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Post by lonmark on Apr 15, 2013 8:51:11 GMT
consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/route-350-1Bus service proposal: route 350 Overview The London bus network is kept under regular review. As part of this, we develop proposals for changes to bus services. Why We Are Consulting We have developed proposals for route 350 and would like to hear your views. Route 350: Hayes and Harlington Station – Heathrow Airport, Terminal 5 Route 350 currently runs every 12 minutes during the day on Mondays to Saturdays and every 20 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. Double-deck vehicles were introduced in March 2012, principally to meet increased demand at peak times between Hayes and Stockley Park. A recent review has shown that that this has been successful in relieving crowding. In the same review we looked at weekend demand. On Saturdays usage is significantly less than on Mondays to Fridays and similar to usage on Sundays. We are therefore proposing to reduce the Saturday daytime service from every 12 minutes to every 20 minutes in line with the Sunday service. This will better match demand with capacity at this time while still providing reasonable frequencies. The service will continue to run seven days per week with first and last buses as now. When would the proposals be introduced? We are proposing that the change to the Saturday service would be introduced in June 2013, subject to the comments received as part of this consultation. Have your say We would be grateful for your feedback on our proposals for route 350. Please have your say by completing our online survey below by 17 May 2013.
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Post by Jack on Apr 15, 2013 9:06:11 GMT
Makes sense I guess. Would be interesting to see a comparison of usage figures now that double decks have been introduced as I struggle to see any difference/stress relieved. I had never been on a packed 350 E200 let alone a trident!
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Post by IanF on Apr 15, 2013 16:47:08 GMT
Makes sense I guess. Would be interesting to see a comparison of usage figures now that double decks have been introduced as I struggle to see any difference/stress relieved. I had never been on a packed 350 E200 let alone a trident! Can Abellio do a trial week with the trident's on the 112 and the e200's on the 350 to see if that would make more sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 17:20:14 GMT
Makes sense I guess. Would be interesting to see a comparison of usage figures now that double decks have been introduced as I struggle to see any difference/stress relieved. I had never been on a packed 350 E200 let alone a trident! Can Abellio do a trial week with the trident's on the 112 and the e200's on the 350 to see if that would make more sense. There were loads of Tridents free from the 3 - I don't know why routes like the 112, 152, 235, 407, R-routes weren't considered instead of the 350. |
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Post by M1199 on Apr 15, 2013 17:58:04 GMT
Makes sense I guess. Would be interesting to see a comparison of usage figures now that double decks have been introduced as I struggle to see any difference/stress relieved. I had never been on a packed 350 E200 let alone a trident! Totally agree with you, although I have witnessed a Trident with a standing load!  And I would of gone 1 further and decreased the mon-fri off peak service to every 15min. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 15, 2013 18:06:07 GMT
Can Abellio do a trial week with the trident's on the 112 and the e200's on the 350 to see if that would make more sense. There were loads of Tridents free from the 3 - I don't know why routes like the 112, 152, 235, 407, R-routes weren't considered instead of the 350. 33 spare if you include the 157  |
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Post by TA1 on Apr 15, 2013 18:10:16 GMT
Makes sense I guess. Would be interesting to see a comparison of usage figures now that double decks have been introduced as I struggle to see any difference/stress relieved. I had never been on a packed 350 E200 let alone a trident! Can Abellio do a trial week with the trident's on the 112 and the e200's on the 350 to see if that would make more sense. The 112 isn't operated with E200's, The Tridents are needed maybe not throughout the day but at Peaks yes, I feel that they're and from observation. I've seen Buses leave passengers at stops on the North Circular road in the Westbound direction in the AM & PM peaks. |
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Post by IanF on Apr 15, 2013 18:15:13 GMT
Can Abellio do a trial week with the trident's on the 112 and the e200's on the 350 to see if that would make more sense. The 112 isn't operated with E200's, The Tridents are needed maybe not throughout the day but at Peaks yes, I feel that they're and from observation. I've seen Buses leave passengers at stops on the North Circular road in the Westbound direction in the AM & PM peaks. ok then single decks on the 350 |
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Post by TA1 on Apr 15, 2013 18:37:49 GMT
Maybe all the 350 needed was some extra Peak Hour Journeys in the form of a double decker or two but thinking about having a micro fleet of two at a single decker garage isn't economical.
Hopefully upon tender, whoever wins the 112 next orders logically to meet passenger demand. I.e. - orders full sized single deckers or double deckers if patronage increases on the route.
I've seen videos from Jack on YouTube filming single deckers on the 350, current 112 fleet and former H28 fleet the loadings looked light but maybe jack or MCWM1199 can elaborate on loadings on the route.
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Post by Trident on Apr 15, 2013 19:11:01 GMT
The 112 isn't operated with E200's, The Tridents are needed maybe not throughout the day but at Peaks yes, I feel that they're and from observation. I've seen Buses leave passengers at stops on the North Circular road in the Westbound direction in the AM & PM peaks. ok then single decks on the 350 To be precise, the 112 has an allocation of Nimbuses . |
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Post by M1199 on Apr 15, 2013 20:05:30 GMT
Maybe all the 350 needed was some extra Peak Hour Journeys in the form of a double decker or two but thinking about having a micro fleet of two at a single decker garage isn't economical. Hopefully upon tender, whoever wins the 112 next orders logically to meet passenger demand. I.e. - orders full sized single deckers or double deckers if patronage increases on the route. I've seen videos from Jack on YouTube filming single deckers on the 350, current 112 fleet and former H28 fleet the loadings looked light but maybe jack or MCWM1199 can elaborate on loadings on the route. It could operate very comfortably with 10.2m single deckers with the exception of 2am/2pm peak journeys, these journeys are where the 2nd deck comes in useful, carrying workers to & from Stockley Business Park, even then, those runs are only busy from Hayes & Harlington stn - Stockley pk. As this warranted a scheduled turn on the timetable up to a few years ago. Obviously you get better connections from Hayes than at West Drayton. Outside of those times, that upper deck virtually carries fresh air, from my living room window, I rarely see more than 5 seated upstairs and thats when there's still space downstairs. Every time I've travelled up top, I don't think I've seen more than 4 people up there with me. As you say, it's not economical just to run a fleet of just 1 or 2 buses for this and it's a waste of assets. When they had the Volvo - 9066 (scheduled to run 2 short turns, mon-fri) it was often used throughout the day, all day and was sometimes not on the workings it was supposed to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 20:09:53 GMT
Maybe all the 350 needed was some extra Peak Hour Journeys in the form of a double decker or two but thinking about having a micro fleet of two at a single decker garage isn't economical. Hopefully upon tender, whoever wins the 112 next orders logically to meet passenger demand. I.e. - orders full sized single deckers or double deckers if patronage increases on the route. I've seen videos from Jack on YouTube filming single deckers on the 350, current 112 fleet and former H28 fleet the loadings looked light but maybe jack or MCWM1199 can elaborate on loadings on the route. Just to throw this into the mix, didn't the 350 have a micro-allocation of Geminis at one point which only ran peak journeys? I'm sure I remember there being a Volvo or 2 at WS at one point. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 15, 2013 20:17:52 GMT
Maybe all the 350 needed was some extra Peak Hour Journeys in the form of a double decker or two but thinking about having a micro fleet of two at a single decker garage isn't economical. Hopefully upon tender, whoever wins the 112 next orders logically to meet passenger demand. I.e. - orders full sized single deckers or double deckers if patronage increases on the route. I've seen videos from Jack on YouTube filming single deckers on the 350, current 112 fleet and former H28 fleet the loadings looked light but maybe jack or MCWM1199 can elaborate on loadings on the route. Just to throw this into the mix, didn't the 350 have a micro-allocation of Geminis at one point which only ran peak journeys? I'm sure I remember there being a Volvo or 2 at WS at one point. Yes it did. For some reason that was considered not to be optimal. I understand the 350 has big peak loadings but not otherwise. Quite how this cannot be coped with by appropriate scheduling of deckers on the required journeys I don't know. The consensus here is that double deckers would bring greater benefit elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 20:23:00 GMT
Just to throw this into the mix, didn't the 350 have a micro-allocation of Geminis at one point which only ran peak journeys? I'm sure I remember there being a Volvo or 2 at WS at one point. Yes it did. For some reason that was considered not to be optimal. I understand the 350 has big peak loadings but not otherwise. Quite how this cannot be coped with by appropriate scheduling of deckers on the required journeys I don't know. The consensus here is that double deckers would bring greater benefit elsewhere. It does make you wonder how a route like the 350 can end up with deckers, but more appropriate routes end up neglected. Targeted decker workings are usually fine, provided the decker is actually used (see: 407), and they can always be cross-linked with a second decker route in a lot of cases. Admittedly WS was isolated in this case, but then having one decker which might not go out all the time is hardly inefficient - and it can always do extra day workings if felt appropriate, as was suggested the Volvo did! |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 15, 2013 20:26:36 GMT
Maybe all the 350 needed was some extra Peak Hour Journeys in the form of a double decker or two but thinking about having a micro fleet of two at a single decker garage isn't economical. Hopefully upon tender, whoever wins the 112 next orders logically to meet passenger demand. I.e. - orders full sized single deckers or double deckers if patronage increases on the route. I've seen videos from Jack on YouTube filming single deckers on the 350, current 112 fleet and former H28 fleet the loadings looked light but maybe jack or MCWM1199 can elaborate on loadings on the route. Just to throw this into the mix, didn't the 350 have a micro-allocation of Geminis at one point which only ran peak journeys? I'm sure I remember there being a Volvo or 2 at WS at one point. When the H50 was renumbered 350 & converted to single deck, one Gemini remained to run a peak journey - the other couple of Gemini's must of transferred to BC. That's how I remember it anyway ;D |
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And I would of gone 1 further and decreased the mon-fri off peak service to every 15min.
