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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 22, 2022 13:40:38 GMT
If the 14/74 changes go ahead and GAL don’t win the 85 or 265 it would make far more sense to have the 93 reallocated to AF than it would AL. The 93 could even use the native AF hybrids without the need for electric conversion. The dead run on each end would be pretty much the same, slightly less even on the Putney Bridge to AF side. Whereas the cost of AL basing would increase as long dead runs would be needed on each end. It would also avoid the issue of having to move the 44 to SW to make space for the 93 as there isn’t room at AL for the 93 and it’s existing allocation. Losing the 14/74 could also allow the 39/485 to move to AF as well as potentially allowing PL to close permanently. Where the 493 go to make PL close permanently? Could easily slot into AL, contradicting myself slightly, if the 44 were to move to SW. But the 44 shouldn’t move for the 93 as it doesn’t make sense. Moving it to SW to create space for the 493 makes far more sense long term. I believe AL already does most of the bigger maintenance for PL, hence why AL single deckers often pop up on the 485/493. But this is slightly off topic for a RATP thread.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 22, 2022 13:46:47 GMT
That could be a trend that operators do try not to have to do every garage in the next couple of years to see how things pan out. RA had a big investment when in reality the 507 could easily go into SW now to replace the 11 and be closed when the 521 is withdrawn. But as you just said a big investment has been made at RA so makes sense to keep it open! Why go to the trouble of having to install chargers for the 507 at SW? Exactly this, people seem to think with electric operation it's as simple as move this here and move that there. It's only simple in a case like the 153 where it moved from one electric equipped garage at NP to another at RA. It's the same with the needless speculation over garage closures when there isn't any evidence at all to suggest any are currently happening.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 22, 2022 14:26:17 GMT
But as you just said a big investment has been made at RA so makes sense to keep it open! Why go to the trouble of having to install chargers for the 507 at SW? Exactly this, people seem to think with electric operation it's as simple as move this here and move that there. It's only simple in a case like the 153 where it moved from one electric equipped garage at NP to another at RA. It's the same with the needless speculation over garage closures when there isn't any evidence at all to suggest any are currently happening. I wouldn't be surprised if TFL buckle and keep the LT operated 11 running from Fulham BDY to Waterloo and the 507 'withdrawn' instead. That's why I think '507' will find its way to SW tbh.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 22, 2022 15:11:15 GMT
If the 14/74 changes go ahead and GAL don’t win the 85 or 265 it would make far more sense to have the 93 reallocated to AF than it would AL. The 93 could even use the native AF hybrids without the need for electric conversion. The dead run on each end would be pretty much the same, slightly less even on the Putney Bridge to AF side. Whereas the cost of AL basing would increase as long dead runs would be needed on each end. It would also avoid the issue of having to move the 44 to SW to make space for the 93 as there isn’t room at AL for the 93 and it’s existing allocation. Losing the 14/74 could also allow the 39/485 to move to AF as well as potentially allowing PL to close permanently. Where the 493 go to make PL close permanently? If the 14/74 do get withdrawn, AF would have enough space to operate the 493 as well as the 39/485.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 22, 2022 15:55:24 GMT
Exactly this, people seem to think with electric operation it's as simple as move this here and move that there. It's only simple in a case like the 153 where it moved from one electric equipped garage at NP to another at RA. It's the same with the needless speculation over garage closures when there isn't any evidence at all to suggest any are currently happening. I wouldn't be surprised if TFL buckle and keep the LT operated 11 running from Fulham BDY to Waterloo and the 507 'withdrawn' instead. That's why I think '507' will find its way to SW tbh. Regardless of what happens with the 11 & 507, I don't see any logic in moving the route when it operates from a garage that had money spent on it readying it for electric. It's already taking time to establish charging at garages when a route is actually specified to run from that garage without having to transfer a route to a garage that doesn't currently have charging facilities.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 22, 2022 19:11:36 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if TFL buckle and keep the LT operated 11 running from Fulham BDY to Waterloo and the 507 'withdrawn' instead. That's why I think '507' will find its way to SW tbh. Regardless of what happens with the 11 & 507, I don't see any logic in moving the route when it operates from a garage that had money spent on it readying it for electric. It's already taking time to establish charging at garages when a route is actually specified to run from that garage without having to transfer a route to a garage that doesn't currently have charging facilities. But what happens if the 507 is withdrawn. That will leave a big hole at RA
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Post by WH241 on Jun 22, 2022 19:19:31 GMT
Regardless of what happens with the 11 & 507, I don't see any logic in moving the route when it operates from a garage that had money spent on it readying it for electric. It's already taking time to establish charging at garages when a route is actually specified to run from that garage without having to transfer a route to a garage that doesn't currently have charging facilities. But what happens if the 507 is withdrawn. That will leave a big hole at RA All depends on the consultation. RA could even end up running the 26 if GAL bid? I like others think its unlikely a fully electric garage would close but time well tell.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 22, 2022 19:29:46 GMT
But what happens if the 507 is withdrawn. That will leave a big hole at RA All depends on the consultation. RA could even end up running the 26 if GAL bid? I like others think its unlikely a fully electric garage would close but time well tell. Along with the 153 I think the 100 and 360 could be easily operated from there, for the 100 its considerably more convenient than Q
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Post by dragonman on Jun 22, 2022 20:53:41 GMT
Strongly disagree. V is in an advantageous position to bid for both Central London and suburban work in an area RATP are strong in. Similar to PB, why would they give that up to save a bit of cash and threaten their competitiveness in other areas when the current arrangement works just fine? Not to mention the needless challenges of upping and moving their HQ. Not sure why the prospect of trimming garages just because they have a bit of space continues to seem attractive to some. Also agree. RATP are not shy for closing garages as we know and i think BT will close, especially when HH could be in need of replacing in next ten or so years simply because of where it is. [br It would certainly be very sad if it did close
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Post by vjaska on Jun 22, 2022 21:37:21 GMT
Regardless of what happens with the 11 & 507, I don't see any logic in moving the route when it operates from a garage that had money spent on it readying it for electric. It's already taking time to establish charging at garages when a route is actually specified to run from that garage without having to transfer a route to a garage that doesn't currently have charging facilities. But what happens if the 507 is withdrawn. That will leave a big hole at RA The 214 could move in or even the 100 or 360 as suggested earlier
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 21:47:44 GMT
Also agree. RATP are not shy for closing garages as we know and i think BT will close, especially when HH could be in need of replacing in next ten or so years simply because of where it is. [br It would certainly be very sad if it did close The quote above from me has been changed - the two garages I mentioned were V and RP. Don’t know how someone has managed to change what i wrote
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 21:49:03 GMT
Strongly disagree. V is in an advantageous position to bid for both Central London and suburban work in an area RATP are strong in. Similar to PB, why would they give that up to save a bit of cash and threaten their competitiveness in other areas when the current arrangement works just fine? Not to mention the needless challenges of upping and moving their HQ. Not sure why the prospect of trimming garages just because they have a bit of space continues to seem attractive to some. Also agree. RATP are not shy for closing garages as we know. I don’t think V will close, especially when RP could be in need of replacing in next ten or so years simply because of where it is.
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Post by snowman on Jun 25, 2022 5:11:39 GMT
Fulwell now has its allocation of BCEs for 65, 281, 371 BCE 47030-47083
currently has few extra BCEs 47148, 47152-47156 (all due to move to 125)
Fulwell is still missing 3 BEs 37041, 37051, 37056
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Post by Volvo on Jun 25, 2022 5:24:39 GMT
ADE45309 is at Parr Road
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Post by snowman on Jun 25, 2022 5:33:06 GMT
FW currently have 26 VHs for a PVR of 22 (85, 481 and 681). The move of 45162-164 into TV is curious as I did think they were allocated to the 85 but your likely correct in thinking it’s for refurbishment of 45124-144 (71 and 406 buses). That leaves VH45153-155 eventually without a route so I presume general spares at FW, but of course are now covering 45162-164. These could perhaps end up allocated to the TV school routes? The 406 already has it's own batch of VH's being VH45310-45317, I presume your referring to the 418 instead? VH45124-144 should convert the 71 & 418 once finished elsewhere and then I'd imagine VH45153-155 could end up at TV themselves on the 613, 655 & 662 or they stay put at FW and VH45162-164 are used for those school routes with ADE's staying on the 293 DD journey and 467 The 613 and 662 start new hybrid contracts from 30th July, so will be getting VHs (effectively from new school term in September). I suspect 655 will also convert SP 40176-40190 should be replaced in a few weeks time, once the 125 is electric and VHs can be reallocated. Next week is 1 year after 71 contract started, and TfL used to expect the correct fleet to be in service within a year for a retained route.
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