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Post by snoggle on May 12, 2013 12:12:59 GMT
What new cross boundary services or links would you create on the TfL bus network? I know we've had a few ideas in the "invent bus routes" thread.
I'm thinking about modest proposals to fill in links or to extend existing TfL services a modest distance. Supplementary "add-in" services to add evening or Sunday services or to fund extension of commercial routes are allowed.
This is NOT about huge long routes to Brighton or Stevenage nor about competing with very frequent deregulated services like Fastrack in Kent.
A couple of ideas from me.
Extend TfL route 20 to Epping to link to other services there.
Fund the re-extension of Network Harlow's 505 back to Walthamstow Central - ideally via Valley Side to replace the 385 service. Also add evening and Sunday service on the 505.
Provide some supplemental funding for evening and Sunday jnys on the 402 from Bromley to Sevenoaks.
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Post by VPL630 on May 12, 2013 12:24:31 GMT
20 To Epping, St Margaret's Hospital Via Epping Station would be great, don't see why they don't just do it already
84 To Potters Bar
A Route from Grays via Lakeside to Rainham or Dagenham
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Post by snoggle on May 12, 2013 12:37:35 GMT
20 To Epping, St Margaret's Hospital Via Epping Station would be great, don't see why they don't just do it already 84 To Potters Bar A Route from Grays via Lakeside to Rainham or Dagenham On your latter idea I wonder if there is some potential to play with the 347 and extend it to Grays at one end and to, say, Scratton Farm from Romford. Just run it hourly from say 0700 to 1900 M-S initially. I appreciate that's a big step up from current levels and is not direct to Dagenham but creates several links. |
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Post by Connor on May 12, 2013 12:58:54 GMT
Cut the 263 between Archway and Holloway, then extend to Potters Bar Station. Might make the route a bit long though.
Extend the 466 to Caterham Station.
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Post by john on May 12, 2013 13:07:34 GMT
20 To Epping, St Margaret's Hospital Via Epping Station would be great, don't see why they don't just do it already 84 To Potters Bar A Route from Grays via Lakeside to Rainham or Dagenham On your latter idea I wonder if there is some potential to play with the 347 and extend it to Grays at one end and to, say, Scratton Farm from Romford. Just run it hourly from say 0700 to 1900 M-S initially. I appreciate that's a big step up from current levels and is not direct to Dagenham but creates several links. I'd play it different from that myself. I would look at extending the 347 via Belhus towards Lakeside. Would provide North Havering a link to Lakeside in areas such as Harold Hill etc, rather than using a bus to Romford and then the 370. Based on that, I would then extend the 370 back to Grays IF a cross boundary service was to serve it. Of course there is already the 22 for local Ockendon residents so the 370 would be providing London residents. A possible extension of the 498, maybe to the Brentwood Centre, might also be a worthwhile extension, especially on big events there. One BIG extension that I would look at would be the 375 past Passingford Bridge. The first option would be for Ongar for me. No links between there and Romford and would then at least offer a link to Harlow from there. As for the Dagenham to Grays link......the 287 would be an idea option. Divert it from Rainham along the A1306 into Purfleet and onto Lakeside. Terminate that there and use the 370 from there OR alternatively extend the 372 to Grays also, allowing for a change at Rainham Tesco from the 287 to the 372. |
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Post by COBO on May 12, 2013 13:34:06 GMT
I would like the 614 to become a TFL route, would provide Hatfield with a TFL service, it would create a direct link between Barnet and Edgware and it should be extended to Stonebridge via Kingsbury, Fryent Way, The Paddocks, Wembley Park and Wembley Triangle.
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Post by romfordbuses on May 12, 2013 14:13:11 GMT
I'd get TfL to work with Ensign at the possibility of making the X80 a TfL route or at least provide funding so that Oyster cards can be used on it with say a £1 charge like the 575 does between Passingford Bridge and Romford. 372 to Grays would also be pretty good and would make it the same sort of length as the 370.
Also agree with the 466 to Caterham Station having used it the other day, Pretty stupid for it being possible to use the Train to get there on a Travelcard but the bus stops a mile or so away from it!
375 to Loughton via Debden instead of Ongar as it's less distance and provides a nice link to the TfL services there. I'd also extend the 20 to Epping as Dave suggested.
And clutching at straws - 498 to Shenfield when Crossrail reaches there as a useful alternative if the line is blocked etc
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Post by COBO on May 12, 2013 15:25:14 GMT
I would also like the R21 to became a TFL route.
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Post by ServerKing on May 12, 2013 16:08:18 GMT
279 to Waltham Abbey would be good - gives the town better access to Waltham Cross for trains into London  |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 16:20:50 GMT
464 Extend to Westerham from Tatsfield.
233 Extend to West Kingsdown.
B12 Extend to Swanley
371 Extend to Esher via Portsmouth Road.
265 Extend to Hinchley Wood
405 Extended non stop Redhill to Gatwick Airport
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Post by COBO on May 12, 2013 16:47:36 GMT
I would like the 216 and the 290 to extended to Thorpe Park to provide Thorpe Park with tfl services.
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Post by Connor on May 12, 2013 16:54:19 GMT
279 to Waltham Abbey would be good - gives the town better access to Waltham Cross for trains into London I'd extend the 215 from Lea Valley Campsite to Waltham Cross via Waltham Abbey instead.  |
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Post by Late Again on May 12, 2013 21:18:00 GMT
Great ideas but if you look at the bigger picture. No county council out of London would subsidise a tfl route in there area so is it left to TFL ( no spare money there) or the council tax payer to subsidise in a route which is out of there control. Yes boris wants more out of greater london rail routes. But by operating out of london you are creating competition with the outer area commercial company's. I believe the current cross boundary routes are in the right places. If you disagree then lobby for the boundarys to moved further back.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 21:40:13 GMT
405 Extended non stop Redhill to Gatwick Airport A stop at East Surrey Hospital would be useful as well |
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Post by snoggle on May 12, 2013 22:16:09 GMT
Great ideas but if you look at the bigger picture. No county council out of London would subsidise a tfl route in there area so is it left to TFL ( no spare money there) or the council tax payer to subsidise in a route which is out of there control. Yes boris wants more out of greater london rail routes. But by operating out of london you are creating competition with the outer area commercial company's. I believe the current cross boundary routes are in the right places. If you disagree then lobby for the boundarys to moved further back. Yes you're quite correct about the financial situation as well as the competition aspect. That is why I framed the question for modest extensions with minimal competitive impact outside London. Obviously there is an element of "fantasy" in asking the question but equally there are some distinct gaps in what should be easy and logical connections. Further there are options in TfL taking a more pragmatic stance about allowing "commercial" routes back over the border into London. At the moment it is quite ridiculous that if you have a car many of these links are as simple as pie but near impossible if you rely on public transport as a growing number of Londoners now do. Coverage of cross boundary links is distinctly patchy with only South West London having a reasonable blend of TfL and "commercial" links out from Hounslow / Heathrow /Kingston. |
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