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Post by snoggle on Sept 16, 2013 11:32:07 GMT
TfL press release confirms that there will be a phased introduction "over several days" of NB4Ls on route 11. Press releaseThe weather people are suggesting it will warm up next week so perhaps we will have "gently simmering Masters" rather than "Roastmasters" on route 11? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 20:12:05 GMT
Looks like TfL are keen to learn the lesson from last time. Hopefully the experience from the 24 and the cautious approach will mean a much more successful introduction of the vehicles onto the 11. I think the LTs have bedded in on the 24 really well now and I expect they'll work very well on the 11 too.
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Post by westhamgeezer on Sept 18, 2013 12:39:53 GMT
Have all vehicles now been delivered?
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Post by snoggle on Sept 18, 2013 14:03:22 GMT
Looks like TfL are keen to learn the lesson from last time. Hopefully the experience from the 24 and the cautious approach will mean a much more successful introduction of the vehicles onto the 11. I think the LTs have bedded in on the 24 really well now and I expect they'll work very well on the 11 too. They'd deserve to be pilloried if they hadn't learnt some lessons from last time! It was not far off a disaster given the breakdowns and the melt down in the service for several days. I expect City Hall have been on the phone telling TfL to manage the conversion process more effectively than for route 24. I'm not totally convinced that the heating and ventilation issues are resolved either so we can expect a flurry of complaints via Twitter even though that's not a statistically robust way of gathering opinion. Thankfully I am not lumbered with having to use route 24 or route 11 any more. EDIT - just had a look at LVF to see how the 24 is doing. About a third of the s/b service is being curtailed at various points in the West End and other buses are parked up at Warren St waiting to head north. There is also some bunching. Looks like situation normal for Metroline running the 24 then with no miracle cure offered by the "faster" NB4L. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 15:40:20 GMT
Looks like TfL are keen to learn the lesson from last time. Hopefully the experience from the 24 and the cautious approach will mean a much more successful introduction of the vehicles onto the 11. I think the LTs have bedded in on the 24 really well now and I expect they'll work very well on the 11 too. They'd deserve to be pilloried if they hadn't learnt some lessons from last time! It was not far off a disaster given the breakdowns and the melt down in the service for several days. I expect City Hall have been on the phone telling TfL to manage the conversion process more effectively than for route 24. I'm not totally convinced that the heating and ventilation issues are resolved either so we can expect a flurry of complaints via Twitter even though that's not a statistically robust way of gathering opinion. Thankfully I am not lumbered with having to use route 24 or route 11 any more. EDIT - just had a look at LVF to see how the 24 is doing. About a third of the s/b service is being curtailed at various points in the West End and other buses are parked up at Warren St waiting to head north. There is also some bunching. Looks like situation normal for Metroline running the 24 then with no miracle cure offered by the "faster" NB4L. Was it really that bad? I obviously missed it if it was. All services through Trafalgar Square were disrupted on the opening day but after that............? Or only negative comments allowed? |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 18, 2013 16:18:26 GMT
They'd deserve to be pilloried if they hadn't learnt some lessons from last time! It was not far off a disaster given the breakdowns and the melt down in the service for several days. I expect City Hall have been on the phone telling TfL to manage the conversion process more effectively than for route 24. I'm not totally convinced that the heating and ventilation issues are resolved either so we can expect a flurry of complaints via Twitter even though that's not a statistically robust way of gathering opinion. Thankfully I am not lumbered with having to use route 24 or route 11 any more. EDIT - just had a look at LVF to see how the 24 is doing. About a third of the s/b service is being curtailed at various points in the West End and other buses are parked up at Warren St waiting to head north. There is also some bunching. Looks like situation normal for Metroline running the 24 then with no miracle cure offered by the "faster" NB4L. Was it really that bad? I obviously missed it if it was. All services through Trafalgar Square were disrupted on the opening day but after that............? Or only negative comments allowed? Oh what a surprise that you appear out of the shadows with your "only positive comments allowed" hat on. My ride on the converted 24 on the first Sunday was the worst bus ride I have *ever* had in London. As I have said before I ended up with a thumping headache - not something I suffer from very much - which is very unusual for me when travelling. It is perfectly clear that NB4Ls broke down all over the place (including Trafalgar Square) in the following days - there's plenty of photographic evidence of such. It is also perfectly clear that some of the travelling public found and still find the buses too hot and stuffy. I know you will say exactly the opposite which is fine but I'm more inclined to believe a cross section of comment from the public than one set of remarks from you. You have to ask what the hell TfL spent £11m on if the production vehicles are of such poor quality. You have to hope there are some serious steps being taken by Wrightbus and the operators to get the buses "shaken down" before they are put into passenger service and that Wrightbus are a d*mn sight more rigorous in their QA checks as the things are built and then prepared for delivery. I know you like the bus - fair enough. I think it is a monstrous waste of money *but* given the order has gone ahead then we should be getting a premium quality / premium experience / premium reliability vehicle for the premium price being paid. I don't see the evidence that that is what we are getting. The Citaro K demonstrator was a nicer thing to ride on than the NB4L. I'd be happy to see some of those running around in London subject to some tweaks to the seating / wheelchair bay layout. It also garnered almost as much reaction from "passers bys" and passengers as the NB4L does. |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Sept 18, 2013 17:30:09 GMT
According to Tom Edwards Lower deck opening windows are being considered along with "some other changes" Begs the question why this wasn't considered after the experience of the 38 prototypes (I thought that was the whole point!!)
I wouldn't be surprised if the conductor is removed...there is no mention of it anywhere on the latest TfL press release about route 11, only a load of stuff about green credentials. Seeing that the open platform was supposed to be the main point, this seems stupid.
Additionally, I really dont see the point of the 8 LT's continuing on the 38 in OPO mode. Why don't they move them to another route, or convert the whole route to LT's.
I have always liked the bus, but I think the operation of it is flawed....and the door closing beeps are far too loud and irritating.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 18, 2013 17:41:42 GMT
According to Tom Edwards Lower deck opening windows are being considered along with "some other changes" Begs the question why this wasn't considered after the experience of the 38 prototypes (I thought that was the whole point!!) I wouldn't be surprised if the conductor is removed...there is no mention of it anywhere on the latest TfL press release about route 11, only a load of stuff about green credentials. Seeing that the open platform was supposed to be the main point, this seems stupid. Additionally, I really dont see the point of the 8 LT's continuing on the 38 in OPO mode. Why don't they move them to another route, or convert the whole route to LT's. I have always liked the bus, but I think the operation of it is flawed....and the door closing beeps are far too loud and irritating. The 38 only has 6 LT's - LT1-2 are touring around the world promoting British Business. LT1, at the moment, is also no longer part of Arriva (though no LT is technically owned by an operator anyway). |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Sept 18, 2013 18:19:49 GMT
According to Tom Edwards Lower deck opening windows are being considered along with "some other changes" Begs the question why this wasn't considered after the experience of the 38 prototypes (I thought that was the whole point!!) I wouldn't be surprised if the conductor is removed...there is no mention of it anywhere on the latest TfL press release about route 11, only a load of stuff about green credentials. Seeing that the open platform was supposed to be the main point, this seems stupid. Additionally, I really dont see the point of the 8 LT's continuing on the 38 in OPO mode. Why don't they move them to another route, or convert the whole route to LT's. I have always liked the bus, but I think the operation of it is flawed....and the door closing beeps are far too loud and irritating. The 38 only has 6 LT's - LT1-2 are touring around the world promoting British Business. LT1, at the moment, is also no longer part of Arriva (though no LT is technically owned by an operator anyway). Sorry, I did mean to say 6!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 10:21:08 GMT
Was it really that bad? I obviously missed it if it was. All services through Trafalgar Square were disrupted on the opening day but after that............? Or only negative comments allowed? Oh what a surprise that you appear out of the shadows with your "only positive comments allowed" hat on. My ride on the converted 24 on the first Sunday was the worst bus ride I have *ever* had in London. As I have said before I ended up with a thumping headache - not something I suffer from very much - which is very unusual for me when travelling. It is perfectly clear that NB4Ls broke down all over the place (including Trafalgar Square) in the following days - there's plenty of photographic evidence of such. It is also perfectly clear that some of the travelling public found and still find the buses too hot and stuffy. I know you will say exactly the opposite which is fine but I'm more inclined to believe a cross section of comment from the public than one set of remarks from you. You have to ask what the hell TfL spent £11m on if the production vehicles are of such poor quality. You have to hope there are some serious steps being taken by Wrightbus and the operators to get the buses "shaken down" before they are put into passenger service and that Wrightbus are a d*mn sight more rigorous in their QA checks as the things are built and then prepared for delivery. I know you like the bus - fair enough. I think it is a monstrous waste of money *but* given the order has gone ahead then we should be getting a premium quality / premium experience / premium reliability vehicle for the premium price being paid. I don't see the evidence that that is what we are getting. The Citaro K demonstrator was a nicer thing to ride on than the NB4L. I'd be happy to see some of those running around in London subject to some tweaks to the seating / wheelchair bay layout. It also garnered almost as much reaction from "passers bys" and passengers as the NB4L does. I haven't appeared out of any shadows, you do seem to make a habit of making strange statements such as the comments about RPI's that you wrongly attributed to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 10:24:12 GMT
According to Tom Edwards Lower deck opening windows are being considered along with "some other changes" Begs the question why this wasn't considered after the experience of the 38 prototypes (I thought that was the whole point!!) I wouldn't be surprised if the conductor is removed...there is no mention of it anywhere on the latest TfL press release about route 11, only a load of stuff about green credentials. Seeing that the open platform was supposed to be the main point, this seems stupid. Additionally, I really dont see the point of the 8 LT's continuing on the 38 in OPO mode. Why don't they move them to another route, or convert the whole route to LT's. I have always liked the bus, but I think the operation of it is flawed....and the door closing beeps are far too loud and irritating. No I don't see the point of still running half a dozen LT's on the 38, may as well move those buses onto the 11. I also like the bus but yes those bleeps are enough to give anybody a headache |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 19, 2013 12:46:36 GMT
I haven't appeared out of any shadows, you do seem to make a habit of making strange statements such as the comments about RPI's that you wrongly attributed to me. If you say so. The problem is that your posts contain the same themes and comments that are used by someone who posts under multiple identities across various groups. They change identities because they have been removed from said groups due to the comments made. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 19, 2013 13:15:45 GMT
They'd deserve to be pilloried if they hadn't learnt some lessons from last time! It was not far off a disaster given the breakdowns and the melt down in the service for several days. I expect City Hall have been on the phone telling TfL to manage the conversion process more effectively than for route 24. I'm not totally convinced that the heating and ventilation issues are resolved either so we can expect a flurry of complaints via Twitter even though that's not a statistically robust way of gathering opinion. Thankfully I am not lumbered with having to use route 24 or route 11 any more. EDIT - just had a look at LVF to see how the 24 is doing. About a third of the s/b service is being curtailed at various points in the West End and other buses are parked up at Warren St waiting to head north. There is also some bunching. Looks like situation normal for Metroline running the 24 then with no miracle cure offered by the "faster" NB4L. Was it really that bad? I obviously missed it if it was. All services through Trafalgar Square were disrupted on the opening day but after that............? Or only negative comments allowed? It was pretty bad TBH, the bus was very hot and it took an age just to get from Hampstead to Warren Street where I was then chucked off along with the next 24 which was right behind us - this was about 19:00 in the evening. The air-con motor was extremely loud and made the bus vibrate a lot - something I really expect an Olympian or Titan to do rather than a expensive brand new bus. |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 19, 2013 16:53:48 GMT
According to Tom Edwards Lower deck opening windows are being considered along with "some other changes" Begs the question why this wasn't considered after the experience of the 38 prototypes (I thought that was the whole point!!) I wouldn't be surprised if the conductor is removed...there is no mention of it anywhere on the latest TfL press release about route 11, only a load of stuff about green credentials. Seeing that the open platform was supposed to be the main point, this seems stupid. Additionally, I really dont see the point of the 8 LT's continuing on the 38 in OPO mode. Why don't they move them to another route, or convert the whole route to LT's. I have always liked the bus, but I think the operation of it is flawed....and the door closing beeps are far too loud and irritating. No I don't see the point of still running half a dozen LT's on the 38, may as well move those buses onto the 11. TfL may yet nominate the 38 for full conversion. |
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Post by l1group on Sept 19, 2013 18:03:59 GMT
No I don't see the point of still running half a dozen LT's on the 38, may as well move those buses onto the 11. TfL may yet nominate the 38 for full conversion. but then again, TfL know 38 is a "large PVR route", thus large scale NBfL conversions aren't on the list at the moment, it seems. That's why lower PVR routes (24, 11, 9, 390 - about 20-29 PVR-ish) were picked. Meanwhile, the first 24 journey of NBfL was 20min late (I was on the first journey myself!), and the service never really recovered since, apparently. I wonder when will be the first 11 NBfL journey officially (time wise)? |
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