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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2013 0:07:27 GMT
Wouldn't it be best if another route was extended or re-routed around Pepys Estate in Deptford, just to help out the 199 as sometimes (especially on schooldays) the route can be packed up. Maybe route 1 was extended there and terminated around Dunnage Crescent as there would be no stand space if the route went further than there or even maybe route P12 was extended there.
Also, wouldn't it be best if a route was introduced to run from Surrey Quays or South Bermondsey to somewhere in East London via Rotherhithe Tunnel the same like the former 395 that ran through there as it would provide links to East London rather than people having to go through Blackwall Tunnel especially when 108 is always jam-packed with people. Rotherhithe Tunnel has a width restriction which was narrowed further not long ago and so no bus could get through. The last route to run through the Tunnel was the 395 with Mercedes-Benz 411CDi Koch Minibuses and was withdrawn due to low patronage.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 28, 2013 7:15:13 GMT
Wouldn't it be best if another route was extended or re-routed around Pepys Estate in Deptford, just to help out the 199 as sometimes (especially on schooldays) the route can be packed up. Maybe route 1 was extended there and terminated around Dunnage Crescent as there would be no stand space if the route went further than there or even maybe route P12 was extended there.
Also, wouldn't it be best if a route was introduced to run from Surrey Quays or South Bermondsey to somewhere in East London via Rotherhithe Tunnel the same like the former 395 that ran through there as it would provide links to East London rather than people having to go through Blackwall Tunnel especially when 108 is always jam-packed with people. Another route does not need to serve Pepys Estate. Regarding School Days, Almost every single London bus route is busy during the school rush. There's no point running a new route via Pepys Estate when the 199 is in the off peaks is carrying a load of people which could cope inside a single decker. It starts getting busier later in the day but the 199 can cope. The 108 should remain as the only Blackwall Tunnel Link as it is not easy to operate. The 129 could be extended to Lewisham via the 199 and double decked. In fact tbh the 129 could be made of some use if it went to Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage. Creating new links to North Greenwich from Catford. Route 1 extended to Bellingham via the 199 and the PVR merged to 26 at a Frequency of every 8 minutes.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2013 10:01:05 GMT
Wouldn't it be best if another route was extended or re-routed around Pepys Estate in Deptford, just to help out the 199 as sometimes (especially on schooldays) the route can be packed up. Maybe route 1 was extended there and terminated around Dunnage Crescent as there would be no stand space if the route went further than there or even maybe route P12 was extended there.
Also, wouldn't it be best if a route was introduced to run from Surrey Quays or South Bermondsey to somewhere in East London via Rotherhithe Tunnel the same like the former 395 that ran through there as it would provide links to East London rather than people having to go through Blackwall Tunnel especially when 108 is always jam-packed with people. On the note of the 108, the reason it gets so many people isn't really because it goes through the Blackwall Tunnel - in fact patronage on that section is relatively low compared to the rest of the route. The heavy patronage comes from people wanting Greenwich Peninsula/North Greenwich from Blackheath and Lewisham, and people wanting local links around Bromley-by-Bow to Stratford. Most people wanting to get to East London from South London either use the ELL or the DLR. Not exactly, the 108 has a lot of patronage during the tunnel - I've been through many occasions in both directions on a jam packed bus.
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 28, 2013 10:27:32 GMT
Not exactly, the 108 has a lot of patronage during the tunnel - I've been through many occasions in both directions on a jam packed bus. Very uncommon that the patronage through the tunnel is that high. Usually they fill up one they're out of the Tunnel, and empty out especially at North Greenwich. Even before the 108 gets to North Greenwich, it is full. But that route is begging for Citaros because it really needs them. I'm happy they at least gained a 2 year extension though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 19:11:34 GMT
598: Chessington World Of Adventures-Worcester Park via Copt Gilders, Mansfield Park, Chessington Industrial Estate, Tolworth, Sunray Estate and Malden Manor. Using 8.9m single deck buses
764: Kingston-New Addington
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 19:13:11 GMT
Very uncommon that the patronage through the tunnel is that high. Usually they fill up one they're out of the Tunnel, and empty out especially at North Greenwich. Even before the 108 gets to North Greenwich, it is full. But that route is begging for Citaros because it really needs them. I'm happy they at least gained a 2 year extension though. It would be good if it got the 507 and 521 citaros with an enhanced frequency to make up for the lack of seats
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 19:57:10 GMT
It would be good if it got the 507 and 521 citaros with an enhanced frequency to make up for the lack of seats If it was a new contract I'm sure they could have more seats added. Thats a good point, but i think that hybrids suit the route quite well. Maybe some gas powered E300's?
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Post by M1104 on Aug 31, 2013 21:01:12 GMT
598: Chessington World Of Adventures-Worcester Park via Copt Gilders, Mansfield Park, Chessington Industrial Estate, Tolworth, Sunray Estate and Malden Manor. Using 8.9m single deck buses 764: Kingston-New Addington An 8.9m bus serving Chessington world of adventures may very likely have capacity issues, especially during weekends and school holidays. When the 152 use to go there it was very well used... and that's when AL were using the 10m Leyland Nationals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 21:17:11 GMT
598: Chessington World Of Adventures-Worcester Park via Copt Gilders, Mansfield Park, Chessington Industrial Estate, Tolworth, Sunray Estate and Malden Manor. Using 8.9m single deck buses 764: Kingston-New Addington An 8.9m bus serving Chessington world of adventures may very likely have capacity issues, especially during weekends and school holidays. When the 152 use to go there it was very well used... and that's when AL were using the 10m Leyland Nationals. Fair Point, maybe terminating at Copt Gilders would be more appropriate (Dont worry about stand issues, it will be only a 5 minute stopover anyway)
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Post by vjaska on Aug 31, 2013 21:33:47 GMT
598: Chessington World Of Adventures-Worcester Park via Copt Gilders, Mansfield Park, Chessington Industrial Estate, Tolworth, Sunray Estate and Malden Manor. Using 8.9m single deck buses 764: Kingston-New Addington What's the reasoning behind these routes & the choice of buses?
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 1, 2013 10:06:40 GMT
598: Chessington World Of Adventures-Worcester Park via Copt Gilders, Mansfield Park, Chessington Industrial Estate, Tolworth, Sunray Estate and Malden Manor. Using 8.9m single deck buses 764: Kingston-New Addington I can't see that New Addington to Kingston Route being a Success. The tramlink and X26 is a better option.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 1, 2013 12:31:57 GMT
764: Kingston-New Addington I can't see that New Addington to Kingston Route being a Success. The tramlink and X26 is a better option. Unless the OP is thinking of a route through Surrey supported by Surrey CC, via such places as Chessington, Epsom, Reigate etc. But as this is a TfL thread, I can't see this as his likely thought.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 20:14:39 GMT
598: Chessington World Of Adventures-Worcester Park via Copt Gilders, Mansfield Park, Chessington Industrial Estate, Tolworth, Sunray Estate and Malden Manor. Using 8.9m single deck buses 764: Kingston-New Addington What's the reasoning behind these routes & the choice of buses? 764 = just for Y.O.L.O 598 = Because thats the only bus that would fit
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Post by l1group on Sept 5, 2013 8:48:17 GMT
392: Chiswick Business Park (as it has spare stand space!) to Brixton (or Streatham Hill), creating a west-south link, via either: 27 to Kensington, 52 to Victoria (doing something the 452 doesn't do!), VCS, Chelsea Bridge, Queenstown Road Stn, Clapham Common, Clapham North to Brixton or - 27 to Olympia, Earl's Court, Cheyne Walk, Battersea Bridge, Battersea Park Road then either as above or via Vauxhall, Stockwell to Brixton or - 27 to Hammersmith, 220 to Wandsworth, Battersea Rise, Clapham Common then either as first scheme or Clapham South, Clapham Park to Streatham/Hill Possible frequency - every 12min. Number reason - just after/more than 391, which it parallels between Olympia/Hammersmith (depending on routing) and Gunnersbury Station
335: White City*/Turnham Green-Harrow for orbital links (and to Harrow/NW London area) From Harrow: via Kenton, Kingsbury, Blackbird Hill, Wembley Park The Paddocks, Neasden (A406), Stonebridge Park, Hanger Lane Gryatory then: via 95 to White City* or: via A406 to Gunnersbury Park then: via A406, Chiswick High Road to Turnham Green or: via Gunnersbury Lane, Bollo Lane, Chiswick Park then: via Acton Green, 94 to Shepherd's Bush and White City* or via Acton Lane to Turnham Green Possible frequency - every 15-19min. This may be affected by traffic on the A406 though...
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2013 12:23:55 GMT
392: Chiswick Business Park (as it has spare stand space!) to Brixton (or Streatham Hill), creating a west-south link, via either: 27 to Kensington, 52 to Victoria (doing something the 452 doesn't do!), VCS, Chelsea Bridge, Queenstown Road Stn, Clapham Common, Clapham North to Brixton or - 27 to Olympia, Earl's Court, Cheyne Walk, Battersea Bridge, Battersea Park Road then either as above or via Vauxhall, Stockwell to Brixton or - 27 to Hammersmith, 220 to Wandsworth, Battersea Rise, Clapham Common then either as first scheme or Clapham South, Clapham Park to Streatham/Hill Possible frequency - every 12min. Number reason - just after/more than 391, which it parallels between Olympia/Hammersmith (depending on routing) and Gunnersbury Station 335: White City*/Turnham Green-Harrow for orbital links (and to Harrow/NW London area) From Harrow: via Kenton, Kingsbury, Blackbird Hill, Wembley Park The Paddocks, Neasden (A406), Stonebridge Park, Hanger Lane Gryatory then: via 95 to White City* or: via A406 to Gunnersbury Park then: via A406, Chiswick High Road to Turnham Green or: via Gunnersbury Lane, Bollo Lane, Chiswick Park then: via Acton Green, 94 to Shepherd's Bush and White City* or via Acton Lane to Turnham Green Possible frequency - every 15-19min. This may be affected by traffic on the A406 though... In your 392 proposal, what route would you go between Clapham North & Brixton because the 322 goes via Landor Road and doesn't need another route just bigger buses, the P5 goes via Bedford Road which has a low bridge and again, doesn't need another route so I'm guessing it would follow the 345 instead?
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