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Post by Trident on Apr 3, 2013 17:26:22 GMT
Just checking if I'm missing anything. I know there is plans for the 205 to be extended at night. But is there actually a proposal for the day route to be extended as well. It's proposed for the moment, for the day element to continue terminating at Bow Church
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Post by Trident on Apr 3, 2013 17:29:28 GMT
X25 - Oxford Circus, Holborn, City Thameslink, St Paul's, Bank Station, Aldgate East Station, Stepney Green, Mile End, Bow Church, Stratford, Woodgrange Park Station, Manor Park & Ilford? We need to add more stops between Stratford and Ilford. Sometimes both the 25 & 86 cant cope with the loadings in the peaks throughout Romford Road. Stratford Bus Station Margery Park Road Woodgrange Road (For Forest Gate Station) Katherine Road Woodgrange Park Station High Street North (For Manor Park Station) Ilford Hill Hainault Street I couldnt agree more though with the stops that are served west of Stratford.
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Post by Trident on Apr 3, 2013 18:30:31 GMT
We need to add more stops between Stratford and Ilford. Sometimes both the 25 & 86 cant cope with the loadings in the peaks throughout Romford Road. Stratford Bus Station Margery Park Road Woodgrange Road (For Forest Gate Station) Katherine Road Woodgrange Park Station High Street North (For Manor Park Station) Ilford Hill Hainault Street I couldnt agree more though with the stops that are served west of Stratford. Problem is, make it too many stops between Ilford and Stratford and the "express" element suddenly doesn't become so much of an express element. There would still be regular stops on the 25 and 86. You've probably named the majority of the stops between Stratford and Ilford there. It's not the majority, I only picked out key stops between the areas. Bearing in mind it shouldn't really reduce the express element that much as I feel it would reduce journey times dramatically.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 18:58:58 GMT
Problem is, make it too many stops between Ilford and Stratford and the "express" element suddenly doesn't become so much of an express element. There would still be regular stops on the 25 and 86. You've probably named the majority of the stops between Stratford and Ilford there. It's not the majority, I only picked out key stops between the areas. Bearing in mind it shouldn't really reduce the express element that much as I feel it would reduce journey times dramatically. It would mean the bus is stopping a lot more. One of the main problems on the 25 is that it stops every 30 seconds. I don't think a stop at each major area (e.g. stations) is unreasonable otherwise there's a case to be argued for a huge number of stops along the 25.
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Post by wh541 on Apr 3, 2013 19:32:25 GMT
Just thinking what about introducing a new route Mile End to Ilford yes it duplicate the 25 /86 but will help with demand along this section.
A express X 25 as mentioned here is a good idea but I wonder why TFL are so reluctant to introduce express routes apart from X68 /607?
But having said that the locals on the 25 probably would create a lot of hassle and not grasp the difference between a normal and express stop service ;D can just see it now doors being forced open!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 19:41:34 GMT
The best thing for the 25 is to run it in two sections Oxford Circus - Stratford and St Paul's (say) - Ilford. The eastern half could perhaps start at Aldgate evenings and weekends. Anyone east of Stratford using the 25 to get into the West End probably needs help (slight tongue in cheek). The existing PVR should be able to provide a 5-minute service on both routes (with appropriate journey time tightenings though). I would toy with the idea of an X25 Ilford - Oxford Circus stopping at key locations only - that would certainly be a more efficient use of resources than everything crawling around at snail's pace. This could use resources above and beyond the current 59 vehicles. As for the 205 - it is long enough as it is (15 km) and its current reliability is nothing to write home about. Running routes in sections is no longer acceptable and rightly so, it just causes confusion. I think the 25 is ok as it is and an express service certainly would be useful, the 607 has been a great success on the Uxbridge Road for example. You would naturally give the 2 sections two different route numbers, hardly a big deal. With the section between the City and Stratford being the busiest, due to the overlap of major West End - Stratford and City/Whitechapel - Ilford flows for the 25 it's a no brainer the businest section should be strengthened. Anyone east of Stratford using the 25 to get into the West End probably needs help (slight tongue in cheek). But people do do it in big numbers! Do they though? I use the 25 semi-regularly between Mile End and Holborn / West End, and my observation is that those already on the bus from east of Mile End largely disappear by the City and rather few of those who got on the bus west of the City would still be on the bus once I've got off at Mile End. With peak journey times well over an hour I'd take my hat off to anyone who could bear such a long journey.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 19:47:26 GMT
Just thinking what about introducing a new route Mile End to Ilford yes it duplicate the 25 /86 but will help with demand along this section. A express X 25 as mentioned here is a good idea but I wonder why TFL are so reluctant to introduce express routes apart from X68 /607? But having said that the locals on the 25 probably would create a lot of hassle and not grasp the difference between a normal and express stop service ;D can just see it now doors being forced open! I do wonder what the TFL aversion to express services is. I suppose it requires more resources to run the parallel, which can end up being costly to run two routes over the same section.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 19:49:48 GMT
Do they though? I use the 25 semi-regularly between Mile End and Holborn / West End, and my observation is that those already on the bus from east of Mile End largely disappear by the City and rather few of those who got on the bus west of the City would still be on the bus once I've got off at Mile End. With peak journey times well over an hour I'd take my hat off to anyone who could bear such a long journey. I've used it from Stratford to Oxford Circus before, it takes a while but it's nonetheless a lot cheaper for me as it comes under my Travelcard. I'm sure I'm not the only person trying to save money in that respect.
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Post by Late Again on Apr 3, 2013 20:23:36 GMT
Just checking if I'm missing anything. I know there is plans for the 205 to be extended at night. But is there actually a proposal for the day route to be extended as well. It's proposed for the moment, for the day element to continue terminating at Bow Church Ah so this is more of a fantasy thread then. You must remember that if stagecoach did lose the route (which I hope they don't) then it would proberly be moved back to mile end station. Even though at times the stand space there could be tight.
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Post by wh541 on Apr 3, 2013 20:29:29 GMT
It's proposed for the moment, for the day element to continue terminating at Bow Church Ah so this is more of a fantasy thread then. You must remember that if stagecoach did lose the route (which I hope they don't) then it would proberly be moved back to mile end station. Even though at times the stand space there could be tight. Very unlikely they would move it back! The route was extended because East London agreed to run it at there own cost! and since then passenger usage has grown lots TFL can't simple cut the route back. Another operator can still terminate the buses at Bow Church. The same as if the 8 was lost to another operator it would stand at Bow Churxh.
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Post by Trident on Apr 3, 2013 20:33:39 GMT
It's proposed for the moment, for the day element to continue terminating at Bow Church Ah so this is more of a fantasy thread then. You must remember that if stagecoach did lose the route (which I hope they don't) then it would proberly be moved back to mile end station. Even though at times the stand space there could be tight. I think it's better for the 205 to remain at Bow Church - There's already a stand provided just West of the roundabout anyway which can cope with the frequent 205 service .
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Post by marlon101 on Apr 3, 2013 21:20:13 GMT
We need to add more stops between Stratford and Ilford. Sometimes both the 25 & 86 cant cope with the loadings in the peaks throughout Romford Road. Stratford Bus Station Margery Park Road Woodgrange Road (For Forest Gate Station) Katherine Road Woodgrange Park Station High Street North (For Manor Park Station) Ilford Hill Hainault Street I couldnt agree more though with the stops that are served west of Stratford. Problem is, make it too many stops between Ilford and Stratford and the "express" element suddenly doesn't become so much of an express element. There would still be regular stops on the 25 and 86. You've probably named the majority of the stops between Stratford and Ilford there. In this X25 fantasy then, could we not have two spurs to the express route? As in one that runs Ilford to Stratford stopping and then into the City, alongside one that performs a stopping service West of Stratford and then runs fast? Running routes in sections is no longer acceptable and rightly so, it just causes confusion. I think the 25 is ok as it is and an express service certainly would be useful, the 607 has been a great success on the Uxbridge Road for example. You would naturally give the 2 sections two different route numbers, hardly a big deal. With the section between the City and Stratford being the busiest, due to the overlap of major West End - Stratford and City/Whitechapel - Ilford flows for the 25 it's a no brainer the businest section should be strengthened. But people do do it in big numbers! Do they though? I use the 25 semi-regularly between Mile End and Holborn / West End, and my observation is that those already on the bus from east of Mile End largely disappear by the City and rather few of those who got on the bus west of the City would still be on the bus once I've got off at Mile End. With peak journey times well over an hour I'd take my hat off to anyone who could bear such a long journey.[/quote] As I suggested above, my experience of off-peak travelling on the 25 is a passenger turnover of approximately one third between Mile End and Holborn - that is of course just my experience and rough estimate though. I think the day of bendies highlighted the utility of the 25 as a free alternative to the Tube. Certainly the case from friends of mine living in Bow & Ilford who work in the Chancery Lane area (not endorsed by me, the free-riding!) and this has stuck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 21:46:39 GMT
Why cant people take the train as part of the 25 runs parallel with the Central Line? The train is lot quicker then the bus. On the bus, you have to wait for over an hour to get to your destination whilst on the train, you be there in half hour.
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Post by Trident on Apr 3, 2013 21:55:36 GMT
Why cant people take the train as part of the 25 runs parallel with the Central Line? The train is lot quicker then the bus. On the bus, you have to wait for over an hour to get to your destination whilst on the train, you be there in half hour. Yes, but some people cannot really afford to pay the increased fares
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Post by T.R. on Apr 3, 2013 21:57:56 GMT
Why cant people take the train as part of the 25 runs parallel with the Central Line? The train is lot quicker then the bus. On the bus, you have to wait for over an hour to get to your destination whilst on the train, you be there in half hour. Because despite the time savings, it costs more. Example, it costs me an extra £43/month to get a Travelcard instead of a Bus Pass
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