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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 11:22:36 GMT
Kent House Road has a low bridge so the 638 would have to downgrade to single deckers plus the terminus at Anerley isn't that big and already houses the 249 & 432. They would already be single deckers by the time they get to Kent House Road since the low bridge on Southend Lane would have taken care of the upper deck! ;D And with regards the Anerley terminus, haven't we already decided the 432 is being extended to Elmers End? Actually, I think basing a route on the 638 is a bit of a non-starter. If Grove Park Road warranted an all-day service I'm sure TfL would already have provided one. I don't think there's been an all-day service along there in years, although I do vaguely remember going to work with my dad on a 126 and serving Grove Park Road before it was diverted along Dunkery Road (just checked and thankfully londonbuses.co.uk bears me out!). Other parts of the proposed route are already sufficiently served with buses. I think the only plus point - and it's a big one to be fair - is that it helps to connect Downham with the Overground. Hmmmmmm, where have we heard that one before? ;D ~ EDIT ~ Further investigation shows that the proposed routing by rgd976 doesn't include the part of Kent House Road that has the low bridge. The route would still need single deckers due to the low bridge at Southend Lane though The 126 did serve Grove Park Road, quite why its been left without any service (other than school routes) I don't know. I also don't think we can just say that if it warranted an all day service TfL would have provided one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 11:24:44 GMT
Making it a long route doesn't mean it would be very unreliable, there are far more bus lanes nowadays. And traffic is worse nowadays. More people use their cars than they did back then. There are various places where such a route could get stuck. Lewisham, Greenwich, etc. But the whole point of improving bus services is surely so that less people will use their cars? If we just say we cannot extend bus routes any reasonable distance because of congestion we may as well give up and accept buses as a very poor alternative to the car.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 11:26:29 GMT
Extend the 269 from Bexleyheath via the 96 to Dartford then across the river to Lakeside and Chafford Hundred Stn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 11:35:16 GMT
This idea occurred to me as well. It might also take a little pressure off the 227 which can only be a good thing. I would have thought Forest Hill would make a better terminus and I believe there's already an unused stand in the area. I still think that people would rather a direct bus link into Canada Water though. Whilst we might know it's 'shorter' to go via Beckenham and Sydenham the perception would be that's it's going around the houses. It also means those on Bromley Hill and in Downham don't benefit from the direct bus link to the Overground either at Canada Water or Sydenham; they would still have to change Surely its simpler just to increase the 227 frequency if need be? The Penge to Sydenham section is quite adequatley covered by the 75 and 194 via Penge East station. The 227 already stops near Penge West station for London Overground connections.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 12:30:52 GMT
Extend the 353 from Addington Village back to Croydon but via the current 466 route and then via the 119 to Purley Way. Increase it to every 10mins. The Orpington to Ramsden bit could possibly be withdrawn? Never seems well used with most people using the R9.
466 Withdrawn from Addington and rerouted to Shrublands
119 Withdrawn from Purley Way and rerouted to Thornton Heath High Street where it used to go, retains link from there to Shirley area.
Withdraw the 198 route.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 12:33:00 GMT
My proposals: Route 420-Hounslow-Southall-Harrow 24 hour service (120 and H32 are niether) Every 10 minutes, all day, every day; 30 minutes night service Create links between Hounslow and Harrow, as well as a third option to Southall from Hounslow. Night service from Southall would give Hounslow an extra night service. Also, would connect destinations in North West London to Hounslow. Would have a reasonably high PVR, operated with double decks Route 311-Kingston-Hampton-Feltham-Heathrow Central-Heathrow Terminal 4-Heathrow Terminal 5 24 hour service Monday to Saturday every 10-12 minutes; Sundays every 20-30 minutes. Night service every 30 minutes. Designed to releive loadings between Hampton and Kingston of 111/216, provide links to Hampton and Feltham and give a frequent, 24 hour bus shuttle between all of the Heathrow Terminals. Would operate with 10.8m Single deckers or Double decks Another proposal I would like is to make all Night buses into 24 hour services (e.g. N87) The underground needs to be 24-hours. When would you do track maintenance
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Post by jay38a on Jan 5, 2013 13:16:32 GMT
Extend the 269 from Bexleyheath via the 96 to Dartford then across the river to Lakeside and Chafford Hundred Stn. Taking on this idea in part how about an X25 from West Croydon to Ebbsfleet International Station via the old 726 routing to Dartford then 96 to Bluewater then direct to Ebbsfleet via the A2. Recreate the old 429 from Bromley to Bluewater via Chislehurst, New Eltham, Blackfen, Blendon and Bexley, this route was more successful then the X29 that followed it.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 5, 2013 21:30:21 GMT
Extend the 269 from Bexleyheath via the 96 to Dartford then across the river to Lakeside and Chafford Hundred Stn. That would royally mess the service up, sadly. If the Dartford Crossing is suffering, the service south of Sidcup especially would be seriously messed up. I think though it would be nice for the 96 to have help between Bexleyheath and Crayford - possibly project the 486? Or indeed the 269.
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Post by IanF on Jan 5, 2013 22:40:49 GMT
That would royally mess the service up, sadly. If the Dartford Crossing is suffering, the service south of Sidcup especially would be seriously messed up. I think though it would be nice for the 96 to have help between Bexleyheath and Crayford - possibly project the 486? Or indeed the 269. The 401 is a fairly short route, what about that? The 401 would be a good idea as its a short route which is more likely to be easier to extend
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Post by vjaska on Jan 6, 2013 4:06:18 GMT
Extend the 353 from Addington Village back to Croydon but via the current 466 route and then via the 119 to Purley Way. Increase it to every 10mins. The Orpington to Ramsden bit could possibly be withdrawn? Never seems well used with most people using the R9. 466 Withdrawn from Addington and rerouted to Shrublands 119 Withdrawn from Purley Way and rerouted to Thornton Heath High Street where it used to go, retains link from there to Shirley area. Withdraw the 198 route. Agree about the 353. The Ramsden Estate section adds an unnecessary 15 minutes from the Station, and it would take a similar amount of time to go via the 466 from Addington to Croydon. The replacement of the short section at the end of the 119 also accounts for the lack of stand space in the Croydon area, so such a change would be good. If the R9 failed to cope, there's always scope for double-decking, though from what I've seen neither the R9 or the 353 are used very much on the Ramsden section. The replacement of the Shrublands section of the 198 by the 466 doesn't sound like a bad idea but I'm not sure about the 119 replacing the Thornton Heath - Croydon section being replaced the 119. Such a route could end up getting rather unreliable if it had such a long end-to-end running time, and as the main service from Bromley to Croydon that wouldn't end too well. Would a small extension of the 64 not suffice to cover the Thorton Heath - Croydon link? An extension of the 64 wouldn't cover the lost link from Shirley which is most likely why Issac chose the 119 as that would retain the said link. I personally think the 64 could be extended northwards to Streatham Village (or Streatham Station if you like), would give the 109 some help between Thornton Heath & Streatham & New Addington get a new link taking them into more inner suburbs. The 64 is fairly quick between New Addington & Croydon, major places served are Addington Village, Selsdon & the Park Hill area although if needs be, cut the 64 back to Addington Village & extend the T33 to New Addington.
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Post by Paul on Jan 7, 2013 20:20:59 GMT
Extend the 353 from Addington Village back to Croydon but via the current 466 route and then via the 119 to Purley Way. Increase it to every 10mins. The Orpington to Ramsden bit could possibly be withdrawn? Never seems well used with most people using the R9 Agree about the 353. The Ramsden Estate section adds an unnecessary 15 minutes from the Station, and it would take a similar amount of time to go via the 466 from Addington to Croydon. The replacement of the short section at the end of the 119 also accounts for the lack of stand space in the Croydon area, so such a change would be good. If the R9 failed to cope, there's always scope for double-decking, though from what I've seen neither the R9 or the 353 are used very much on the Ramsden section Whereabouts in Orpington would you terminate the 353?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 20:27:50 GMT
Some new orbital links:
Routes 441/442 Tooting St Georges Hospital, Tooting Broadway, Mitcham Road, Eastfields, Pollards Hill, Thornton Heath Pond, Brigstock Road, Whitehorse Lane, Sth Norwood Hill then 441 Anerley, Penge, Beckenham, Southend Lane, Dowham Way to Grove Park or 442 under the low bridge Portland Road, Spring Lane, Long Lane, The Glade, Orchard Ave, West Wickham, Spring Park, Glebe Way, Croydon Road to PRU Hospital at Farnborough.
Both routes every 20mins with Darts giving a 10min headway between Norwood Junction and Tooting.
152 withdawn from Pollards Hill and rerouted via Streatham Vale/Common, Crown Point to Crystal Palace.
130 extended via South Norwood Hill and Church Rd to Crystal Palace
Creating mote stand space at Palace and St Georges Hosp shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 7, 2013 20:32:28 GMT
You would be surprised how difficult it is to obtain extra stand space. Certainly there is no room in Crystal Palace Bus Station. Some new orbital links: Routes 441/442 Tooting St Georges Hospital, Tooting Broadway, Mitcham Road, Eastfields, Pollards Hill, Thornton Heath Pond, Brigstock Road, Whitehorse Lane, Sth Norwood Hill then 441 Anerley, Penge, Beckenham, Southend Lane, Dowham Way to Grove Park or 442 under the low bridge Portland Road, Spring Lane, Long Lane, The Glade, Orchard Ave, West Wickham, Spring Park, Glebe Way, Croydon Road to PRU Hospital at Farnborough. Both routes every 20mins with Darts giving a 10min headway between Norwood Junction and Tooting. 152 withdawn from Pollards Hill and rerouted via Streatham Vale/Common, Crown Point to Crystal Palace. 130 extended via South Norwood Hill and Church Rd to Crystal Palace Creating mote stand space at Palace and St Georges Hosp shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 20:36:31 GMT
Agree about the 353. The Ramsden Estate section adds an unnecessary 15 minutes from the Station, and it would take a similar amount of time to go via the 466 from Addington to Croydon. The replacement of the short section at the end of the 119 also accounts for the lack of stand space in the Croydon area, so such a change would be good. If the R9 failed to cope, there's always scope for double-decking, though from what I've seen neither the R9 or the 353 are used very much on the Ramsden section Whereabouts in Orpington would you terminate the 353? Where the 208 terminates, there is room for more stand space
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 20:40:59 GMT
The bus station could be enlarged, if not then a onstreet stand. You would be surprised how difficult it is to obtain extra stand space. Certainly there is no room in Crystal Palace Bus Station. Some new orbital links: Routes 441/442 Tooting St Georges Hospital, Tooting Broadway, Mitcham Road, Eastfields, Pollards Hill, Thornton Heath Pond, Brigstock Road, Whitehorse Lane, Sth Norwood Hill then 441 Anerley, Penge, Beckenham, Southend Lane, Dowham Way to Grove Park or 442 under the low bridge Portland Road, Spring Lane, Long Lane, The Glade, Orchard Ave, West Wickham, Spring Park, Glebe Way, Croydon Road to PRU Hospital at Farnborough. Both routes every 20mins with Darts giving a 10min headway between Norwood Junction and Tooting. 152 withdawn from Pollards Hill and rerouted via Streatham Vale/Common, Crown Point to Crystal Palace. 130 extended via South Norwood Hill and Church Rd to Crystal Palace Creating mote stand space at Palace and St Georges Hosp shouldn't be a problem.
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