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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 23, 2022 18:18:44 GMT
Is there an RATP strike planned for tomorrow? I’m pretty sure it was cancelled as a result of the Queens passing.
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Post by TB123 on Sept 23, 2022 18:34:56 GMT
Is there an RATP strike planned for tomorrow? I’m pretty sure it was cancelled as a result of the Queens passing. They've accepted a pay offer
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 23, 2022 20:19:54 GMT
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Post by TE920 on Sept 24, 2022 8:14:07 GMT
Upcoming garage changes : 15th October route 218 from London Transit at X to London United at V Here's hoping they don't run in into the ground like they have with the H91! Only 2 buses on the H91 at the moment! How are they even getting away with this?
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Post by paulo on Sept 24, 2022 8:22:34 GMT
Should make RATP even more uncompetitive on upcoming tenders not that Unite would have given that a seconds thought. You do wonder if their Paris based management are seeking an exit from the business. It’s anything but on a steady footing at present.
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Post by Frenzie on Sept 24, 2022 10:50:46 GMT
Should make RATP even more uncompetitive on upcoming tenders not that Unite would have given that a seconds thought. You do wonder if their Paris based management are seeking an exit from the business. It’s anything but on a steady footing at present. Why would it make them more uncompetitive?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 10:56:28 GMT
Should make RATP even more uncompetitive on upcoming tenders not that Unite would have given that a seconds thought. You do wonder if their Paris based management are seeking an exit from the business. It’s anything but on a steady footing at present. Hopefully this will help improve staff recruitment and retention. Arguably, once that in order, improve performance, it could work out best in the long term.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 24, 2022 11:38:32 GMT
Should make RATP even more uncompetitive on upcoming tenders not that Unite would have given that a seconds thought. You do wonder if their Paris based management are seeking an exit from the business. It’s anything but on a steady footing at present. Why would it make them more uncompetitive? That 10% increase is not a small amount, it's going to have to be funded from somewhere and I'm quite confident Paris won't fund it out of the goodness of their own heart. They'll want the London division to pay for this increase itself, this means routes need to make more money to fund this wage increase which means prices of bids will start going up as RATP will need more money. I wouldn't be surprised if this even shunts more routes they have towards the loss making end. While I understand drivers wanting a pay increase, they need to realise that it could very well cause the company to care about them even less in the long term and can in itself affect the viability of the company.
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Post by Frenzie on Sept 24, 2022 12:00:27 GMT
Why would it make them more uncompetitive? That 10% increase is not a small amount, it's going to have to be funded from somewhere and I'm quite confident Paris won't fund it out of the goodness of their own heart. They'll want the London division to pay for this increase itself, this means routes need to make more money to fund this wage increase which means prices of bids will start going up as RATP will need more money. I wouldn't be surprised if this even shunts more routes they have towards the loss making end. While I understand drivers wanting a pay increase, they need to realise that it could very well cause the company to care about them even less in the long term and can in itself affect the viability of the company. If for instance Abellio don’t match RATPs pay offer then I can imagine a mass exodus of drivers from TF to FW (as is already being rumoured). A company won’t be attractive to drivers if it’s paying £1.40 less per hour. Therefore they won’t be competitive if they have no drivers. Also many London bus companies have offered around 10% increase in pay. GoAhead drivers have rejected a 9% offer. I think Arriva South London accepted an 11% increase. If all companies increase pay by around the same amount then it shouldn’t affect the competitiveness of the company as much.
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Post by dlroper on Sept 24, 2022 12:21:03 GMT
Should make RATP even more uncompetitive on upcoming tenders not that Unite would have given that a seconds thought. You do wonder if their Paris based management are seeking an exit from the business. It’s anything but on a steady footing at present. Hopefully this will help improve staff recruitment and retention. Arguably, once that in order, improve performance, it could work out best in the long term. Given what happened on the DLR recently with pay (albeit a long-term deal which Management (also French) could have challenged / attempted to re-negotiate given its high cost to them in the final year - basically matching CPI) I feel this is the case. Maybe it's the French aspect - and I speak from DLR perspective - the management have been brilliant with the workforce in welfare terms since the start of Covid but they do expect delivery in return (and I realise the obviousness of that statement). Anyway, back to the buses ....................................
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 24, 2022 13:01:08 GMT
That 10% increase is not a small amount, it's going to have to be funded from somewhere and I'm quite confident Paris won't fund it out of the goodness of their own heart. They'll want the London division to pay for this increase itself, this means routes need to make more money to fund this wage increase which means prices of bids will start going up as RATP will need more money. I wouldn't be surprised if this even shunts more routes they have towards the loss making end. While I understand drivers wanting a pay increase, they need to realise that it could very well cause the company to care about them even less in the long term and can in itself affect the viability of the company. If for instance Abellio don’t match RATPs pay offer then I can imagine a mass exodus of drivers from TF to FW (as is already being rumoured). A company won’t be attractive to drivers if it’s paying £1.40 less per hour. Therefore they won’t be competitive if they have no drivers. Also many London bus companies have offered around 10% increase in pay. GoAhead drivers have rejected a 9% offer. I think Arriva South London accepted an 11% increase. If all companies increase pay by around the same amount then it shouldn’t affect the competitiveness of the company as much. Interestingly enough Abellio drivers are about to be balloted for potential pay related strikes. So we could see Abellio offer to match RATPs offer. It’ll be interesting to see how much NS are going to be financially involved in the management buyout in the future but Abellio as a company may have far less cash than the Go Aheads and RATPs.
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Post by kmkcheng on Sept 24, 2022 13:08:33 GMT
If for instance Abellio don’t match RATPs pay offer then I can imagine a mass exodus of drivers from TF to FW (as is already being rumoured). A company won’t be attractive to drivers if it’s paying £1.40 less per hour. Therefore they won’t be competitive if they have no drivers. Also many London bus companies have offered around 10% increase in pay. GoAhead drivers have rejected a 9% offer. I think Arriva South London accepted an 11% increase. If all companies increase pay by around the same amount then it shouldn’t affect the competitiveness of the company as much. Interestingly enough Abellio drivers are about to be balloted for potential pay related strikes. So we could see Abellio offer to match RATPs offer. It’ll be interesting to see how much NS are going to be financially involved in the management buyout in the future but Abellio as a company may have far less cash than the Go Aheads and RATPs. I would have thought the management buyout would mean they have completely cut ties with NS
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 24, 2022 13:14:15 GMT
Interestingly enough Abellio drivers are about to be balloted for potential pay related strikes. So we could see Abellio offer to match RATPs offer. It’ll be interesting to see how much NS are going to be financially involved in the management buyout in the future but Abellio as a company may have far less cash than the Go Aheads and RATPs. I would have thought the management buyout would mean they have completely cut ties with NS The notice from NS mentioned a transition period but didn’t provide details on what that meant. So it could financial, logistical or just in terms of back office systems. No idea, but the deal isn’t set to complete until late 2022 so Abellio can’t.m get too heavy handed with the chequebook.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 15:12:48 GMT
That 10% increase is not a small amount, it's going to have to be funded from somewhere and I'm quite confident Paris won't fund it out of the goodness of their own heart. They'll want the London division to pay for this increase itself, this means routes need to make more money to fund this wage increase which means prices of bids will start going up as RATP will need more money. I wouldn't be surprised if this even shunts more routes they have towards the loss making end. While I understand drivers wanting a pay increase, they need to realise that it could very well cause the company to care about them even less in the long term and can in itself affect the viability of the company. If for instance Abellio don’t match RATPs pay offer then I can imagine a mass exodus of drivers from TF to FW (as is already being rumoured). A company won’t be attractive to drivers if it’s paying £1.40 less per hour. Therefore they won’t be competitive if they have no drivers. Also many London bus companies have offered around 10% increase in pay. GoAhead drivers have rejected a 9% offer. I think Arriva South London accepted an 11% increase. If all companies increase pay by around the same amount then it shouldn’t affect the competitiveness of the company as much. Spot on. Abellio bit off a big chunk from AV with the 111 but they don’t seem to have faired very well since at TF.
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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 24, 2022 16:58:09 GMT
Hopefully the H91 will return to some form of normality at its old base and end its time at RATP on a high because operation as of late has been fairly pitiful. Assuming they will be leaving a few VHs behind for the E3 Only been a day back and it's so much better!
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