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Post by Connor on May 21, 2013 14:16:36 GMT
Could the 24 be extended from Pimlico to Clapham Junction (via Chelsea Bridge, Queenstown Road and Lavender Hill)? The 170 needs another route helping out the Victoria-Clapham Junction bit.
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Post by jay38a on May 21, 2013 14:42:21 GMT
Get rid of the unusual loop working on the B12 at Joydens Wood and extend it to Crayford Sainsburys
Option A via Old Bexley Lane, Shepards Lane, Heather Drive (return Knoll Road), Chastillian Road, Station Road and Crayford Road
Option B via Old Bexley Lane, Shepards Lane, Rochester Way, Swan Lane, Galloway Drive, Melrose Ave, Bascombe Grove (open up the closed road between there and Lower Station Road to Buses Only), Lower Station Road, Station Road and Crayford Road. This option provides a bus service to the newly built estate around Melrose Ave.
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2013 15:01:22 GMT
Could the 24 be extended from Pimlico to Clapham Junction (via Battersea Bridge, Queenstown Road and Lavender Hill)? The 170 needs another route helping out the Victoria-Clapham Junction bit. Or extend the 219 to Vauxhall and divert the 156 from Battersea Park via the 44 to Victoria? Prefer this idea to extending the 24 - might be the case to double deck the 219 as well. |
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Post by twobellstogo on May 22, 2013 8:23:09 GMT
I'm almost left wondering if the way to serve Kidbrooke Estate from NOG is to extend the 129 to give a Greenwich - NOG - Kidbrooke service. The only problem might be the double run on the North Greenwich peninsula. I know extending the B16 has been suggested lots of times but that would be overloaded with people from further out from Kidbrooke once the extension became established. How about sending the 129 straight down the A102 to the Sun in the Sands roundabout after North Greenwich? So it would be Greenwich - North Greenwich Sainsbury's - North Greenwich Station - straight to A102 - Sun in the Sands - Kidbrooke Park Road - Kidbrooke Estate. |
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Post by M1104 on May 22, 2013 11:29:34 GMT
Could the 24 be extended from Pimlico to Clapham Junction (via Battersea Bridge, Queenstown Road and Lavender Hill)? The 170 needs another route helping out the Victoria-Clapham Junction bit. I take it you meant Chelsea Bridge. Battersea Bridge is two bridges west along the Thames, the other side of Battersea Park. |
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Post by jay38a on May 22, 2013 13:16:17 GMT
I'm almost left wondering if the way to serve Kidbrooke Estate from NOG is to extend the 129 to give a Greenwich - NOG - Kidbrooke service. The only problem might be the double run on the North Greenwich peninsula. I know extending the B16 has been suggested lots of times but that would be overloaded with people from further out from Kidbrooke once the extension became established. How about sending the 129 straight down the A102 to the Sun in the Sands roundabout after North Greenwich? So it would be Greenwich - North Greenwich Sainsbury's - North Greenwich Station - straight to A102 - Sun in the Sands - Kidbrooke Park Road - Kidbrooke Estate. Couldn't another option be to cut the 386 back to Greenwich again and extend the 129 to Blackheath then onto Kidbrooke Estate either via Lee Green or via some back roads currently unserved but they have massive houses down them so may not want a bus every 12 mins, so via Lee Green maybe the better option. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards |
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Post by beaver14uk on May 29, 2013 20:52:17 GMT
This a great suggestion. I know a link is always requested between these two places. Get rid of the unusual loop working on the B12 at Joydens Wood and extend it to Crayford Sainsburys Option A via Old Bexley Lane, Shepards Lane, Heather Drive (return Knoll Road), Chastillian Road, Station Road and Crayford Road Option B via Old Bexley Lane, Shepards Lane, Rochester Way, Swan Lane, Galloway Drive, Melrose Ave, Bascombe Grove (open up the closed road between there and Lower Station Road to Buses Only), Lower Station Road, Station Road and Crayford Road. This option provides a bus service to the newly built estate around Melrose Ave. |
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Post by Connor on May 29, 2013 21:14:50 GMT
How about extending the 101 to Chingford Station?
From Wanstead, along the W13 (which can then be withdrawn) to Woodford Green, then via Chingford Lane, Friday Hill and Kings Road, to Chingford Station. Lots of new links there but might make the route a bit long.
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Post by moz on May 31, 2013 22:35:46 GMT
With the 11 going over to Borismaster in the near future and some uncertainty about whether they can use the Bus Station at LS, might I suggest a swap of termini with the 17 from St. Paul's eastwards? A London Bridge - Trafalgar Square link would be a goldmine and remove one of the major Central area link black holes that currently exist. The move of the 17 to Liv. St. would certainly help out people who need inner NW London, especially since the removal of the 214 to Moorgate. Frequency might be an issue as the 17 is less frequent than the 11, so the 23 could probably use a boost to support such a change. Alternatively I suppose the 11 could be cut back to Aldwych and the 9 re-extended to Liverpool Street  Moz |
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Post by snoggle on May 31, 2013 23:47:53 GMT
With the 11 going over to Borismaster in the near future and some uncertainty about whether they can use the Bus Station at LS, might I suggest a swap of termini with the 17 from St. Paul's eastwards? A London Bridge - Trafalgar Square link would be a goldmine and remove one of the major Central area link black holes that currently exist. The move of the 17 to Liv. St. would certainly help out people who need inner NW London, especially since the removal of the 214 to Moorgate. Frequency might be an issue as the 17 is less frequent than the 11, so the 23 could probably use a boost to support such a change. Alternatively I suppose the 11 could be cut back to Aldwych and the 9 re-extended to Liverpool Street Moz Increasing the 23 would put more buses down Oxford Street and we aren't allowed to upset the great shopkeeping God. If we want a T Sq - London Bridge link you might as well extend the 139 on from Waterloo via Stamford Street or possibly the Cut and then then Stamford St. This is somewhat less congested than via Fleet St and St Pauls apart from by Borough Market. Of course there's no money and nothing obvious to cut back to create some resource for such an extension. Isn't the 214 due to return to Liverpool St fairly soon? I think it was in TLB recently. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 1, 2013 11:34:17 GMT
With the 11 going over to Borismaster in the near future and some uncertainty about whether they can use the Bus Station at LS, might I suggest a swap of termini with the 17 from St. Paul's eastwards? A London Bridge - Trafalgar Square link would be a goldmine and remove one of the major Central area link black holes that currently exist. The move of the 17 to Liv. St. would certainly help out people who need inner NW London, especially since the removal of the 214 to Moorgate. Frequency might be an issue as the 17 is less frequent than the 11, so the 23 could probably use a boost to support such a change. Alternatively I suppose the 11 could be cut back to Aldwych and the 9 re-extended to Liverpool Street Moz Increasing the 23 would put more buses down Oxford Street and we aren't allowed to upset the great shopkeeping God. If we want a T Sq - London Bridge link you might as well extend the 139 on from Waterloo via Stamford Street or possibly the Cut and then then Stamford St. This is somewhat less congested than via Fleet St and St Pauls apart from by Borough Market. Of course there's no money and nothing obvious to cut back to create some resource for such an extension. Isn't the 214 due to return to Liverpool St fairly soon? I think it was in TLB recently. How about a short projection of the RV1 from Aldwych to T Sq, and if something has to be cut back to fund it, put the 91 in the current RV1 terminal at Aldwych/Covent Garden? |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 1, 2013 11:52:09 GMT
How about extending the 101 to Chingford Station? From Wanstead, along the W13 (which can then be withdrawn) to Woodford Green, then via Chingford Lane, Friday Hill and Kings Road, to Chingford Station. Lots of new links there but might make the route a bit long. I don't think it would work. The frequencies and demand levels are inconsistent and you would overbus the section north of Wanstead - especially at weekends. I also suspect that the route would not be reliable leading to curtailments on the northern end thus giving a bad service for Wanstead and Woodford residents. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 1, 2013 11:56:17 GMT
Increasing the 23 would put more buses down Oxford Street and we aren't allowed to upset the great shopkeeping God. If we want a T Sq - London Bridge link you might as well extend the 139 on from Waterloo via Stamford Street or possibly the Cut and then then Stamford St. This is somewhat less congested than via Fleet St and St Pauls apart from by Borough Market. Of course there's no money and nothing obvious to cut back to create some resource for such an extension. Isn't the 214 due to return to Liverpool St fairly soon? I think it was in TLB recently. How about a short projection of the RV1 from Aldwych to T Sq, and if something has to be cut back to fund it, put the 91 in the current RV1 terminal at Aldwych/Covent Garden? The RV1 idea is neat but if there is the big demand that Moz hints at the Hydrogen buses would be inadequate. The RV1 does load to capacity already so more demand would need a type change and I doubt TfL would countenance that. The RV1 is very unusual in that the contract has been extended multiple times without retendering. First have kept it since it started which is something like 10 years. Breaking the Charing Cross - Holborn link provided by the 91 would not be popular as the 91 is pretty quick and far more convenient than the tube given the long access times at CX and poor interchanges with the Picc at Leicester Square or Picc Circus. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 12:24:15 GMT
With the 11 going over to Borismaster in the near future and some uncertainty about whether they can use the Bus Station at LS, might I suggest a swap of termini with the 17 from St. Paul's eastwards? A London Bridge - Trafalgar Square link would be a goldmine and remove one of the major Central area link black holes that currently exist. The move of the 17 to Liv. St. would certainly help out people who need inner NW London, especially since the removal of the 214 to Moorgate. Frequency might be an issue as the 17 is less frequent than the 11, so the 23 could probably use a boost to support such a change. Alternatively I suppose the 11 could be cut back to Aldwych and the 9 re-extended to Liverpool Street Moz Until the 9 is converted to 'Borismaster' and the same problem reoccurs |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 12:25:27 GMT
How about a short projection of the RV1 from Aldwych to T Sq, and if something has to be cut back to fund it, put the 91 in the current RV1 terminal at Aldwych/Covent Garden? The RV1 idea is neat but if there is the big demand that Moz hints at the Hydrogen buses would be inadequate. The RV1 does load to capacity already so more demand would need a type change and I doubt TfL would countenance that. The RV1 is very unusual in that the contract has been extended multiple times without retendering. First have kept it since it started which is something like 10 years. Breaking the Charing Cross - Holborn link provided by the 91 would not be popular as the 91 is pretty quick and far more convenient than the tube given the long access times at CX and poor interchanges with the Picc at Leicester Square or Picc Circus. As it is the 91 is somewhat inadequate for the CX-Holborn link so cutting it would be a defo nono  |
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