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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2013 12:18:42 GMT
So how is Boris supposed to break the 'Boris bus' nickname? Vanity project my eye He can't do it now. He could have done it before the prototypes entered service if he had been minded to do so. However his ego is so enormous that he wants to have "monuments" to his "reign" at City Hall. As for your other remark - "yawn".
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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2013 12:41:22 GMT
But the bus was in service at the time and was on the wrong route, for reasons that will probably be established at a later date. Best not to jump to conclusions eh? A remote chance that a diversion may have been in force at the time. Sometimes diversions can last as little as a minute via Centrecom broadcasts (I.e. a diversion broadcasted at the exact moment that the road has been cleared, therefore a second call would be made to "return to normal line of route"). According to tweets from "Mayorwatch", who attended the TfL Board Meeting this morning, Sir Peter Hendy reported that a) the bus failed to make the correct turn. b) no mechanical failing found so far. c) TfL have not been able to conduct a brake test on the vehicle. d) the police investigation is continuing. One further aside - TfL are talking to other manufacturers to manufacture the NB4L under license. Under the terms of the contract with Wrightbus this is only possible once Wrightbus have built 1,000 NB4Ls themselves. Read into that what you like!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 13:02:11 GMT
So how is Boris supposed to break the 'Boris bus' nickname? Vanity project my eye He can't do it now. He could have done it before the prototypes entered service if he had been minded to do so. However his ego is so enormous that he wants to have "monuments" to his "reign" at City Hall. As for your other remark - "yawn". Actually I thought the 'official nickname' was the Borismaster rather than the boris bus? Still you obviously don't let small details like that prevent you sticking the boot into Boris at every opportunity <YAWN>
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Post by westhamgeezer on Sept 25, 2013 13:31:47 GMT
Would love to see 2 doored single staircase versions of the same design for the suburbs. Could either be shorter or have higher seating capacity
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Post by smiler52 on Sept 25, 2013 14:03:25 GMT
I know I should not but its just a thought that come into my mind as it said it ran the lights as well maybe there was something wrong with the bus so it could not turn right onto royal hospital road but we will have to wait and see
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 14:41:40 GMT
Would love to see 2 doored single staircase versions of the same design for the suburbs. Could either be shorter or have higher seating capacity So would I, the new Stagecoach contracts on the 54 and 75 would seem a good place to start
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Post by jay38a on Sept 25, 2013 16:02:00 GMT
Would love to see 2 doored single staircase versions of the same design for the suburbs. Could either be shorter or have higher seating capacity So would I, the new Stagecoach contracts on the 54 and 75 would seem a good place to start Stagecoach have already said they are buying hybrids for the 54/75 so you can count NB4Ls out for that as they are leased from TfL.
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Post by snowman on Sept 25, 2013 16:18:13 GMT
So would I, the new Stagecoach contracts on the 54 and 75 would seem a good place to start Stagecoach have already said they are buying hybrids for the 54/75 so you can count NB4Ls out for that as they are leased from TfL. Yes has been stated before with the previous batch of wins Stagecoach will need about 105 hybrids by May. Not going to be most exciting next 7 months for new buses as it is these plus 100+ LTs and about 6 single decks. Also about 22 HVs for Arriva and 13 for Abellio. Finally a handful of new types like the electric byd and new Gemini Looks like new Gemini might have some weight saving composites at rear (nb4l style) instead of current dead space in the hybrid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 17:14:11 GMT
Hang on a minute please. No one knows the exact cause of this incident. As the bus was brand new we have no idea whether there was a manufacturing defect on the bus rather than something the operator or driver could reasonably be accountable for. We also need to remember that Wrightbus themselves are (I believe) responsible for some of the maintenance on the NB4L and as these are new vehicles they are still under warranty. We MUST wait for an official response and then we will actually KNOW what happened and who is responsible. People blame politicians because they read nonsense written in the papers or believe the hype the politicians are more than delighted to associate themselves with. The NB4L is a Boris Johnson policy initiative and he has identified himself with the bus. He has done nothing to break the "Boris Bus" nickname. The problem with this sort of vanity nonsense is that the politician's name is linked with their initiative in good and bad times. The average person in the street has no idea whether Boris invented the bus, designed it, built it or whatever. Therefore they will associate the Mayor with the bus rightly or wrongly. You can hardly blame people for being misled. To be honest I do not recall people blaming Ken Livingstone for the fires on the bendy buses. It's pretty clear that is a design / maintenance issue with the Citaro's engine given that Citaros have burst into flames in many different places and at different times. The later link between Ken and bendy buses was part of a political campaign to discredit Ken and his regime. I am still waiting for someone to provide documentary evidence that Ken *instructed* TfL to introduce bendy buses - to date no one has ever produced it. It was TfL's decision to introduce bendy buses in order to increase capacity on very busy routes. I usually thought it’s the operators responsibility to maintain and check the buses before entering into service. But I seen from the Mayorwatch tweets that TFL haven’t conducted a break test on the bus. And with the people blaming politicians on buses, they rely on the media too much and the media just blame the politicians for the problem. People just need to be more open minded… Yes with the maintenance issue, with the NBFL its down to the manufacture that put the bus together including software for the status of the bus. Since the bus uses the electric drive, would I think it’s a computer glitch? I do not know the investigation is still ongoing, maybe Wrightbus should have put an emergency stop switch on the cab so the bus in its entirety will stop and everything cuts out. But at the end of the day all what the mayor do is give funding to TFL and manufactures to provide things to the people at his will. But he may not know the technical side to it, but all he knows is what TFL, Wrightbus and Thomas Heatherwick Studios tell him. According to tweets from "Mayorwatch", who attended the TfL Board Meeting this morning, Sir Peter Hendy reported that a) the bus failed to make the correct turn. b) no mechanical failing found so far. c) TfL have not been able to conduct a brake test on the vehicle. d) the police investigation is continuing. One further aside - TfL are talking to other manufacturers to manufacture the NB4L under license. Under the terms of the contract with Wrightbus this is only possible once Wrightbus have built 1,000 NB4Ls themselves. Read into that what you like!!! It will be interesting to see if ADL and Optare are up into building the NBFL. With the brake test, I think TFL have caused it by doing it all in quantity instead of quality. But very lucky the route 11 is not fully converted unlike the 24 where they had flaws and air cooling problems. Would love to see 2 doored single staircase versions of the same design for the suburbs. Could either be shorter or have higher seating capacity I agree they should, I think it would have carry up to 100 passengers at least if they move the components to the rear, remove the rear stairs and the open platform for more seats. Yes has been stated before with the previous batch of wins Stagecoach will need about 105 hybrids by May. Not going to be most exciting next 7 months for new buses as it is these plus 100+ LTs and about 6 single decks. Also about 22 HVs for Arriva and 13 for Abellio. Finally a handful of new types like the electric byd and new Gemini Looks like new Gemini might have some weight saving composites at rear (nb4l style) instead of current dead space in the hybrid. With the new Gemini, I wished they done a curved rear which makes it stylish. Also with the 13, i remember Leon Daniels said on the comments that it will be expensive to compensate London Sovereign for the hybrids they ordered. leondaniels.blogspot.com/2013/09/route-11-conversion-starts.html?showComment=1379796761810#c5261287089890764772In my opinion, i would re-allocate it to other routes or split the fleet in half for the other routes and fill the other half of the fleet with NBFL's.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2013 18:00:58 GMT
He can't do it now. He could have done it before the prototypes entered service if he had been minded to do so. However his ego is so enormous that he wants to have "monuments" to his "reign" at City Hall. As for your other remark - "yawn". Actually I thought the 'official nickname' was the Borismaster rather than the boris bus? Still you obviously don't let small details like that prevent you sticking the boot into Boris at every opportunity <YAWN> What a very strange world view you have. I make a couple of perfectly ordinary remarks about what the Mayor could or could not have chosen to do and you then decide that this amounts "to putting the boot in". I fail to see why you consider it necessary to keep leaping to the Mayor's defence. He faces far, far worse comment from others than anything I could ever come up with or would be able to post on a moderated group. If you've watched a webcast of Mayor's Questions you would see he is more than capable of responding on his own behalf. Still it all keeps adding to my ever growing sense of deja vu about your comments and remarks and how they hugely resemble those of a person who was previously banned from this group (and others). Perhaps you are his long lost twin brother ?
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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2013 18:08:51 GMT
Would love to see 2 doored single staircase versions of the same design for the suburbs. Could either be shorter or have higher seating capacity If Wrightbus really wanted to build a version of the NB4L with export potential they would take out the back staircase and make the bus dual door and triple axled in a length of 12m. The extra axle and length would increase seating capacity but offer the possibility of fitting full air con for Asian markets. I am assuming, of course, that the hybrid drive and euro6 spec engine would be capable of moving the vehicle and powering a full air con system. I think they would need to think rather carefully about the lower deck seating layout though. The current one is not good and the extra axle would pose issues for the seat arrangement.
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Post by rambo on Sept 25, 2013 18:34:54 GMT
No way was it brake failure-imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 18:48:44 GMT
In my opinion, i would re-allocate it to other routes or split the fleet in half for the other routes and fill the other half of the fleet with NBFL's. This is the thing - London Sovereign only have one Central London route, and they already have a surplus of middle-aged buses. Therefore there's no other route which is particularly in need of hybrids, and with surplus middle-aged deckers there's no need for vehicles to be made available for cascade.
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Post by RM5chris on Sept 25, 2013 20:14:22 GMT
Personally, I don't see why the design cannot be 'tweaked' to any layout required - 3 door/2 door/single door etc or even a single deck version made. It is supposed to be 'the' London bus so why not push that to the limit? Can't see it happening though....ahh a NB4L family...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 20:58:32 GMT
Would love to see 2 doored single staircase versions of the same design for the suburbs. Could either be shorter or have higher seating capacity If Wrightbus really wanted to build a version of the NB4L with export potential they would take out the back staircase and make the bus dual door and triple axled in a length of 12m. The extra axle and length would increase seating capacity but offer the possibility of fitting full air con for Asian markets. I am assuming, of course, that the hybrid drive and euro6 spec engine would be capable of moving the vehicle and powering a full air con system. I think they would need to think rather carefully about the lower deck seating layout though. The current one is not good and the extra axle would pose issues for the seat arrangement. That is a really good idea tbh. I think Euro 6 would be enough but i'm not sure on axle loads meeting HK regulations. Otherwise, Good Idea!
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