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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 15:03:33 GMT
The 357 and the 414 have been quite hated on this forum for a while You mean they feature regularly in threads like this? I wonder why? If the 357 is useless was it put up for tender and awarded with electric buses? Said it before too many arm chair bus experts here. Sorry if that sounds harsh or rude. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 15:08:19 GMT
l Because too many folks love coming out with random ideas to withdraw routes despite having no usage data or informed opinion. How many people are going to have usage data to hand and who is to say what is or isn't an informed opinion? Well you sure seem to an opinion on every route in London and seem to know the loadings 247 despite others who live local having a better idea especially if a route passes by them day in day out. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 24, 2020 17:53:27 GMT
That doesn't take into account what the 357's role is though which is to assist the busy Chingford Mount to Walthamstow corridor via Bell Corner which neither the W11 or W15 currently or would serve. You have the 215, and 97 that is more than ample. Plus the 34 runs down to the crooked billet., anywhere between whipps cross and central the W15 could pick up ... yes it may be a few minutes more... but the 357 always has been pointless. The W15, has a good frequency, I assure you I used to hate hearing it stop outside my house every 10/15 minutes at night so, rented my house out in Walthamstow and purchased a new one. The problem with letting the W15 take over this role is it arrives into Walthamstow packed whereas the 357 doesn’t and adequately mops up what the 34, 97 & 215 cannot take. A former forum member and resident of Walthamstow sadly no longer with us explained about how the 357 performs a vital role in its assistance as well as providing a direct hospital link from Chingford Hatch & Mount areas which the W15 would take longer to accomplish when accounting for its slightly less direct route and the amount of passengers it takes in comparison. It also doesn’t serve Walthamstow Central Bus Station anymore so gives it a further advantage time wise. |
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Post by HA2215 on Aug 25, 2020 7:21:48 GMT
You have the 215, and 97 that is more than ample. Plus the 34 runs down to the crooked billet., anywhere between whipps cross and central the W15 could pick up ... yes it may be a few minutes more... but the 357 always has been pointless. The W15, has a good frequency, I assure you I used to hate hearing it stop outside my house every 10/15 minutes at night so, rented my house out in Walthamstow and purchased a new one. The problem with letting the W15 take over this role is it arrives into Walthamstow packed whereas the 357 doesn’t and adequately mops up what the 34, 97 & 215 cannot take. A former forum member and resident of Walthamstow sadly no longer with us explained about how the 357 performs a vital role in its assistance as well as providing a direct hospital link from Chingford Hatch & Mount areas which the W15 would take longer to accomplish when accounting for its slightly less direct route and the amount of passengers it takes in comparison. It also doesn’t serve Walthamstow Central Bus Station anymore so gives it a further advantage time wise. I wasn't aware it didn't serve the central anymore... last I recall, it was Folly lane , sinnott road, left on to billet right higham hill road, over forest road left into Palmerston road then left up selbourne road. And the old route to hackney wick... maybe re route the 357 up wadham lodge... it's a pointless route, maybe go back to the old days, of route 58 when it used to serve chingford mount prior to the 158 introduction on evening and Sunday. Ok, that's going back too far to London forest day"s nut they don't need it in the evening when the W16 and 444 run up towards the hatch. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 25, 2020 10:41:17 GMT
The problem with letting the W15 take over this role is it arrives into Walthamstow packed whereas the 357 doesn’t and adequately mops up what the 34, 97 & 215 cannot take. A former forum member and resident of Walthamstow sadly no longer with us explained about how the 357 performs a vital role in its assistance as well as providing a direct hospital link from Chingford Hatch & Mount areas which the W15 would take longer to accomplish when accounting for its slightly less direct route and the amount of passengers it takes in comparison. It also doesn’t serve Walthamstow Central Bus Station anymore so gives it a further advantage time wise. I wasn't aware it didn't serve the central anymore... last I recall, it was Folly lane , sinnott road, left on to billet right higham hill road, over forest road left into Palmerston road then left up selbourne road. And the old route to hackney wick... maybe re route the 357 up wadham lodge... it's a pointless route, maybe go back to the old days, of route 58 when it used to serve chingford mount prior to the 158 introduction on evening and Sunday. Ok, that's going back too far to London forest day"s nut they don't need it in the evening when the W16 and 444 run up towards the hatch. Both the 97 & 357 were permanently removed from Selbourne Road & the bus station sometime after the major works started at Walthamstow Central. They now have their own stop on Hoe Street right near Selbourne Road. We seem to have different interpretations of what is pointless - the 357 provides a hospital link to parts of Waltham Forest that otherwise currently aren't served by it & assists the busy main corridor through Walthamstow up to Chingford Hatch. To be pointless, surely it would have no role at all yet has two different ones? |
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Post by HA2215 on Aug 26, 2020 6:04:27 GMT
I wasn't aware it didn't serve the central anymore... last I recall, it was Folly lane , sinnott road, left on to billet right higham hill road, over forest road left into Palmerston road then left up selbourne road. And the old route to hackney wick... maybe re route the 357 up wadham lodge... it's a pointless route, maybe go back to the old days, of route 58 when it used to serve chingford mount prior to the 158 introduction on evening and Sunday. Ok, that's going back too far to London forest day"s nut they don't need it in the evening when the W16 and 444 run up towards the hatch. Both the 97 & 357 were permanently removed from Selbourne Road & the bus station sometime after the major works started at Walthamstow Central. They now have their own stop on Hoe Street right near Selbourne Road. We seem to have different interpretations of what is pointless - the 357 provides a hospital link to parts of Waltham Forest that otherwise currently aren't served by it & assists the busy main corridor through Walthamstow up to Chingford Hatch. To be pointless, surely it would have no role at all yet has two different ones? To be fair, he W16 also provides a close link from the mount area to the hospital, Maybe get rid of route 97 and then extend the route 69 to the crooked billet. Years ago, I used to drive route 97/215/357, once the 215 got to the mount it was always empty running to the central ... maybe extend the 215 to whipps cross and get rid of the 357. Between bakers arms and just past the cemetery the routes over lapped, to much. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jun 26, 2022 14:27:12 GMT
I found this thread really interesting to read with the TfL consultation and recent changes.
Route 349 - well, it's on its way out
Route 415 - now it has a nice round the corner link
Route 332 - will now provide Cricklewood with its only Central link.
T31/T32 - now long gone
Route 13 - effectively withdrawn with 82 renumbered 13.
Route 129 - now provides a nice new Lewisham link.
430 northern section - it'll see more use going via Earls Court.
Route 40 - now provides Camberwell/Dulwich with a Blackfriars/City link.
Route 224 - well, if you called it useless when it served Wembley, what is it now?
Just funny to see routes that were once deemed 'useless' having a lot of purpose. Or indeed kicking the bucket.
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Post by COBO on Jun 26, 2022 14:49:48 GMT
The N159 or the night service for the 159. Pointless now that the N109 covers it whole route. Is the purpose of the N159 there to act as relief for the N109 or visa versa?
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Post by someone on Jun 26, 2022 15:02:04 GMT
The R9. Why can't the just extend it to Green Street Green via Chelsfield Lane, Warren Lane and the R1? Also, maybe there could be a possible northern extension to Perry Hall Road?
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Post by vjaska on Jun 26, 2022 17:15:48 GMT
The R9. Why can't the just extend it to Green Street Green via Chelsfield Lane, Warren Lane and the R1? Also, maybe there could be a possible northern extension to Perry Hall Road? The R9 isn't useless - see this is the issue with this thread. For something to be useless, it must have no use for existing at all and yet using the R9, the R9 exists by providing a direct link from Ramsden Estate to Oprington Station, the top of the high street & Walnuts Centre. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 26, 2022 17:18:48 GMT
The N159 or the night service for the 159. Pointless now that the N109 covers it whole route. Is the purpose of the N159 there to act as relief for the N109 or visa versa? The Night service on the 159 is not pointless, you should see how busy buses are at Night coming from Oxford Circus... |
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Post by Paul on Jun 26, 2022 17:19:05 GMT
The R9. Why can't the just extend it to Green Street Green via Chelsfield Lane, Warren Lane and the R1? Also, maybe there could be a possible northern extension to Perry Hall Road? The R9 isn't useless - see this is the issue with this thread. For something to be useless, it must have no use for existing at all and yet using the R9, the R9 exists by providing a direct link from Ramsden Estate to Oprington Station, the top of the high street & Walnuts Centre. Completely agree - the R9 does it’s job very, very well. For the life of me, I cannot see why a similar model hasn’t been adopted to serve Chelsfield Village in a similar way |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 26, 2022 17:20:26 GMT
The R9. Why can't the just extend it to Green Street Green via Chelsfield Lane, Warren Lane and the R1? Also, maybe there could be a possible northern extension to Perry Hall Road? It is a circular route and does get busy hence why it’s a high frequency route... There is no need to divert it to Perry Hall Road. It would then be pointless because the 353 already does that when it serves Carlton Parade... |
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 26, 2022 17:38:32 GMT
The R9. Why can't the just extend it to Green Street Green via Chelsfield Lane, Warren Lane and the R1? Also, maybe there could be a possible northern extension to Perry Hall Road? Ah. The old chestnut, that because a route is short it is of little use. The main purpose of the R9 is to link Ramsden Estate with the local town centre and the rail station, anyone wanting to go further has good onward connections. This is no different to many town services up and down the UK outside London - by this standard, half the bus routes in the UK would be useless! |
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Post by COBO on Jun 26, 2022 18:12:59 GMT
The N159 or the night service for the 159. Pointless now that the N109 covers it whole route. Is the purpose of the N159 there to act as relief for the N109 or visa versa? The Night service on the 159 is not pointless, you should see how busy buses are at Night coming from Oxford Circus... And what’s the N109 like? Could the N109 cope by itself if the night service of the 159 with a frequency increased to every 15 minutes? |
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