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Post by M1104 on Mar 16, 2013 23:46:06 GMT
Weird that a route that deckers appear on from time to time fails a test regarding deckers. Is there stand space at Herne Hill ? I think It would make sense to extend the 42 to Herne Hill and convert it to Double decker. I believe there was once a plan or consultation to extend the route to East Dulwich Sainsburys. |
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Post by M1104 on Mar 16, 2013 23:48:41 GMT
Its been looked at and failed a route test around Red Post Hill. Yes I know that deckers have been used before but there you go these are the facts. The 42 should really be converted to double-deck; I hope the opportunity will be taken in 2014/16. Do you know long ago was the route test was? |
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Post by beaver14uk on Mar 17, 2013 1:16:09 GMT
Early last month the route test was carried out. Sunray Avenue/Red Post Hill It was agreed that when cars are not parked along the nearside then there is the potential for a bus to hit a tree at several locations on these two streets. LB Southwark said that there is no likelihood of any of the larger boughs being removed from the trees as it is a conservation area and there are tree preservation orders. An alternative solution would be to install kerb build-outs at the bottom of each tree. This would necessitate removing parking spaces. This will be investigated further. Conclusion Double deck buses are not currently suitable for operation on route 42 due to overhanging trees at Sunray Avenue and Red Post Hill. Its been looked at and failed a route test around Red Post Hill. Yes I know that deckers have been used before but there you go these are the facts. Do you know long ago was the route test was? |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2013 5:01:49 GMT
Early last month the route test was carried out. Sunray Avenue/Red Post Hill It was agreed that when cars are not parked along the nearside then there is the potential for a bus to hit a tree at several locations on these two streets. LB Southwark said that there is no likelihood of any of the larger boughs being removed from the trees as it is a conservation area and there are tree preservation orders. An alternative solution would be to install kerb build-outs at the bottom of each tree. This would necessitate removing parking spaces. This will be investigated further. Conclusion Double deck buses are not currently suitable for operation on route 42 due to overhanging trees at Sunray Avenue and Red Post Hill. Do you know long ago was the route test was? Thanks for the info mate  |
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Post by M1104 on Mar 17, 2013 10:03:26 GMT
Early last month the route test was carried out. Sunray Avenue/Red Post Hill It was agreed that when cars are not parked along the nearside then there is the potential for a bus to hit a tree at several locations on these two streets. LB Southwark said that there is no likelihood of any of the larger boughs being removed from the trees as it is a conservation area and there are tree preservation orders. An alternative solution would be to install kerb build-outs at the bottom of each tree. This would necessitate removing parking spaces. This will be investigated further. Conclusion Double deck buses are not currently suitable for operation on route 42 due to overhanging trees at Sunray Avenue and Red Post Hill. Thanks for the info mate Ditto! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 20:32:32 GMT
I reckon the 40 would be more useful if re-routed between Camberwell Green and Elephant to serve Peckham Road, then via 343 up Southampton Way, Thurlow Street, Rodney Road, etc to Elephant. This would give the heavily residentual old North Peckham Estate extra buses. As it is now the 176 covers 2/3 of the 40. I quite like this idea, especially as the estate, when rebuilt, will be housing even more residents than before so an extra can do no harm. 'NCT' - Walworth Road would still have a link to London Bridge & the City in the form of the 35. Such a rerouting would extend journey times for people travelling between the City and places south of Camberwell though. As for sending more stuff down Thurlow Street, I wonder whether rerouting the 171 might be a goer. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 20:41:08 GMT
Such a rerouting would extend journey times for people travelling between the City and places south of Camberwell though. As for sending more stuff down Thurlow Street, I wonder whether rerouting the 171 might be a goer. The 171 is a slow enough routing to Elephant and Castle as it is - would this not extend journey times for people coming from Catford (etc.) - a lot of people use the route to Central London from there. Sending the 171 through Thurlow Street wouldn't extend journey time between Elephant and Peckham, as both the 171 and 343 spend 22 minutes between the 2 aforementioned places. It's only Camberwell to destinations south of New Cross that needs some thought. |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 17, 2013 20:57:16 GMT
The 171 should remain how it is. It's already a slow journey. Even the N171 is slow when at full capacity.
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Post by Steve80 on Mar 17, 2013 21:09:47 GMT
I reckon the 40 would be more useful if re-routed between Camberwell Green and Elephant to serve Peckham Road, then via 343 up Southampton Way, Thurlow Street, Rodney Road, etc to Elephant. This would give the heavily residentual old North Peckham Estate extra buses. As it is now the 176 covers 2/3 of the 40. Interesting you mentioned this as while in the newsagent on friday, I briefly saw a front page article on the south london press. It said something about passengers are fed up with the lack of buses in the south london area. I saw the number 343 mentioned in the paper as well |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 21:14:43 GMT
To be honest the best way to increase service levels on the 343 route is just to beef up the 343 itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 21:19:07 GMT
What Camberwell really needs is a rail service - when Thameslink receives its step change in capacity post upgrade maybe they can start looking at reopening the likes of Camberwell Station with increased frequencies on the Sutton Loop for example.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 22:47:55 GMT
What Camberwell really needs is a rail service - when Thameslink receives its step change in capacity post upgrade maybe they can start looking at reopening the likes of Camberwell Station with increased frequencies on the Sutton Loop for example. There was talk of extending the Bakerloo line via Camberwell right down to Hayes via the branch line, linking up Camberwell, Lewisham, Catford, Beckenham, etc. Perhaps such a line could be somehow within the scope of the London Overground project. That would definitely be a stand alone project given the length of new tunnels required. I'm unsure about an Elephant - Camberwell - Peckham style right-angled routing - that'd make the Bakerloo the most twisty route on the LU network. Anyway this is probably for a different thread. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 0:00:22 GMT
Route 186 - is another pretty pointless route from Edgware to Brent Cross. We have the 113 and 142 that already go to Brent Cross from Edgware.
I reckon it should just run from Northwick Park to Mill Hill Broadway to act as an alternative to the unreliable 114.
I think the H12 could also be extended to Edgware to prevent people from the South Harrow, Rayners lane and Pinner areas from having to change or go to Harrow to get a bus to Edgware.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 10:14:04 GMT
Route 186 - is another pretty pointless route from Edgware to Brent Cross. We have the 113 and 142 that already go to Brent Cross from Edgware. I reckon it should just run from Northwick Park to Mill Hill Broadway to act as an alternative to the unreliable 114. The 113 doesn't quite go to Brent Cross Shopping Centre does it, and the 142 serves the A5. For virtually the whole section east of Edgware the 186 is the only link to Brent Cross Shopping Centre. Plus the 186 now serves the new housing developments off Aerodrome Road. |
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Post by M1104 on Mar 18, 2013 10:47:06 GMT
I reckon the 40 would be more useful if re-routed between Camberwell Green and Elephant to serve Peckham Road, then via 343 up Southampton Way, Thurlow Street, Rodney Road, etc to Elephant. This would give the heavily residentual old North Peckham Estate extra buses. As it is now the 176 covers 2/3 of the 40. Interesting you mentioned this as while in the newsagent on friday, I briefly saw a front page article on the south london press. It said something about passengers are fed up with the lack of buses in the south london area. I saw the number 343 mentioned in the paper as well I reckon it's partially to do with South London having the least amount of Underground network, many punters then sticking with the bus despite the availability of pricier overhead rail services (bearing in mind the East London Line has recently stretched out). The existing tube services that do go south only have two underground stations beyond zone 3 (South Wimbledon and Morden in zone 4.... South Wimbledon being on the borderline of the zones). |
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