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Post by COBO on Apr 11, 2013 12:33:10 GMT
The 112 needs double decks as it can get rammed pack at peak times.
The 226 is another route that gets rammed pack at peak times and needs 12m single deckers.
The 395 either needs a frequency increase, a double deck journey or to be converted to double deck because it can get packed at peak times.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2013 12:34:03 GMT
As mentioned by 'mredd', the P4 has needed DD's for a number of years now.
The 355 needs DD's, it's extremely overloaded during the peaks between Brixton & Tooting and there are no physical restrictions along the route.
The 289 needs DD's again for overcrowding reasons between Addiscombe & Purley Way. Quite why it got 10.8m ENX's instead of DD's is a mystery!
The 109 & N109 need tightening up of their timetables during the evening & nighttime, this would eradicate the always present slow running on the route.
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Post by romfordbuses on Apr 11, 2013 14:45:40 GMT
Going to be brave here....
499 - I think it recently had a frequency increase (?) but it could do with being perhaps every 15 mins.
375 - Do I need to provide reasons? It should be every 30 mins!
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Post by marlon101 on Apr 11, 2013 14:55:19 GMT
The C1 is always heavily loaded. The DEs are always over-full most times of the day. It's quite a useful local link but is very well-used. Victoria - Sloane Square - Knightbridge - South Kensington - Earl's Court - Kensington High Street - Olympia - Shepherds Bush - White City. The route could definetly do with DDs or more buses Not sure about DD-ing but I definitely agree that a few more SDs and more creative scheduling would help the C1 out. Can I propose that the 492 is underbussed but for reasons other than capacity? Surely there has got to be a better way of improving that set up? North Cray always dead. Perhaps there's something that could be done with a B-route in that area. Nobody uses it to link up Sidcup/Bexley and Bluewater on the grounds that it takes an absolute age to reach Bluewater, people preferring to alight at Bexleyheath and subsequently board a 96. Frequency may be an issue as to why its not overwhelmingly used. I'm sure I'll be told why its a bad idea, but perhaps the 233 could poke its nose into the North Cray estate on its way from Sidcup to Swanley? |
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 11, 2013 18:26:52 GMT
The C1 is always heavily loaded. The DEs are always over-full most times of the day. It's quite a useful local link but is very well-used. Victoria - Sloane Square - Knightbridge - South Kensington - Earl's Court - Kensington High Street - Olympia - Shepherds Bush - White City. The route could definetly do with DDs or more buses Not sure about DD-ing but I definitely agree that a few more SDs and more creative scheduling would help the C1 out. Can I propose that the 492 is underbussed but for reasons other than capacity? Surely there has got to be a better way of improving that set up? North Cray always dead. Perhaps there's something that could be done with a B-route in that area. Nobody uses it to link up Sidcup/Bexley and Bluewater on the grounds that it takes an absolute age to reach Bluewater, people preferring to alight at Bexleyheath and subsequently board a 96. Frequency may be an issue as to why its not overwhelmingly used. I'm sure I'll be told why its a bad idea, but perhaps the 233 could poke its nose into the North Cray estate on its way from Sidcup to Swanley? There's a reason to why the 233 is operated with 8.9m buses even though it can take 10.8m buses. Think the reason is due to certain areas where passengers are only able to Alight from 1 door. |
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Post by Late Again on Apr 11, 2013 18:44:21 GMT
Two routes I can think of is the 257 always packed nothing to back it up between the thatched house and harrow green. And the 308 maybe double deck it and run more buses in Sundays. 30 minutes is surely not good for a Sunday these days.
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Post by Late Again on Apr 11, 2013 18:56:31 GMT
I feel there are a lot of interesting things being discussed here recently regarding a lot of routes. Some of which running to standard and loads of debates on how to improve some routes. I deliberately titled the thread this way so then we could try to prevent heated debates when people disagree with something they feel isn't exactly so. You can feel free to suggest routes that you feel could be improved capacity or frequency wise To start this off, I think that the D6 should be converted to double deck. It's a heavily used route particularly in the peaks, during the off-peaks you can see a certain number of people using it too. I don't think the current E200 Darts would be sustainable for the route and I think extra capacity should be provided for such an important link from Hackney to the Docklands. I agree about the D6 if the lesser used D7 can have double deckers. Why not the more poplular D6. Then I would put the E200,s on the 108 so there is more reliable buses then bring some ED's back to rainham for wh541's idea for a extra bus or two for the 300. |
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Post by wh541 on Apr 11, 2013 19:28:21 GMT
I feel there are a lot of interesting things being discussed here recently regarding a lot of routes. Some of which running to standard and loads of debates on how to improve some routes. I deliberately titled the thread this way so then we could try to prevent heated debates when people disagree with something they feel isn't exactly so. You can feel free to suggest routes that you feel could be improved capacity or frequency wise To start this off, I think that the D6 should be converted to double deck. It's a heavily used route particularly in the peaks, during the off-peaks you can see a certain number of people using it too. I don't think the current E200 Darts would be sustainable for the route and I think extra capacity should be provided for such an important link from Hackney to the Docklands. I agree about the D6 if the lesser used D7 can have double deckers. Why not the more poplular D6. Then I would put the E200,s on the 108 so there is more reliable buses then bring some ED's back to rainham for wh541's idea for a extra bus or two for the 300. So you would leave the DDs on the D7? this means extra DDs would have to be brought for the D6? why do a swap and save money? a few 2008 ex 425 scanias could be used to balance the difference |
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Post by wh541 on Apr 11, 2013 19:50:04 GMT
So you would leave the DDs on the D7? this means extra DDs would have to be brought for the D6? why do a swap and save money? a few 2008 ex 425 scanias could be used to balance the difference There's 9 SOCs coming spare from the 425 - and the D8's PVR is 8. Why not just refurb them up and use them on the D8? Why should it be one or the other, that doesn't really improve much. But we talking about the D6 and D7  |
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Post by IanF on Apr 11, 2013 19:52:14 GMT
I feel there are a lot of interesting things being discussed here recently regarding a lot of routes. Some of which running to standard and loads of debates on how to improve some routes. I deliberately titled the thread this way so then we could try to prevent heated debates when people disagree with something they feel isn't exactly so. You can feel free to suggest routes that you feel could be improved capacity or frequency wise To start this off, I think that the D6 should be converted to double deck. It's a heavily used route particularly in the peaks, during the off-peaks you can see a certain number of people using it too. I don't think the current E200 Darts would be sustainable for the route and I think extra capacity should be provided for such an important link from Hackney to the Docklands. I agree about the D6 if the lesser used D7 can have double deckers. Why not the more poplular D6. Then I would put the E200,s on the 108 so there is more reliable buses then bring some ED's back to rainham for wh541's idea for a extra bus or two for the 300. The SE's also have blinds for the 108 so they wouldn't need to change blinds over straight away with the retender happening in the next year if it doesn't gain an extension. |
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Post by wh541 on Apr 11, 2013 19:54:33 GMT
I agree about the D6 if the lesser used D7 can have double deckers. Why not the more poplular D6. Then I would put the E200,s on the 108 so there is more reliable buses then bring some ED's back to rainham for wh541's idea for a extra bus or two for the 300. The SE's also have blinds for the 108 so they wouldn't need to change blinds over straight away with the retender happening in the next year if it doesn't gain an extension. I only thought the 300 batch at BE had blinds for the 108 as when extras ran during the games it was reported the SEs ran with blank blinds. Maybe they didn't bother setting them for the games |
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Post by Late Again on Apr 11, 2013 19:59:56 GMT
The SE's also have blinds for the 108 so they wouldn't need to change blinds over straight away with the retender happening in the next year if it doesn't gain an extension. I only thought the 300 batch at BE had blinds for the 108 as when extras ran during the games it was reported the SEs ran with blank blinds. Maybe they didn't bother setting them for the games I only saw firsts DMC's running as extra single deckers on the 108. I didn't see any others |
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Post by wh541 on Apr 11, 2013 20:01:33 GMT
I only thought the 300 batch at BE had blinds for the 108 as when extras ran during the games it was reported the SEs ran with blank blinds. Maybe they didn't bother setting them for the games I only saw firsts DMC's running as extra single deckers on the 108. I didn't see any others A few SE's escaped briefly |
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Post by Late Again on Apr 11, 2013 20:03:27 GMT
[/quote] So you would leave the DDs on the D7? this means extra DDs would have to be brought for the D6? why do a swap and save money? a few 2008 ex 425 scanias could be used to balance the difference [/quote]
Well I was thinking of the 425 buses as well. But where could the other 7 suitable double deckers come from.
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Post by wh541 on Apr 11, 2013 20:06:27 GMT
So you would leave the DDs on the D7? this means extra DDs would have to be brought for the D6? why do a swap and save money? a few 2008 ex 425 scanias could be used to balance the difference [/quote] Well I was thinking of the 425 buses as well. But where could the other 7 suitable double deckers come from. [/quote] thats what I was saying swap the D6 and D7 and the balance using the former 425 buses ;D |
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