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Post by marlon101 on Apr 2, 2013 18:16:32 GMT
Two problems - would stand space in Forest Gate cope with so many 25s terminating there? Also the problem of Ilford, Manor Park, Woodgrange Park losing a long-established direct link to the West End, the City, etc. That would probably be deeply unpopular. I believe it wouldnt but for the reliability sake of the route I think it's better for it to be cut short. Seeing as there will be an increased load of buses between Forest Gate and Stratford with my idea I already thought of turning some short at Stratford anyway. I wouldn't say the 25 is the direct link towards Central London from Romford Road. It runs parallel to the Greater Anglia services between Ilford and Stratford that also stop at areas served by the 25 & 86 via a short walk. I also suggested the cut because Manor Park can get quite congested during the day which varies the times for the buses to get through. As much as its an inconvinience to people along the Romford Road corridor, it's better in a way to prevent mileage loss. Who wants a reliable route that does not do the job it needs to? The effort should be put into making the 25 work. As mredd has said, despite the parallel District Line and Greater Anglia services, the 25 is an extremely popular route for long journeys from the East into the West End. I used to ride from Mile End into Holborn quite a bit, when I was in no particular hurry, and turnover of passengers on the upper deck would be approximately a third during that distance: we should not want to interrupt these journeys |
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Post by mre81 on Apr 2, 2013 18:56:10 GMT
Cut the 25 back to Stratford and have a new route (475?) take over the Ilford-Stratford section then run on to Aldgate, with a possible run down Fenchurch St to London Bridge. Thus new links created, plus much needed extra capacity on the core Stratford-Aldgate section. Alternatively how about an X25 express, running the full Ilford-Oxford Circus route, but stopping only at major stops/interchanges. It'll probably never happen as TfL seem to have a distaste for express routes, but having used the X26 for the first time this weekend, I thought it was blo*dy marvellous  |
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Post by mre81 on Apr 2, 2013 19:11:57 GMT
Cut the 25 back to Stratford and have a new route (475?) take over the Ilford-Stratford section then run on to Aldgate, with a possible run down Fenchurch St to London Bridge. Thus new links created, plus much needed extra capacity on the core Stratford-Aldgate section. Alternatively how about an X25 express, running the full Ilford-Oxford Circus route, but stopping only at major stops/interchanges. It'll probably never happen as TfL seem to have a distaste for express routes, but having used the X26 for the first time this weekend, I thought it was blo*dy marvellous Disagree with the former, agree with the latter though! Of the 60 stops on the 25, I reckon the express service could serve about 20 of those. You can't please everyone all the time!  An express would certianly make a difference, but would probably become just as overcrowded as the 25. Having said that I can think of about half a dozen routes that could do with and express version.... |
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Post by IanF on Apr 2, 2013 19:14:22 GMT
Cut the 25 back to Stratford and have a new route (475?) take over the Ilford-Stratford section then run on to Aldgate, with a possible run down Fenchurch St to London Bridge. Thus new links created, plus much needed extra capacity on the core Stratford-Aldgate section. Alternatively how about an X25 express, running the full Ilford-Oxford Circus route, but stopping only at major stops/interchanges. It'll probably never happen as TfL seem to have a distaste for express routes, but having used the X26 for the first time this weekend, I thought it was blo*dy marvellous Disagree with the former, agree with the latter though! Of the 60 stops on the 25, I reckon the express service could serve about 20 of those. It'd be worthwhile if First didn't get it as there drivers haven't heard of a throttle. |
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Post by IanF on Apr 2, 2013 19:19:42 GMT
It'd be worthwhile if First didn't get it as there drivers haven't heard of a throttle. Maybe they should give it half decent running times instead of the crawling pace given to the 25 at the moment! Everytime I get on there they are running at least 5 late and that gets worse not better. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 20:22:01 GMT
You can't please everyone all the time! An express would certianly make a difference, but would probably become just as overcrowded as the 25. Having said that I can think of about half a dozen routes that could do with and express version.... If the X25 was introduced as partially extra capacity (e.g. PVR of 20 and reduction of 10 - purely an example but demonstrates the sort of situation you could have) then the overcrowding wouldn't be too much of a problem. Any X25 should run through SE London |
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Post by IanF on Apr 2, 2013 20:38:52 GMT
If the X25 was introduced as partially extra capacity (e.g. PVR of 20 and reduction of 10 - purely an example but demonstrates the sort of situation you could have) then the overcrowding wouldn't be too much of a problem. Any X25 should run through SE London mmm no how confusing would that be. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 21:38:00 GMT
The best thing for the 25 is to run it in two sections Oxford Circus - Stratford and St Paul's (say) - Ilford. The eastern half could perhaps start at Aldgate evenings and weekends. Anyone east of Stratford using the 25 to get into the West End probably needs help (slight tongue in cheek).
The existing PVR should be able to provide a 5-minute service on both routes (with appropriate journey time tightenings though). I would toy with the idea of an X25 Ilford - Oxford Circus stopping at key locations only - that would certainly be a more efficient use of resources than everything crawling around at snail's pace. This could use resources above and beyond the current 59 vehicles.
As for the 205 - it is long enough as it is (15 km) and its current reliability is nothing to write home about.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 21:43:06 GMT
Any X25 should run through SE London How so? From Dartford to Croydon ... the 726 became the X26, so the 725 should be the X25 |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2013 21:43:31 GMT
I welcome the idea of an X25 and as 'mre81' hinted, there are good number of routes who could do with an express version.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 10:56:02 GMT
The best thing for the 25 is to run it in two sections Oxford Circus - Stratford and St Paul's (say) - Ilford. The eastern half could perhaps start at Aldgate evenings and weekends. Anyone east of Stratford using the 25 to get into the West End probably needs help (slight tongue in cheek). The existing PVR should be able to provide a 5-minute service on both routes (with appropriate journey time tightenings though). I would toy with the idea of an X25 Ilford - Oxford Circus stopping at key locations only - that would certainly be a more efficient use of resources than everything crawling around at snail's pace. This could use resources above and beyond the current 59 vehicles. As for the 205 - it is long enough as it is (15 km) and its current reliability is nothing to write home about. Running routes in sections is no longer acceptable and rightly so, it just causes confusion. I think the 25 is ok as it is and an express service certainly would be useful, the 607 has been a great success on the Uxbridge Road for example. |
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Post by marlon101 on Apr 3, 2013 12:30:02 GMT
Anyone east of Stratford using the 25 to get into the West End probably needs help (slight tongue in cheek). But people do do it in big numbers! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 12:33:04 GMT
X25 - Oxford Circus, Holborn, City Thameslink, St Paul's, Bank Station, Aldgate East Station, Stepney Green, Mile End, Bow Church, Stratford, Woodgrange Park Station, Manor Park & Ilford?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 13:12:19 GMT
Anyone east of Stratford using the 25 to get into the West End probably needs help (slight tongue in cheek). But people do do it in big numbers! Yes, indeed. I think people underestimate the value of a direct trunk route. |
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Post by Late Again on Apr 3, 2013 17:23:20 GMT
Just checking if I'm missing anything. I know there is plans for the 205 to be extended at night. But is there actually a proposal for the day route to be extended as well.
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An express would certianly make a difference, but would probably become just as overcrowded as the 25. Having said that I can think of about half a dozen routes that could do with and express version....
