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Post by Trident on Apr 11, 2013 20:08:37 GMT
Two routes I can think of is the 257 always packed nothing to back it up between the thatched house and harrow green. And the 308 maybe double deck it and run more buses in Sundays. 30 minutes is surely not good for a Sunday these days. The 257 between Thatched House and Leytonstone Harrow Green is not too busy as you think, loadings between the two areas only really pick up in the peaks. |
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 11, 2013 20:21:05 GMT
I have always thought that the D6 should be double decked. The D7 carries as much as thin air around a lot of the day. The D6 is mainly at its full capacity when I see it. I don't know how TFL came to this conclusion that the D6 does not need Double Deckers. The D7 could actually cope with Single Deckers.
Also the D7 does not need to run every 8 mins. I think the frequency should be reduced to every 12 mins.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 11, 2013 20:34:05 GMT
I have always thought that the D6 should be double decked. The D7 carries as much as thin air around a lot of the day. The D6 is mainly at its full capacity when I see it. I don't know how TFL came to this conclusion that the D6 does not need Double Deckers. The D7 could actually cope with Single Deckers. Also the D7 does not need to run every 8 mins. I think the frequency should be reduced to every 12 mins. I think TFL and Go Ahead need to do some planning and convert both the D6 & D8 to double decker. I'm so glad the 132 was double decked. At night one time at North Greenwich I saw a Double decker on the 132 at full capacity and no DWL could cope with that load. I think the D7 should remain double decker though I have seen it at full before but everyone was on the lower deck alighted at East India Dock Road  , Which is why the D7 could also cope with Single deckers. Tbh I think the D7 PVR and Frequency should be reduced to every 12 mins. Buses would probably be carrying a lot more people as well. I think the D7 is over bussed. Existing PVLs from the 87 could be used for a start. Existing PVNs from the 67 as well. The redundant SEs can upgrade the 108 and W19. |
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Post by Trident on Apr 11, 2013 20:42:18 GMT
I have always thought that the D6 should be double decked. The D7 carries as much as thin air around a lot of the day. The D6 is mainly at its full capacity when I see it. I don't know how TFL came to this conclusion that the D6 does not need Double Deckers. The D7 could actually cope with Single Deckers. Also the D7 does not need to run every 8 mins. I think the frequency should be reduced to every 12 mins. Problem is, having used the D7 during the school periods at one occassion - It gets too busy and often crowded. I do agree though that the route could have a frequency reduction, or perhaps additional peak journeys would only run when needed. |
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 11, 2013 20:46:15 GMT
I have always thought that the D6 should be double decked. The D7 carries as much as thin air around a lot of the day. The D6 is mainly at its full capacity when I see it. I don't know how TFL came to this conclusion that the D6 does not need Double Deckers. The D7 could actually cope with Single Deckers. Also the D7 does not need to run every 8 mins. I think the frequency should be reduced to every 12 mins. Problem is, having used the D7 during the school periods at one occassion - It gets too busy and often crowded. I do agree though that the route could have a frequency reduction, or perhaps additional peak journeys would only run when needed. I see, it makes sense now, but why not have the frequency every 8 mins during the School rush and every 12 minutes at normal times during the day. Every 12 mins at all times during the School Holidays |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2013 22:49:34 GMT
Of the three D routes mentioned, the only one I've used is the D7 and it definitely needs those deckers. I agree with reducing the frequency a little but it needs to keep those deckers.
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 12, 2013 0:29:45 GMT
I have always thought that the D6 should be double decked. The D7 carries as much as thin air around a lot of the day. The D6 is mainly at its full capacity when I see it. I don't know how TFL came to this conclusion that the D6 does not need Double Deckers. The D7 could actually cope with Single Deckers. Also the D7 does not need to run every 8 mins. I think the frequency should be reduced to every 12 mins. To be honest, I wouldn't like to see any downward conversions on any route, so I reckon the D7 should keep deckers, though I agree there are far too many D7s - 12 minutes does sound more reasonable, and the loadings would then be probably more concentrated, justifying the deckers. As for the D6, there's various options around - the PVNs and PVLs are available as you say. Personally, I reckon the PVLs are too old now for a contract starting late 2011 - even the schools ones will renew in 2015. The 132 got away with it on the basis that it was seriously needed and that the contract would be up by 2014 (or 2016 with extension - though would one be granted with those elderly vehicles?). The PVNs are probably just within the age range, though would need a good refurb to be up to lasting another 3 and a half years. There's also the SOCs though they'd only cover half the required buses for the D6. Hybrid conversions over the next few years may throw up spare buses for the D6 and other routes to use anyway. Regarding the D8, I've never felt decker conversion to be quite as necessary. There's meant to be a re-routing around Stratford City that will allow deckers soon, though whether it really needs them is questionable. Even after waiting 25 minutes for one, the bus was packed but we weren't up to the front windscreen and nobody was left behind. Perhaps if there's some spare buses knocking about, it might be worthwhile though there are other routes in the Go-Ahead fleet that deserve it more - the 163, 164, 200, 219, 355 all spring to mind (and even the 42 if issues in North Dulwich can be resolved) Double deckers can run on the D8 I regularly see NIS 97's and 241's coming out of warton road to go empty back to WH however I dont really think the D8 needs them to be honest it does get fairly packed in the day but its not too bad , As for the D6 I do think this route should be Double decked again as buses are mainly packed through out the day and especially during peaks it was re double decked for a month or two during 2009 I think while the DMLs were borrowed somewhere else and they were justifiably used so yeah definitely needs them , the D7 during peaks it does need DD'S and is heavily used along with the 135 from Canary wharf outside peaks a frequency reduction to every 10 minutes wouldnt be too bad and as for the D3 every 10 minutes on a sunday would be good . |
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Post by cc2005 on Apr 12, 2013 13:16:36 GMT
I would put single deckers on the C3 and double-deck the C1.
The C3 doesn't need double deckers - it always seems to be lightly used. And even in the peaks, it's never full. Ok, I wouldn't put Solos back on it, but E200 sized buses.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 18:44:19 GMT
434 to run later in the evening. I have looked at the new timeable for when Metrobus take it over in Aug but no later buses, although a sunday service is getting introduced.
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Post by Steve80 on Apr 13, 2013 5:08:41 GMT
I would put single deckers on the C3 and double-deck the C1. The C3 doesn't need double deckers - it always seems to be lightly used. And even in the peaks, it's never full. Ok, I wouldn't put Solos back on it, but E200 sized buses. I find the C3 being slightly busy between clapham junction and wandsworth bridge. Im sure I remember picking up a few at earls courts. Can't seem to recall having major issues though. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Apr 13, 2013 8:01:14 GMT
For those who mentioned 69 or 257, I think both are fine. I take the 69 full route at least 4 times a week, it copes well. And I think the 257 is best route in Waltham Forest (W16 close behind).
I agree with snoogle with 123 on Sundays, it definitely needs to be more frequent.
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Post by Trident on Apr 13, 2013 8:04:48 GMT
For those who mentioned 69 or 257, I think both are fine. I take the 69 full route at least 4 times a week, it copes well. And I think the 257 is best route in Waltham Forest (W16 close behind). I agree with snoogle with 123 on Sundays, it definitely needs to be more frequent. I agree, the 69 does flow fairly well particularly during the off-peak periods and the 97 extension to Stratford City has helped relieved loadings on this route. As for the 257 it gets at it's busiest in the peak periods but generally in the off peak yet again there's a good flow along the route. |
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Post by wh541 on Apr 13, 2013 8:57:37 GMT
For those who mentioned 69 or 257, I think both are fine. I take the 69 full route at least 4 times a week, it copes well. And I think the 257 is best route in Waltham Forest (W16 close behind). I agree with snoogle with 123 on Sundays, it definitely needs to be more frequent. I agree, the 69 does flow fairly well particularly during the off-peak periods and the 97 extension to Stratford City has helped relieved loadings on this route. As for the 257 it gets at it's busiest in the peak periods but generally in the off peak yet again there's a good flow along the route. well all I can say is I must be very unlucky every 69 I catch Perhaps it is because I use it from the Canning Town end.... who knows.... |
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Post by sw11simon on Apr 13, 2013 10:39:32 GMT
I would put single deckers on the C3 and double-deck the C1. The C3 doesn't need double deckers - it always seems to be lightly used. And even in the peaks, it's never full. Ok, I wouldn't put Solos back on it, but E200 sized buses. I find the C3 being slightly busy between clapham junction and wandsworth bridge. Im sure I remember picking up a few at earls courts. Can't seem to recall having major issues though. Regular user of the C3 here - it could use single decks and I've never been on a full one but don't forget there are a lot of housing developments around Wandsworth Bridge, Imperial Wharf and I know the money from the Battersea Reach development given for transport was used to enhance the C3 - so DD's would probably have to stay for political reasons. The contract has just renewed with new double decks... |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 13, 2013 12:30:40 GMT
I agree, the 69 does flow fairly well particularly during the off-peak periods and the 97 extension to Stratford City has helped relieved loadings on this route. As for the 257 it gets at it's busiest in the peak periods but generally in the off peak yet again there's a good flow along the route. well all I can say is I must be very unlucky every 69 I catch Perhaps it is because I use it from the Canning Town end.... who knows.... I think it is where you catch the 69. The 69 is largely on its own at the Canning Town end and this is why it will get rammed. There are obviously very strong flows to the various tube and train services. I agree with the remarks about the 69, 97 and 257 north of Stratford. There is a bit more balance and more overlaps which help spread the load. Upping the 97's frequency certainly helped on the Walthamstow - Stratford section. I fear, though, that once the East Village at Stratford fills up with residents and the 97 is rerouted that we will be back to square one. The 97 has consistently decent loadings in and out of Stratford City but these will rise when it is diverted. Leyton Tube in the peak is an utter nightmare on all routes towards Walthamstow. The old 97 used to arrive empty so could take up a lot of slack. Now it arrives 33-50% full so has less impact on the crowds. It will have even less capacity in the future which will worsen the travel experience for those interchanging at Leyton. I made this point in my consultation response on the Olympic Park changes so here's hoping TfL do more than just stick one extra peak bus on the 97. |
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, Which is why the D7 could also cope with Single deckers. 
