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Aug 3, 2024 12:52:04 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 3, 2024 12:52:04 GMT
But independent operator is usually an operator owned by an individual or small group of individuals. I don’t think you can pigeonhole Uno’s ownership in any way - I don’t think any bus operator in the UK can be compared ownership wise to Uno! That is what I stated ... it can not be compared to an independent operator.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 3, 2024 13:24:31 GMT
Uno will therefore be the north London independent, just as Transport UK is the south and west London independent. All other London bus routes are run by owners of what was LBL, albeit in some cases through acquisition of former independents, not necessarily in the same areas of London. You have a funny definition of independent if you are applying it to a university owned operator. Although in the unique position (for a bus company) of being wholly owned by a University, it is a commercial enterprise and operationally it has the characteristics of an independent company.
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Aug 3, 2024 13:31:59 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 3, 2024 13:31:59 GMT
You have a funny definition of independent if you are applying it to a university owned operator. Although in the unique position (for a bus company) of being wholly owned by a University, it is a commercial enterprise and operationally it has the characteristics of an independent company. On that basis, if Amazon decided to bring their various bus contracts in house ... would you classify them as an independent?
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 3, 2024 14:01:56 GMT
Although in the unique position (for a bus company) of being wholly owned by a University, it is a commercial enterprise and operationally it has the characteristics of an independent company. On that basis, if Amazon decided to bring their various bus contracts in house ... would you classify them as an independent? No I wouldn't. Amazon's size, structure and multi-national organisation is vastly different to the relationship between Uno and University of Hertfordshire.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 3, 2024 14:18:51 GMT
On that basis, if Amazon decided to bring their various bus contracts in house ... would you classify them as an independent? No I wouldn't. Amazon's size, structure and multi-national organisation is vastly different to the relationship between Uno and University of Hertfordshire. So if you are saying a company backed by an organisation with a £383m annual turnover is comparable to one backed by a single guy ... then suppose they are comparable so both must be classified as independents. Kind of brings mockery to the term though!
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 3, 2024 14:24:30 GMT
No I wouldn't. Amazon's size, structure and multi-national organisation is vastly different to the relationship between Uno and University of Hertfordshire. So if you are saying a company backed by an organisation with a £383m annual turnover is comparable to one backed by a single guy ... then suppose they are comparable so both must be classified as independents. Kind of brings mockery to the term though! It's you that seems to be doing the mocking.
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Post by thekbq14 on Aug 3, 2024 14:29:38 GMT
Uno will therefore be the north London independent, just as Transport UK is the south and west London independent. All other London bus routes are run by owners of what was LBL, albeit in some cases through acquisition of former independents, not necessarily in the same areas of London. Both aren't independent and that's ok. Uno is owned by a university. Whilst Transport UK were Abellio -> Travel London (National Express again) -> Connex -> Limebourne -> National Express, but just got bought by management when the Dutch Government sold it. But I'm guessing you're talking about the original LRT subsidiaries (e.g. Forest, Leaside, London Central etc.) which then got bought out by and are now London's Big 5 in (Arriva, Stagecoach, Go Ahead, Metroline, RATP), then you will be correct, which is crazy to see. However I think another term from Independent needs to be used.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 3, 2024 18:47:19 GMT
Uno will therefore be the north London independent, just as Transport UK is the south and west London independent. All other London bus routes are run by owners of what was LBL, albeit in some cases through acquisition of former independents, not necessarily in the same areas of London. Both aren't independent and that's ok. Uno is owned by a university. Whilst Transport UK were Abellio -> Travel London (National Express again) -> Connex -> Limebourne -> National Express, but just got bought by management when the Dutch Government sold it. But I'm guessing you're talking about the original LRT subsidiaries (e.g. Forest, Leaside, London Central etc.) which then got bought out by and are now London's Big 5 in (Arriva, Stagecoach, Go Ahead, Metroline, RATP), then you will be correct, which is crazy to see. However I think another term from Independent needs to be used. Yes, I was referring to owners of former LBL companies and how they have further expanded, some outside the area. So, examples are GA (purchasing London Central and then acquiring for example Blue Triangle and First NP), Metroline purchasing Armchair and RATP owning London United then purchasing London Sovereign. Arriva have hardly purchased anything outside their LBL acquisitions and pre-owned Grey Green.
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Uno
Aug 3, 2024 21:50:11 GMT
Post by redexpress on Aug 3, 2024 21:50:11 GMT
Both aren't independent and that's ok. Uno is owned by a university. Whilst Transport UK were Abellio -> Travel London (National Express again) -> Connex -> Limebourne -> National Express, but just got bought by management when the Dutch Government sold it. But I'm guessing you're talking about the original LRT subsidiaries (e.g. Forest, Leaside, London Central etc.) which then got bought out by and are now London's Big 5 in (Arriva, Stagecoach, Go Ahead, Metroline, RATP), then you will be correct, which is crazy to see. However I think another term from Independent needs to be used. Yes, I was referring to owners of former LBL companies and how they have further expanded, some outside the area. So, examples are GA (purchasing London Central and then acquiring for example Blue Triangle and First NP), Metroline purchasing Armchair and RATP owning London United then purchasing London Sovereign. Arriva have hardly purchased anything outside their LBL acquisitions and pre-owned Grey Green. Cowie/Arriva bought British Bus, which included a number of operations in and around London (the acquisition briefly pushed them over 25% of the London market). They had also bought County Bus in an earlier deal. Most of those acquired operations have since been absorbed into Arriva London. So I wouldn't say they haven't bought anything outside LBL, even if their last major acquisition was over 20 years ago!
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Uno
Aug 3, 2024 23:23:16 GMT
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Post by borneobus on Aug 3, 2024 23:23:16 GMT
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 4, 2024 1:17:02 GMT
Sunday's timetable (from Uno's Facebook)
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Post by COBO on Aug 4, 2024 7:59:09 GMT
So hopefully Uno will have to find spare buses for the 298 before school term starts and all the double deckers currently on it have to go back to their intended school routes. Uno are kind of lucky that school is closed or otherwise they would have no spare buses.
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Uno
Aug 4, 2024 8:21:47 GMT
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Post by eal1ngvolvo483 on Aug 4, 2024 8:21:47 GMT
So hopefully Uno will have to find spare buses for the 298 before school term starts and all the double deckers currently on it have to go back to their intended school routes. Uno are kind of lucky that school is closed or otherwise they would have no spare buses. What spare diesels could UNO use for 298?
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 4, 2024 8:22:42 GMT
So hopefully Uno will have to find spare buses for the 298 before school term starts and all the double deckers currently on it have to go back to their intended school routes. Uno are kind of lucky that school is closed or otherwise they would have no spare buses. It’s not UNO that are lucky it’s the school holidays. It’s TfL and the 298 passengers that are lucky that they have the buses to run the service. UNO may not have agreed to take on the 298 with immediate effect if it was school term and those buses were already being used for the school routes.
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Uno
Aug 4, 2024 8:44:52 GMT
Post by DT 11 on Aug 4, 2024 8:44:52 GMT
So hopefully Uno will have to find spare buses for the 298 before school term starts and all the double deckers currently on it have to go back to their intended school routes. Uno are kind of lucky that school is closed or otherwise they would have no spare buses. It’s not UNO that are lucky it’s the school holidays. It’s TfL and the 298 passengers that are lucky that they have the buses to run the service. UNO may not have agreed to take on the 298 with immediate effect if it was school term and those buses were already being used for the school routes. In addition in relation to the 298 TFL would have probably asked another operator to step in with the 298 if UNO could not such as Metroline even if it was a reduced service.
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