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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 11:30:07 GMT
Interesting you mentioned this as while in the newsagent on friday, I briefly saw a front page article on the south london press. It said something about passengers are fed up with the lack of buses in the south london area. I saw the number 343 mentioned in the paper as well I reckon it's partially to do with South London having the least amount of Underground network, many punters then sticking with the bus despite the availability of pricier overhead rail services (bearing in mind the East London Line has recently stretched out). The existing tube services that do go south only have two underground stations beyond zone 3 (South Wimbledon and Morden in zone 4.... South Wimbledon being on the borderline of the zones). Are NR services really any more expensive than LU - I always seem to find LU expensive if I have to buy a ticket ... thought with zonal fares, LU and NR services were harmonised in the TfL areas |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 12:19:09 GMT
To be honest the best way to increase service levels on the 343 route is just to beef up the 343 itself. But the area really does need a direct link to Camberwell area and the 40 would provide this |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 12:38:28 GMT
To be honest the best way to increase service levels on the 343 route is just to beef up the 343 itself. But the area really does need a direct link to Camberwell area and the 40 would provide this The 40 is a bad candidate to plug such a gap. You wouldn't lengthen journey times for a primary flow like City - East Dulwich to provide for a local flow. Bear in mind East Dulwich to London Bridge is only 2tph and Denmark Hill is just completely useless. The 42 connects Thurlow Street with Camberwell well enough, and on Southampton Way it's not far to walk to Camberwell or to Peckham Road to catch a bus. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 18, 2013 14:32:23 GMT
But the area really does need a direct link to Camberwell area and the 40 would provide this The 40 is a bad candidate to plug such a gap. You wouldn't lengthen journey times for a primary flow like City - East Dulwich to provide for a local flow. Bear in mind East Dulwich to London Bridge is only 2tph and Denmark Hill is just completely useless. The 42 connects Thurlow Street with Camberwell well enough, and on Southampton Way it's not far to walk to Camberwell or to Peckham Road to catch a bus. The problem with the 42 though is that it is usually heavily loaded and also failed a route test for deckers. The 40 is also less used between Camberwell & Dulwich Plough than the 176 or 185 though granted they don't serve the City or London Bridge. Do not forget that the Aylesbury Estate is to be redeveloped with even more people living there than before the demolition began. A compromise diversion of the 40 via the 42 and then the 343 through the estate could work as well and wouldn't add as much time as going via Camberwell Church Street, Peckham Road & Southampton Way. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 14:47:38 GMT
Clearing the 42 for deckers shouldn't be *too* difficult though.
It would be even easier to increase the 343 from 9bph to 10 or 12 bph (11% or 33% increase in capacity), and that would be a better option than diverting the 40 for serving the redeveloped Aylesbury Estate IMO.
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Post by John tuthill on Mar 18, 2013 14:52:25 GMT
The 40 is a bad candidate to plug such a gap. You wouldn't lengthen journey times for a primary flow like City - East Dulwich to provide for a local flow. Bear in mind East Dulwich to London Bridge is only 2tph and Denmark Hill is just completely useless. The 42 connects Thurlow Street with Camberwell well enough, and on Southampton Way it's not far to walk to Camberwell or to Peckham Road to catch a bus. loaded and also failed a route test for deckers. [/i] The 40 is also less used between Camberwell & Dulwich Plough than the 176 or 185 though granted they don't serve the City or London Bridge. Do not forget that the Aylesbury Estate is to be redeveloped with even more people living there than before the demolition began. A compromise diversion of the 40 via the 42 and then the 343 through the estate could work as well and wouldn't add as much time as going via Camberwell Church Street, Peckham Road & Southampton Way. [/quote] Has the 42 route changed? It was RTL in my day, then DMS and then SDs |
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Post by beaver14uk on Mar 18, 2013 15:48:36 GMT
If only life were that simply
quote author=nct board=routes thread=7397 post=195279 time=1363618058]Clearing the 42 for deckers shouldn't be *too* difficult though.
It would be even easier to increase the 343 from 9bph to 10 or 12 bph (11% or 33% increase in capacity), and that would be a better option than diverting the 40 for serving the redeveloped Aylesbury Estate IMO.[/quote]
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Post by M1104 on Mar 18, 2013 16:36:30 GMT
The problem with the 42 though is that it is usually heavily loaded and also failed a route test for deckers. [/i] The 40 is also less used between Camberwell & Dulwich Plough than the 176 or 185 though granted they don't serve the City or London Bridge. Do not forget that the Aylesbury Estate is to be redeveloped with even more people living there than before the demolition began. A compromise diversion of the 40 via the 42 and then the 343 through the estate could work as well and wouldn't add as much time as going via Camberwell Church Street, Peckham Road & Southampton Way. [/quote] Has the 42 route changed? It was RTL in my day, then DMS and then SDs[/quote] The route has since had a southbound extension beyond Camberwell Green, hence the failed test with the double-deckers along that extension. |
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Post by M1104 on Mar 18, 2013 16:45:47 GMT
I reckon it's partially to do with South London having the least amount of Underground network, many punters then sticking with the bus despite the availability of pricier overhead rail services (bearing in mind the East London Line has recently stretched out). The existing tube services that do go south only have two underground stations beyond zone 3 (South Wimbledon and Morden in zone 4.... South Wimbledon being on the borderline of the zones). Are NR services really any more expensive than LU - I always seem to find LU expensive if I have to buy a ticket ... thought with zonal fares, LU and NR services were harmonised in the TfL areas The underground has a more frequent service, which a lot of south London is deprived of in comparison to other parts of London. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 18, 2013 22:08:37 GMT
The 42 was using DDs back in 2010 im sure and I though they still crop up now. Might be wrong.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 18, 2013 23:25:56 GMT
The 42 was using DDs back in 2010 im sure and I though they still crop up now. Might be wrong. The 42 does see sightings now & then but as beaver explained, it failed a route test with a decker  |
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Post by M1104 on Mar 18, 2013 23:37:21 GMT
The 42 was using DDs back in 2010 im sure and I though they still crop up now. Might be wrong. The 42 does see sightings now & then but as beaver explained, it failed a route test with a decker The last double-decker I saw on it was earlier this year and was one of the Es, which I presume had its powerblinds updated to include the 42. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 8:15:38 GMT
Double deckers are common on the 42, the tree problem such as it is, is at the southern terminus.
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Post by beaver14uk on Mar 19, 2013 8:20:38 GMT
not now
uote author=antman board=routes thread=7397 post=195414 time=1363680938]Double deckers are common on the 42, the tree problem such as it is, is at the southern terminus.[/quote]
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 10:23:35 GMT
Bear in mind East Dulwich to London Bridge is only 2tph and Denmark Hill is just completely useless. East Dulwich London Bridge is 4tph. Denmark Hill has 2tph to Victoria, 2tph to St Pancras (and beyond), and 4tph on the Overground which includes being able to change for the Northern line at Clapham High Street on the same fare. |
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