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Post by COBO on Nov 2, 2022 13:37:33 GMT
Once more electric routes become established across the various RATP garages, do you think it's likely we'll see some of the OMEs ending up at garages like BT as they get shuffled about, and some of the BCEs ending up at X in their place? Why will the OMEs move they are contracted to the 23 and C3?
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Post by dragonman on Nov 2, 2022 13:56:31 GMT
Once more electric routes become established across the various RATP garages, do you think it's likely we'll see some of the OMEs ending up at garages like BT as they get shuffled about, and some of the BCEs ending up at X in their place? Why will the OMEs move they are contracted to the 23 and C3? i didn't mean will they all move, i meant is it likely some of them could get swapped around in the future (including years down the line when they are older) as often happens with VHs and previously with SPs a lot as well.
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Post by COBO on Nov 2, 2022 14:11:14 GMT
SO was originally expanded because it needed more room but that room has been taken by electric charging facilities. With TfL wanting buses to be fully electric or hydrogen by a certain date in the future. With RP not being able to have an electric facility and SO not having much space caused by electric charging facility how would RATP compete with other operators in North West London if space is a problem?
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Post by COBO on Nov 2, 2022 14:18:49 GMT
Why will the OMEs move they are contracted to the 23 and C3? i didn't mean will they all move, i meant is it likely some of them could get swapped around in the future (including years down the line when they are older) as often happens with VHs and previously with SPs a lot as well. The OMEs will probably stay at X.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 2, 2022 14:55:58 GMT
Why will the OMEs move they are contracted to the 23 and C3? i didn't mean will they all move, i meant is it likely some of them could get swapped around in the future (including years down the line when they are older) as often happens with VHs and previously with SPs a lot as well. I never really get questions like this as no one knows unless they have a crystal ball.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 16:00:06 GMT
I would imagine RATP along with all the other firms have a property strategy. Having X ( & V quite spacious ) provides a solution to RP potentially being used for housing in the future. Although property developers are pretty useless when factoring in public transport. It’s all very well putting up houses and flats but buses have to run from somewhere.
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Post by dragonman on Nov 2, 2022 16:11:54 GMT
i didn't mean will they all move, i meant is it likely some of them could get swapped around in the future (including years down the line when they are older) as often happens with VHs and previously with SPs a lot as well. I never really get questions like this as no one knows unless they have a crystal ball. i was just asking if it was likely more than anything. If the way SPs got shuffled about is anything to go by (especially during their last few years of service) then hopefully some of them will. Hope you're enjoying your day so far by the way and not working too hard!
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Post by paulo on Nov 2, 2022 16:49:54 GMT
I would imagine RATP along with all the other firms have a property strategy. Having X ( & V quite spacious ) provides a solution to RP potentially being used for housing in the future. Although property developers are pretty useless when factoring in public transport. It’s all very well putting up houses and flats but buses have to run from somewhere. I would have thought that the potential RP lease issue would have been a strong consideration if not the main consideration for the coming together of RATP and Transit Systems in West London. Pretty sure all existing routes could be accommodated with a shuffle amongst the remaining garages should Park Royal close. It may hinder new tender wins though (perhaps it already has).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 16:56:15 GMT
I would imagine RATP along with all the other firms have a property strategy. Having X ( & V quite spacious ) provides a solution to RP potentially being used for housing in the future. Although property developers are pretty useless when factoring in public transport. It’s all very well putting up houses and flats but buses have to run from somewhere. I would have thought that the potential RP lease issue would have been a strong consideration if not the main consideration for the coming together of RATP and Transit Systems in West London. Pretty sure all existing routes could be accommodated with a shuffle amongst the remaining garages should Park Royal close. It may hinder new tender wins though (perhaps it already has). Ideally they need a bigger place in NW London
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Post by LK65EBO on Nov 2, 2022 20:26:22 GMT
Not sure what was going on here but saw BV66GYA (Citaro K) with RATP logo on blinds and hazards on at Feltham Station / Victoria Road bus stop. Went past the same bus again an hour later and was still there with it's hazards on. Bus was completely dark inside and didn't seem to be any driver there. Was also an ambulance behind.
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Post by dragonman on Nov 2, 2022 23:00:37 GMT
If the 13 reg VHs had stayed at BT for the 28, then
(1) would it have been manageable operating them from there, in terms of the distance to & from Kensal Rise
(2) when doing their dead runs would they have taken the exact same route as the 302 as far as Burnt Oak Broadway, where they would've turned onto the Edgware Road for the remainder of the journey to BT (and vice versa the other way)?
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Post by COBO on Nov 2, 2022 23:13:34 GMT
If the 13 reg VHs had stayed at BT for the 28, then (1) would it have been manageable operating them from there, in terms of the distance to & from Kensal Rise (2) when doing their dead runs would they have taken the exact same route as the 302 as far as Burnt Oak Broadway, where they would've turned onto the Edgware Road for the remainder of the journey to BT (and vice versa the other way)? Why would the 28 be operated from BT?
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Post by dragonman on Nov 3, 2022 0:15:59 GMT
If the 13 reg VHs had stayed at BT for the 28, then (1) would it have been manageable operating them from there, in terms of the distance to & from Kensal Rise (2) when doing their dead runs would they have taken the exact same route as the 302 as far as Burnt Oak Broadway, where they would've turned onto the Edgware Road for the remainder of the journey to BT (and vice versa the other way)? Why would the 28 be operated from BT? i was asking if it had been operated from BT; before it was initially decided that it would be operated from J (with a oart allocation at V), we used to speculate on here about the garages which would it would be most likely be run from, and both RP and BT often came up. So i was therefore wondering how it would've fared at BT and whether BT wouldn't been too far for Kensal Rise or a reasonable distance. And would the dead runs have always gone the exact same route as the 302 as far as burnt oak before turning off for Edgware?
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Post by COBO on Nov 3, 2022 0:24:30 GMT
Why would the 28 be operated from BT? i was asking if it had been operated from BT; before it was initially decided that it would be operated from J (with a oart allocation at V), we used to speculate on here about the garages which would it would be most likely be run from, and both RP and BT often came up. So i was therefore wondering how it would've fared at BT and whether BT wouldn't been too far for Kensal Rise or a reasonable distance. And would the dead runs have always gone the exact same route as the 302 as far as burnt oak before turning off for Edgware? But BT is a lot further away from the route than RP was and wouldn’t have been ideal garage for route. It probably would have gone down the 32 to Staples Corner, then the 182 to Neasden, then the 297 and the 6 to Kensal Rise.
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Post by i3lu on Nov 3, 2022 6:37:48 GMT
If the 13 reg VHs had stayed at BT for the 28, then (1) would it have been manageable operating them from there, in terms of the distance to & from Kensal Rise (2) when doing their dead runs would they have taken the exact same route as the 302 as far as Burnt Oak Broadway, where they would've turned onto the Edgware Road for the remainder of the journey to BT (and vice versa the other way)? Why would the 28 be operated from BT? 28 was awarded to London Sovereign but transferred to London United probably because BT/SO were too far.
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