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Post by paulo on Dec 4, 2022 0:05:02 GMT
Has anyone heard anything about London United West and London United East? No idea but apparently there are now 4 subsidiaries; London United West, London United East, London Sovereign and London Transit. East being V, S and RP one would presume. Sounds like a move to help absorb a competitor to me. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Dec 4, 2022 0:05:10 GMT
Has anyone heard anything about London United West and London United East? No idea but apparently there are now 4 subsidiaries; London United West, London United East, London Sovereign and London Transit. Which garages are part of the London United East subsidiary? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 4:45:21 GMT
No idea but apparently there are now 4 subsidiaries; London United West, London United East, London Sovereign and London Transit. Which garages are part of the London United East subsidiary? Sounds utterly ridiculous to me. You can’t have an East subsidiary based in West London. The furthest east they go not including X is S, and V. You can hardly say they are “east”. Unless there is some sort of purchase or tender win in East London. But if that’s the case why didn’t they agree with TT to purchase LI as well as X. All sounds peculiar to me. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 4, 2022 7:38:04 GMT
Which garages are part of the London United East subsidiary? Sounds utterly ridiculous to me. You can’t have an East subsidiary based in West London. The furthest east they go not including X is S, and V. You can hardly say they are “east”. Unless there is some sort of purchase or tender win in East London. But if that’s the case why didn’t they agree with TT to purchase LI as well as X. All sounds peculiar to me. They do have a garage in Rainham where Original Tour buses (or TOOT if you prefer) are based. |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 4, 2022 8:02:24 GMT
Has anyone heard anything about London United West and London United East? No idea but apparently there are now 4 subsidiaries; London United West, London United East, London Sovereign and London Transit. When you say subsidiaries, do you mean operating limited companies, operators licences, or a management structure? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 4, 2022 8:02:55 GMT
Sounds utterly ridiculous to me. You can’t have an East subsidiary based in West London. The furthest east they go not including X is S, and V. You can hardly say they are “east”. Unless there is some sort of purchase or tender win in East London. But if that’s the case why didn’t they agree with TT to purchase LI as well as X. All sounds peculiar to me. They do have a garage in Rainham where Original Tour buses (or TOOT if you prefer) are based. If I’m not mistaken that is gone. But even if they did TOOT is not part of their TfL operations and is it’s own business with a separate management structure. |
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Post by snowman on Dec 4, 2022 8:22:15 GMT
I am hearing rumours that the WLS streetlites are going off lease, does anyone know if this is true. Was told they may be back temporarily from January until BE37085-37101 (the batch for 226) are in service. However thinking about it the DDEs will also be coming spare (when 470 is lost) Only 14 WLS (currently stored), 17 new BEs (don’t know when they will arrive), 7 DDEs (excluding the burnt out one), rather suggests some of the older DEs are vulnerable too. I doubt the DDE’s will replace any DE’s given they are a shorter length. The 226 will need something to start it off so if the WLS do go off lease, then I guess they’ll be borrowing DE’s from Metroline or double decking something else to release single deckers One of the DDEs did get used on K5 yesterday But at time of typing, none are in use Wonder if the DDEs will just stay parked, and disposed of, still a chance they will be used from 7th January (when 226 which was deferred is taken over). 7th Jan is also date 142 and 642 are lost, with 635 lost following week At this stage can’t rule out something get temporary double deck workings if both WLS and DDE leave, until BE37085-37101 are ready. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 4, 2022 11:04:11 GMT
No idea but apparently there are now 4 subsidiaries; London United West, London United East, London Sovereign and London Transit. East being V, S and RP one would presume. Sounds like a move to help absorb a competitor to me. Couldn't RATP just move a few more garages into London Transit, rather than creating a new subsidary? Or even could have kept the Quality Line licence for TV, FW etc? |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 4, 2022 11:06:39 GMT
I doubt the DDE’s will replace any DE’s given they are a shorter length. The 226 will need something to start it off so if the WLS do go off lease, then I guess they’ll be borrowing DE’s from Metroline or double decking something else to release single deckers One of the DDEs did get used on K5 yesterday But at time of typing, none are in use Wonder if the DDEs will just stay parked, and disposed of, still a chance they will be used from 7th January (when 226 which was deferred is taken over). 7th Jan is also date 142 and 642 are lost, with 635 lost following week At this stage can’t rule out something get temporary double deck workings if both WLS and DDE leave, until BE37085-37101 are ready. If a DD conversion is necessary - since the 226 is now going to BT, a simple solution could be to keep the 142's ADEs there for use on the 288 and 303? Also if the Streetlites do go off lease, wouldn't the DEs currently on the 228 be too old for the current contract, which was awarded on the basis of 17/68reg? |
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Post by danorak on Dec 4, 2022 12:41:05 GMT
Has anyone heard anything about London United West and London United East? No idea but apparently there are now 4 subsidiaries; London United West, London United East, London Sovereign and London Transit. Nothing of this nature was mentioned at Andy Corbett's presentation to LOTS on Monday, which set out the company structure under RATP. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 4, 2022 13:08:31 GMT
One of the DDEs did get used on K5 yesterday But at time of typing, none are in use Wonder if the DDEs will just stay parked, and disposed of, still a chance they will be used from 7th January (when 226 which was deferred is taken over). 7th Jan is also date 142 and 642 are lost, with 635 lost following week The DDEs are remaining with the company for the time being according to a driver, however the future use for them as of now is unknown. I guess the S2 could be an option out of TV like the 470. 439 would be too far away and I think is restricted to 9m buses. |
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Post by YX10FFN on Dec 4, 2022 16:18:45 GMT
The DDEs are remaining with the company for the time being according to a driver, however the future use for them as of now is unknown. I guess the S2 could be an option out of TV like the 470. 439 would be too far away and I think is restricted to 9m buses. In an ideal world the Sutton changes would've happened yesterday, with the DDEs going straight on the S2 and the 470 properly using its shorter buses. Alas |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 4, 2022 16:23:51 GMT
I guess the S2 could be an option out of TV like the 470. 439 would be too far away and I think is restricted to 9m buses. In an ideal world the Sutton changes would've happened yesterday, with the DDEs going straight on the S2 and the 470 properly using its shorter buses. Alas There is no guarantee that TV would have won the S2. I would say it's very unlikely they will when indeed route S2 is tendered. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 4, 2022 16:24:36 GMT
I guess the S2 could be an option out of TV like the 470. 439 would be too far away and I think is restricted to 9m buses. In an ideal world the Sutton changes would've happened yesterday, with the DDEs going straight on the S2 and the 470 properly using its shorter buses. Alas A better solution might have been for the new 470 contract (at Go Ahead) to use dual-door buses - and with the S2 later taking over that contract when introduced. Then award the revised 470 as a seperate contract later on? |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 4, 2022 16:27:41 GMT
One of the DDEs did get used on K5 yesterday But at time of typing, none are in use Wonder if the DDEs will just stay parked, and disposed of, still a chance they will be used from 7th January (when 226 which was deferred is taken over). 7th Jan is also date 142 and 642 are lost, with 635 lost following week The DDEs are remaining with the company for the time being according to a driver, however the future use for them as of now is unknown. Perhaps a H20 or H26 bid if they can fit? Or even if not, could work indirectly by upgrading the K5 to release SDEs? |
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