Whilst I don't have any experience of QL, from postings here and other sites I belong to they seem to be a 'quality' operation so who is to say they wont maintain the operation of the X26 to a high standard? Lets see what happens first and see how they get on before condemning them and prophesying them slipping down the performance leagues.... Indeed, they are a quality operation which makes some of the comments made before quite laughable. I can see them continuing Metrobus excellent record on the X26 quite easily. I dont get all this talk about the X26 needing double deckers. I've used and seen this route so many times since its introduction and yes loads are quite busy but not busy enough to justify deckers. I reckon Quality Line will plump for Citaros as they've used them before and unlike the Tempos that went to RATP, can probably be guranteed to arrive on time. They may keep MCL1 though for fuel trials or even upgrade it to a similar spec if Citaros were purchased. Probably more Versas for the 465 seeing as they've got a batch for the 411. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 13:01:25 GMT
Well said. Whilst I don't have any experience of QL, from postings here and other sites I belong to they seem to be a 'quality' operation so who is to say they wont maintain the operation of the X26 to a high standard? Lets see what happens first and see how they get on before condemning them and prophesying them slipping down the performance leagues.... Indeed, they are a quality operation which makes some of the comments made before quite laughable. I can see them continuing Metrobus excellent record on the X26 quite easily. I dont get all this talk about the X26 needing double deckers. I've used and seen this route so many times since its introduction and yes loads are quite busy but not busy enough to justify deckers. I reckon Quality Line will plump for Citaros as they've used them before and unlike the Tempos that went to RATP, can probably be guranteed to arrive on time. They may keep MCL1 though for fuel trials or even upgrade it to a similar spec if Citaros were purchased. Probably more Versas for the 465 seeing as they've got a batch for the 411. Personally I do not see how deckers work on the X26. Whenever I have used it for the Airport the luggage racks on the single decks get pretty full. No with a decker and a luggage rack downstairs, this is not going to leave many seats downstairs. I for one will not be leaving a full suitcase out of sight and go up stairs .... I want to be downstairs to keep an eye on it - so single deckers are ideal for the route in my eyes. |
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Post by eggmiester on Aug 5, 2011 16:03:22 GMT
All i'm going to say, when was the last time QL lost a TFL route???
The 413??? How long ago was that??
In my view they are a proper professional outfit and must be doing well to keep retaiining and gaining work from TFL.
Thier buses also appear to be very smartly presented, which is typical of a coach derived operator, way different to the likes of Go-Ahead, London United and Metrobus.
I wish them well, its good to see the Independants taking on more TFL work now after years of the 'Big Group monopoly', i hope more independants see TFL as a possible operating venture.
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Post by londonbusboy on Aug 5, 2011 16:53:05 GMT
and Quality Line have high standards which is great to see. Metrobus' standards appear to be lacking so well done to the winners
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 5, 2011 17:34:59 GMT
293 was their last lost route. They operated it from 2003-08 when it was lost to Metrobus. The 413 was lost in 413 and has been retended and retained by LG twice though both times did not gain a 2 year extension so i guess LG are not brilliant with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 22:23:43 GMT
No with a decker and a luggage rack downstairs, this is not going to leave many seats downstairs. I for one will not be leaving a full suitcase out of sight and go up stairs .... I want to be downstairs to keep an eye on it - so single deckers are ideal for the route in my eyes. Agreed. Quite why anyone would think double decks on the X26 would be a good idea is beyond me. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 5, 2011 22:40:08 GMT
Anybody who lives in Sutton and regulary has to stand on the X26 all the way to kingston would think DD's were a good idea. Even if when ever you use the route the luggage racks are full does not mean every passenger is going to Heathrow. They dont, but use the route over the ass achingly slow 213 to Kingston or the the passengers who do not want to have to take 2 buses just to get from Cheam to Carshalton would also welcome buses that seat 64 people.
1 think I do think is right for the X26 is single door buses. Most buses have to pull in to all the stops and often halt for minuite so letting passengers off first before letting on is not a major problem and they allow a large capacity.
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