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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2022 2:29:41 GMT
But they are not so its speculation for speculation sake.
From LOTS
1) 29th October saw the transfer of route 295 from Metroline to RATP (at X). Together with electrification (at last) of route 125 at Edgware, this triggered very many vehicle transfers to get enough VHs for the 295. Additionally the transfer out of X of routes 218 (to V) and 228 (to RP) occurred on the 289th, having been deferred since 15th October. RATP’s StreetLites (WLS 30027-040) at X were all stood down for now.
will they be getting new seat moquette? Why would they be getting any new seat moquette? As I already mentioned, the buses would only be refurbished upon a contract award or renewal either as soon as possible or within the first couple of years of that contract
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 30, 2022 5:56:23 GMT
Predictions: - The BE's immediately move to the 235
- The DLE's on the 235 return to the K3
- The K3 60regs return to the 33
- The remaining 235 DLE's return to the 303
- The DE's covering on the 303 transfer to the 72
That’s what should be happening. Not sure why it wouldn’t be the case unless there are new plans for when the DLEs are released from the 265. I thought a transfer onto the 419 was likely for that batch. I agres. However, if route K3 hasn't had its buses back by then, I think they'll move there with the 68regs redeployed instead later on.
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Post by snowman on Oct 30, 2022 6:06:53 GMT
The 228 and 218 got there DEs because the 72 and 33 are using BEs from the 235. So what happens when the 235 gets its BEs back 😂 Predictions: - The BE's immediately move to the 235
- The DLE's on the 235 return to the K3
- The K3 60regs return to the 33
- The remaining 235 DLE's return to the 303
- The DE's covering on the 303 transfer to the 72
And I suspect there is also consideration to the proposed bus changes (which may or may not happen) Which was cut the 72 and cover it as follows : • Extend route 49 from White City to East Acton (cut beyond South Kensington, 319, 345 as alternatives) • Extend route 283 from Hammersmith Bus Station to Hammersmith Bridge north side • Extend route 272 from Shepherd’s Bush Green to Hammersmith Bus Station As this is all relatively self contained, and is partly to cover the big developments in White City area I suspect it will go ahead, possibly as early as January when 226 is gained (not delayed until September when 72 contract ends)
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 30, 2022 6:33:16 GMT
Predictions: - The BE's immediately move to the 235
- The DLE's on the 235 return to the K3
- The K3 60regs return to the 33
- The remaining 235 DLE's return to the 303
- The DE's covering on the 303 transfer to the 72
And I suspect there is also consideration to the proposed bus changes (which may or may not happen) Which was cut the 72 and cover it as follows : • Extend route 49 from White City to East Acton (cut beyond South Kensington, 319, 345 as alternatives) • Extend route 283 from Hammersmith Bus Station to Hammersmith Bridge north side • Extend route 272 from Shepherd’s Bush Green to Hammersmith Bus Station As this is all relatively self contained, and is partly to cover the big developments in White City area I suspect it will go ahead, possibly as early as January when 226 is gained (not delayed until September when 72 contract ends) The 49 will be replaced beyond South Ken partially by the 19. I predict that, if it were to go ahead in January, the 49 would continue running to Clapham Junction. This would see some ex 94 BCEs allocated alongside the existing fleet. Also, I predict route 272 would then be allocated ex 72 DEs to cover the frequency increase and extension. One 272 MMC would move to the 283 to complete the allocation, until the 265 is lost and its buses can be used on V's single deck routes.
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Post by paulo on Oct 30, 2022 9:05:48 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why London Sovereign and London United vehicles will now seemingly have operator Vinyls detailing another subsidiary (as in Transit London).
I’m not sure I understand the approach to this. I do get they don't want to keep replacing vinyls when a vehicle transfers between subsidiaries but why pick one and not the others. Why have one mentioned at all?
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Post by VMH2452 on Oct 30, 2022 9:10:19 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why London Sovereign and London United vehicles will now seemingly have operator Vinyls detailing another subsidiary (as in Transit London). I’m not sure I understand the approach to this. I do get they don't want to keep replacing vinyls when a vehicle transfers between subsidiaries but why pick one and not the others. Why have one mentioned at all? The London Transit, London United and London Sovereign brands are all owned by RATP Dev Transit London. RATP Dev Transit London and London Transit are two separate things. London Transit is the operator of X whereas RDTL is the JV company owned by RATP and TT. Someone made a graphic at the time EDIT: Here is the graphic A few months ago, I put together a graphic trying to make sense of the joint venture, based on the thin (and in some cases, completely incorrect) information given in the two companies announcements. Since there's evidently still some confusion over what RATP Dev Transit London is, what London Transit is, and how all the companies fit together, I've updated the graphic and added some new information, which I hope will make things clearer. The structures of the joint venture and the various companies is a bit complicated - so if you're struggling to get your head around it all, I don't blame you! I hope the graphic helps ( click on it to view a larger version!). To summarise: the joint venture (RDTL) is owned by both RATP (87.5%) and Kelsian Group/Tower Transit (12.5%). RDTL owns 100% of United and Sovereign, as well as the new London Transit Limited, which was set up to manage Westbourne Park operations. As wholly owned subsidiaries of RDLT, the United, Sovereign and Transit fleets will (eventually...) all operate under the RATP Dev Transit London brand. Tower Transit operations at Lea Interchange remain wholly owned and branded by Kelsian/TT. Obviously since that was made, LI operations have been sold.
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 30, 2022 9:21:17 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why London Sovereign and London United vehicles will now seemingly have operator Vinyls detailing another subsidiary (as in Transit London). I’m not sure I understand the approach to this. I do get they don't want to keep replacing vinyls when a vehicle transfers between subsidiaries but why pick one and not the others. Why have one mentioned at all? Because that is now the name of the company that owns them. They seem to be doing away with localised trading names. Just the same as Arriva and Stagecoach use group branding. Using your scenario it would also be wrong for X as that is London Transit. www.ratpdevtransitlondon.com/group"RATP Dev Transit London is one of the largest bus operators in London, running 1,250 buses and carrying some 250 million customers every year safely to their destinations. We run 112 routes in and around the capital, mostly under contract to Transport for London (TfL), the capital’s transport authority. TfL has ‘ownership’ of all bus routes in London and awards them to bus operators through a competitive tendering process, usually for a term of seven years."
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 30, 2022 9:25:13 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why London Sovereign and London United vehicles will now seemingly have operator Vinyls detailing another subsidiary (as in Transit London). I’m not sure I understand the approach to this. I do get they don't want to keep replacing vinyls when a vehicle transfers between subsidiaries but why pick one and not the others. Why have one mentioned at all? The London Transit, London United and London Sovereign brands are all owned by RATP Dev Transit London. RATP Dev Transit London and London Transit are two separate things. London Transit is the operator of X whereas RDTL is the JV company owned by RATP and TT. Someone made a graphic at the time EDIT: Here is the graphic Obviously since that was made, LI operations have been sold. Got me thinking: would it be a good idea to rename the thread 'RATP Dev Transit London' as that is now the official name of the joint venture?
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 30, 2022 9:27:42 GMT
It's been said on Facebook that the reason the WLS (WV) class Streetlites have been stored so all of their issues are ironed out.
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Post by dragonman on Oct 30, 2022 10:26:02 GMT
To get rid of the old TT moquette This comes up time and time again. Why would they spend money refurbishing them just to get rid of TT moquette? buses are nearly always only refurbished for tender renewals. one exception to this are the TEs allocated to the 92 as Metroline only started refurbishing them in 2020 when they were more than halfway through their contract.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 30, 2022 11:02:41 GMT
I was wondering that too. 203 would take some of the H91s VHs and the rest could be used to replace the Streetdecks? This of course is just speculation. That would just about work. Alternatively, if plans can change, there's just enough TT VHs to cover the TVR of the 203. I don't suppose anyone's heard anything about which hybrids the 203 will receive? It won't be the TT VHs as they are for the 340. The H91's VHs have been earmarked for the H98 so unlikely to be those. I predict it'll be those freed by the 85 cut and some other spares.
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 30, 2022 11:04:22 GMT
That would just about work. Alternatively, if plans can change, there's just enough TT VHs to cover the TVR of the 203. I don't suppose anyone's heard anything about which hybrids the 203 will receive? It won't be the TT VHs as they are for the 340. The H91's VHs have been earmarked for the H98 so unlikely to be those. I predict it'll be those freed by the 85 cut and some other spares. The H91s VHs were rumoured not confirmed for the H98.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 30, 2022 11:31:18 GMT
I was wondering that too. 203 would take some of the H91s VHs and the rest could be used to replace the Streetdecks? This of course is just speculation. That would just about work. Alternatively, if plans can change, there's just enough TT VHs to cover the TVR of the 203. I don't suppose anyone's heard anything about which hybrids the 203 will receive? If the C3 gets withdrawn as proposed, and the OMEs fully convert the 28 - perhaps the 452 could then be fully allocated the 13reg VHs? This would allow the non-standard VDWs and WHs to be withdrawn (or sent off lease) if RATP are looking to standardise. Then the 452's part allocation of VMHs could go to the 340 (keeping all of the Evosetis at BT) along with the 2x ADHs, with the BU16 VHs instead going to the 203?
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 30, 2022 11:56:02 GMT
That would just about work. Alternatively, if plans can change, there's just enough TT VHs to cover the TVR of the 203. I don't suppose anyone's heard anything about which hybrids the 203 will receive? If the C3 gets withdrawn as proposed, and the OMEs fully convert the 28 - perhaps the 452 could then be fully allocated the 13reg VHs? This would allow the non-standard VDWs and WHs to be withdrawn (or sent off lease) if RATP are looking to standardise. Then the 452's part allocation of VMHs could go to the 340 (keeping all of the Evosetis at BT) along with the 2x ADHs, with the BU16 VHs instead going to the 203? I personally see the 414 allocated the VHs not needed to withdraw the VDWs for the extension/frequency increase. The ADHs would be used to support allocations on the E1/E3 and maybe see some other ADEs off.
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Post by Jack on Oct 30, 2022 12:04:54 GMT
No I never! Others in the thread were speculating about the Streetlites! Go have a look it’s only a couple of posts back! oh you mean the streetlites are the only ones getting refurbished? Will the VDWs get the RATP blue moquette as well? Please stop jumping to conclusions and refer to the LOTS Statement posted.
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