What bus routes should become 24-hour?

[ilovelondonbuses]

I think 319 should be a 24-hour route as currently Wandsworth, Tooting-Streatham corridor residents have no night route available.

Another, would be 141 is usually full at night even when the last bus of the day arrives.

What do you think?

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96,123 and 154

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Apr 19, 2013 3:55:39 GMT ilovelondonbuses said:

I think 319 should be a 24-hour route as currently Wandsworth, Tooting-Streatham corridor residents have no night route available.

Another, would be 141 is usually full at night even when the last bus of the day arrives.

What do you think?

I always thought the 141 actually had a 24-hour service, I was quite surprised to discover it didn't. I definitely agree with you.

One I would suggest gets a 24-hour service is either the 122 or P4. Just because I'm fed up of getting stuck in Lewisham! ;D Also if you live around Forest Hill your only alternative in the evenings becomes going all the way to Camberwell on a N136 then getting on the 24-hr 176. The last journeys on the P4 always seem to have a lot of people.

[mondraker275]

Apr 19, 2013 6:51:39 GMT @antman said:

96,123 and 154

123 on he A406 at night could be fun but dangerous. I think the Tottenham end is covered and the demand wont be there in the East End of the route.

A bit biased but 275 should be 24 hours, as it serves many areas that dont have any night services.

And just for fun, 247 should be running 24-7, otherwise re-number it! ;D

[southlondonbus]

The 154 for should defo be 24 hour. the 319 could be covered by an extension of the N19.

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Apr 19, 2013 3:55:39 GMT ilovelondonbuses said:

I think 319 should be a 24-hour route as currently Wandsworth, Tooting-Streatham corridor residents have no night route available.

I totally agree. You can do a circle from Clapham Common to Streatham Hill (N137) to Tooting Broadway (57) to Wandsworth (N44) to Clapham Common (37) which covers a large residential area but within it there is only the N155 between Tooting and Clapham Common.

As you say that leaves the Tooting Bec Road, Trinity Road, and Wandsworth Common areas with no easy access to any service without long walk. I am amazed the N19 has not been extended, or the 19 and 319 made into 24-hour routes.

[vjaska]

I know they ain't 24 hour routes but two I'd like to see removed rather than added is the N109 & N64. IMO, it was much better when the N159 ran along that corridor and it didn't have such a lax timetable like its replacement, the N109. Also, with the introduction of the N109, Norbury to Croydon gained a less frequent night service. So I'd remove the N109 & N64 but most probably keep the 159 and run it alongside a re-introduced N159 running along its original route with its original timetable.

[vjaska]

Apr 19, 2013 8:11:34 GMT someone said:

Apr 19, 2013 3:55:39 GMT ilovelondonbuses said:

I think 319 should be a 24-hour route as currently Wandsworth, Tooting-Streatham corridor residents have no night route available.

I totally agree. You can do a circle from Clapham Common to Streatham Hill (N137) to Tooting Broadway (57) to Wandsworth (N44) to Clapham Common (37) which covers a large residential area but within it there is only the N155 between Tooting and Clapham Common.

As you say that leaves the Tooting Bec Road, Trinity Road, and Wandsworth Common areas with no easy access to any service without long walk. I am amazed the N19 has not been extended, or the 19 and 319 made into 24-hour routes.

Be better to extend the N19 to Telford Avenue than make the 19 & 319 24 hours as it would require a change for anyone using the 19 who wants to get to Clapham Junction which is a big night hotspot.

[snoggle]

Do we not already have a fairly "rough and ready" list with the buses that run all night on NYE? Some of them could be discounted because they run on NYE as supplements to the existing night bus service (e.g. 97 and 73).

The list from the last booklet in 2011 was

5, 51, 66, 73, 92, 96, 97, 103, 109, 113, 114, 116, 120, 121, 123, 133, 145, 154, 157, 161, 163, 164, 169, 174, 178, 183, 207, 208, 209, 210, 217, 221, 222, 229, 248, 252, 261, 262, 269, 275, 314, 319, 340, 358, 412, 422, 432, 436, 444, C10, E1, E7, H12, H37, U3, U4, W3, W7.

TfL did have plans for 24 hour services on the 141 and W3 but they came to nought. Rumour I heard was that Arriva's costs were too high and then we got the budget squeeze. From the above list I'd take out the 109, 113 (N113 now runs), 133, 169, 207.

I understand the comments about a night 123. It would need careful scheduling given the intensity of the N73 service between Tottenham and Bell Corner. However I do think it would provide a really good orbital night link - it fills in a big gap. If you can justify the 83 running 24 hours why not the 123? Would need a PVR of 4 buses on a x30 headway.

I would also run night 34 on the same basis - fills a big orbital gap and links to several tube stations (I know there are no trains at night but they are still places people travel to) and many radial night services. There is only a 3.5 hours gap between last and first buses so only 7 or 8 extra departures on a x30 headway. On short turnrounds it would need 3 buses, on a more robust schedule 4.

I also think a night W15 would also be popular - again a x30 headway, PVR would be 4.

[Volvo]

274 should be 24 hour again, it was very well used and is missed now. I will never understand why it got scrapped.

[M1104]

The 77 would be a good candidate as when I did the N37 and N77 (now the 37 and N87) I often got asked at Clapham Junction if it goes to Tooting or "what bus goes to Tooting". I am surprised there is no night link between those two areas as there appears to be a demand for it.

Two alternative suggestions would be to;

* make the 219 a 24 hour route

* Divert the Sutton bound N44 from York Road via the 170 into Clapham Junction then via 295/C3 back to York Road

(ie, left into Plough Lane, left into Grant Road, right into Falcon Road, right into St John's Hill, right into Plough Road, left into York Road)

No bus stops would be missed out along York Road. The Aldwych bound N44 would do the same CLJN loop in reverse.

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Apr 19, 2013 8:16:28 GMT vjaska said:

Also, with the introduction of the N109, Norbury to Croydon gained a less frequent night service.

Am I missing something? The N159 only ran every half hour beyond Streatham, even at weekends, while he N109 runs every 20 minutes daily.

On the N19, I agree an extension would be better for everyone as it would also give south London better links to the west end beyond Sloane Square.

[vjaska]

Apr 19, 2013 12:06:54 GMT someone said:

Apr 19, 2013 8:16:28 GMT vjaska said:

Also, with the introduction of the N109, Norbury to Croydon gained a less frequent night service.

Am I missing something? The N159 only ran every half hour beyond Streatham, even at weekends, while he N109 runs every 20 minutes daily.

On the N19, I agree an extension would be better for everyone as it would also give south London better links to the west end beyond Sloane Square.

Even if I got that wrong, the N159 still run much better than the N109. People from New Addington & Shirley have to change between Croydon & Thornton Heath - hardly desirable and then when they do change, the N109 is a painfully slow ride. The N109 is also empty compared to the N159 which was full.

[M1104]

Extend the N133 to Morden or make the 118 a 24 hour route. The former would be better as the latter would break the existing night link.

[bigbaddom1981]

I think the following routes should be 24 hours

W3, W7, 144, 29 and 329 to replace N29. 102 re-routed via Montagu Road/Bounces Road to provide a 24H service there and other capacity improvements.
192 could be 24H too as it provides some decent links.

I'd also make 217 24H to provide the night service that lacks on the A10 corridor