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Post by John tuthill on Sept 26, 2013 17:35:48 GMT
I don't see the connection? RM1368 is a single deck Routemaster. I imagine Mr Tuthill is suggesting it as a template for NB4L conversions. Correctomundo-says something for modular construction. The 'ideal D/D to S/D would be the V3, doors front and back, alas the floor is too high
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 18:21:59 GMT
RM1368 is a single deck Routemaster. I imagine Mr Tuthill is suggesting it as a template for NB4L conversions. Correctomundo-says something for modular construction. The 'ideal D/D to S/D would be the V3, doors front and back, alas the floor is too high That reminds me, If the Enviro 400 came to be like this: Transbus Enviro 200
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Post by slr on Sept 30, 2013 4:10:37 GMT
Here is the photo of it being towed away... www.flickr.com/photos/mikepaws/9941045043/Snapped by Michael Garnett it looks repairable. May as well cut the damaged part away and rebuild it. And why do they tape the operators logo for? Again, I think you're exhibiting your over exaggerative behaviour. The bus is material they can easily be replaced, life is short and precious. Both LT35 & LT62, are off road understand both buses are repairable and be repaired to the highest standard by Wrightbus; If LT62 cause of accident was as a result of throttle failure then that's mechanical failure and may not of been detected, in Pre service checks. Remember the cause of accident for LT35 AFAIK, has not been publicly revealed. I don't really care for this vanity project but praying those involved in the weekends crash make a full recovery. The operators logo is tapped, to prevent individuals claiming they where involved in the accident and making fraudulent personal injuries claims, I'm also under the presumption that LT62 was towed to a foreign London bus operator garage to prevent, Colleagues tampering with potential evidence. I don't know if it was initially towed elsewhere, but LT62 and WHY4 are currently both sitting in NX garage. Had a look the other day and both are pretty bad, in fact the steering wheel on LT62 is about 2" from the driver's seat, and is badly bent, it's a wonder the driver survived TBH. Having spoken to engineering management at GAG, there has been no proven/confirmed cause of the incident.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 8:39:24 GMT
Agree it's only even in the news because it is an LT. Because of the serious injuries the metropolitan police traffic department will be working with Wrights to establish if there was something wrong.
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Post by TA1 on Sept 30, 2013 11:01:23 GMT
Again, I think you're exhibiting your over exaggerative behaviour. The bus is material they can easily be replaced, life is short and precious. Both LT35 & LT62, are off road understand both buses are repairable and be repaired to the highest standard by Wrightbus; If LT62 cause of accident was as a result of throttle failure then that's mechanical failure and may not of been detected, in Pre service checks. Remember the cause of accident for LT35 AFAIK, has not been publicly revealed. I don't really care for this vanity project but praying those involved in the weekends crash make a full recovery. The operators logo is tapped, to prevent individuals claiming they where involved in the accident and making fraudulent personal injuries claims, I'm also under the presumption that LT62 was towed to a foreign London bus operator garage to prevent, Colleagues tampering with potential evidence. I don't know if it was initially towed elsewhere, but LT62 and WHY4 are currently both sitting in NX garage. Had a look the other day and both are pretty bad, in fact the steering wheel on LT62 is about 2" from the driver's seat, and is badly bent, it's a wonder the driver survived TBH. Having spoken to engineering management at GAG, there has been no proven/confirmed cause of the incident. Well I'm under the presumption as this is a road traffic investigation, surely before ending up at NX. The buses involved must of went to the nearest Traffic commissioner office for officers to carry out further tests. @rgd976, Any collision involving a bus, coach or tram would be newsworthy as would a RTC where heavy injuries where inflicted or fatalities occurred, but I'm surprised we haven't heard from opposing political parties stating 'how the borisbuses are deathtraps', similar stories to what we heard post incidents with the Citaros catching fire every so often. Stemming from your description and condition of both buses, slr it's good that both drivers survived. Do you know the fate of the buses in terms of where repairs will be carried out if they will be carried out - only if you're allowed to disclose such information of course.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 11:16:45 GMT
I don't know if it was initially towed elsewhere, but LT62 and WHY4 are currently both sitting in NX garage. Had a look the other day and both are pretty bad, in fact the steering wheel on LT62 is about 2" from the driver's seat, and is badly bent, it's a wonder the driver survived TBH. Having spoken to engineering management at GAG, there has been no proven/confirmed cause of the incident. Well I'm under the presumption as this is a road traffic investigation, surely before ending up at NX. The buses involved must of went to the nearest Traffic commissioner office for officers to carry out further tests. @rgd976, Any collision involving a bus, coach or tram would be newsworthy as would a RTC where heavy injuries where inflicted or fatalities occurred, but I'm surprised we haven't heard from opposing political parties stating 'how the borisbuses are deathtraps', similar stories to what we heard post incidents with the Citaros catching fire every so often. Stemming from your description and condition of both buses, slr it's good that both drivers survived. Do you know the fate of the buses in terms of where repairs will be carried out if they will be carried out - only if you're allowed to disclose such information of course. Leon Daniels has confirmed that the bus was checked over at a Met Police facility and no faults were found. Had any opposition parties suggested that the buses were 'deathtraps' they'd have made complete fools of themselves...........always best to wait rather than jump to conclusions.
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Post by Mokujin on Sept 30, 2013 15:40:14 GMT
I even think it would have been best if these NB4Ls weren't even introduced because they're not really that special, it's just a normal bus with special features. Maybe Boris brought this along to remind people about the Routemasters by making a Prototype version of them. Hope the drivers involved make a full recovery and these buses are safe for members of the public.
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Post by slr on Sept 30, 2013 15:55:25 GMT
I don't know if it was initially towed elsewhere, but LT62 and WHY4 are currently both sitting in NX garage. Had a look the other day and both are pretty bad, in fact the steering wheel on LT62 is about 2" from the driver's seat, and is badly bent, it's a wonder the driver survived TBH. Having spoken to engineering management at GAG, there has been no proven/confirmed cause of the incident. Stemming from your description and condition of both buses, slr it's good that both drivers survived. Do you know the fate of the buses in terms of where repairs will be carried out if they will be carried out - only if you're allowed to disclose such information of course. I don't know too much as I don't work for GAG anymore, but popped in to have a browse regardless. As such I don't know anything about repair plans, but guess the LT will go to Wrights. The WHY is absolutely wrecked on the front N/S, and the whole rear damaged, probably harming hybrid equipment, so guess that will go away too. All I did get from a brief conversation was that mechanical failure that may or may not have been alleged doesn't seem to be consistent with the safety systems on the vehicle in the first instance.
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Post by southeastlondonbus on Sept 30, 2013 19:41:29 GMT
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Post by smiler52 on Sept 30, 2013 21:31:42 GMT
what's with the tape over legals fleet number and bus company name on lt62
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Post by slr on Sept 30, 2013 22:44:20 GMT
Obviously GAG won't want their logo all over the Evening Standard on a smashed up bus. Even if it's already apparent or well known amongst enthusiasts and those in the know, it detracts from negative media attention for the company.
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 30, 2013 22:47:41 GMT
what's with the tape over legals fleet number and bus company name on lt62 What I'm more interested in is the amount of people who saved those pictures to their favourites.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 9:15:09 GMT
It's been 10 days since the conversion of Route 11, half of the fleet is still WVL's! I wonder how quickly the 24 managed to be on route.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 1, 2013 9:47:51 GMT
It's been 10 days since the conversion of Route 11, half of the fleet is still WVL's! I wonder how quickly the 24 managed to be on route. And look at the difference in terms of reaction and breakdowns. While the route 11 NB4Ls have had the odd breakdown it's been nothing like as bad as the 24. There don't seem to be "Roastmaster" remarks either although the weather is cooler. It also looks like some of the early deliveries for the 11 have yet to make it into service suggesting (again) that more work has to be done to get the build quality right. All the buses have yet to be delivered which suggests Wrightbus are not up to speed with the required delivery rate for whatever reason. We have to wait and see if they can get achieve the right build quality and the required production rate. If they can't then it raises interesting questions about the delivery of the overall conversion programme but that's months away from being clear.
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Post by southeastlondonbus on Oct 1, 2013 11:12:27 GMT
what's with the tape over legals fleet number and bus company name on lt62 What I'm more interested in is the amount of people who saved those pictures to their favourites. I agree whilst I am not a fan of the NBWTP (New bus what's the point). I only linked over the photos because I thought they may be of interest to those on this group unfortunately there are to many trolls out there who only see there point of view and not the full picture. Hopefully the cause of the accident will come out over time and until then we should refrain from any speculation.
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