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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 10, 2014 20:41:17 GMT
I am quite happy with tfl decision to keep the hybrids on the 15. The seats are definitely more comfortable! Anyway, I had a feeling they wouldn't give them NB4Ls because of the tight turning on Regent St, unless I'm wrong and the 15 have been cut back to Trafalgar Sq permanently. The 15 shall indeed be going back to Regent Street at the End of January Next year. I also think that turning on Regent Street is quite tight looking at it, but If the 8 has been cleared the Reflex turn from Hanover Street onto Hanover square then Conduit street may not be as hard as it looks |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 20:43:34 GMT
I am quite happy with tfl decision to keep the hybrids on the 15. The seats are definitely more comfortable! Anyway, I had a feeling they wouldn't give them NB4Ls because of the tight turning on Regent St, unless I'm wrong and the 15 have been cut back to Trafalgar Sq permanently. Where has it been confirmed or denied that the 15 will or won't be getting NB4L? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 20:58:54 GMT
Not trying to push on your thoughts but why would 15 LT conversion be a surprise to you? I would of thought route 15 would be a sure bet to be a LT route. Is it because 15 already has hybrids working on the route? Leon Daniels has said they have no plans to convert the route. If there is a route crying out for conversion it is the 15. I am biased because it is one of my local routes and use it to get to work! but i think it would be a great boost for regular passengers as currently this route is a nightmare at Tower Hill heading into the city as in the afternoons or weekends in the holiday period you get tourists boarding through the centre doors and delaying the bus because they go straight upstairs and have to be called back down to see the driver and if its busy they stand upstairs and the drivers cant always be bothered to say anything! it is bad for regular passengers. it is absolute chaos going to work on this route on a weekend afternoon. I get really wound up  and even more so when you see an empty RM on the 15H sail past with a laughing Conductor! The LT's would hopefully  have a Conductor or assistant!!(modern terms eh!) for most of the day (unless Boris's wallet starts to tighten up!) which could help deal with the tourists and they can use any door without annoying me!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 21:02:36 GMT
Leon Daniels has said they have no plans to convert the route. If there is a route crying out for conversion it is the 15. I am biased because it is one of my local routes and use it to get to work! but i think it would be a great boost for regular passengers as currently this route is a nightmare at Tower Hill heading into the city as in the afternoons or weekends in the holiday period you get tourists boarding through the centre doors and delaying the bus because they go straight upstairs and have to be called back down to see the driver and if its busy they stand upstairs and the drivers cant always be bothered to say anything! it is bad for regular passengers. it is absolute chaos going to work on this route on a weekend afternoon. I get really wound up and even more so when you see an empty RM on the 15H sail past with a laughing Conductor! The LT's would hopefully have a Conductor or assistant!!(modern terms eh!) for most of the day (unless Boris's wallet starts to tighten up!) which could help deal with the tourists and they can use any door without annoying me!!! Controversial Comment BUT the conductors on the 15 can be extremely lazy and not even bother checking tickets. One thing I notice a lot too is that tourists can get confused and try and showing the conductor tickets as they board slowing down buses. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 21:11:44 GMT
If there is a route crying out for conversion it is the 15. I am biased because it is one of my local routes and use it to get to work! but i think it would be a great boost for regular passengers as currently this route is a nightmare at Tower Hill heading into the city as in the afternoons or weekends in the holiday period you get tourists boarding through the centre doors and delaying the bus because they go straight upstairs and have to be called back down to see the driver and if its busy they stand upstairs and the drivers cant always be bothered to say anything! it is bad for regular passengers. it is absolute chaos going to work on this route on a weekend afternoon. I get really wound up and even more so when you see an empty RM on the 15H sail past with a laughing Conductor! The LT's would hopefully have a Conductor or assistant!!(modern terms eh!) for most of the day (unless Boris's wallet starts to tighten up!) which could help deal with the tourists and they can use any door without annoying me!!! Controversial Comment BUT the conductors on the 15 can be extremely lazy and not even bother checking tickets. One thing I notice a lot too is that tourists can get confused and try and showing the conductor tickets as they board slowing down buses. this is true! |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 10, 2014 21:33:53 GMT
Leon Daniels has said they have no plans to convert the route. If there is a route crying out for conversion it is the 15. I am biased because it is one of my local routes and use it to get to work! but i think it would be a great boost for regular passengers as currently this route is a nightmare at Tower Hill heading into the city as in the afternoons or weekends in the holiday period you get tourists boarding through the centre doors and delaying the bus because they go straight upstairs and have to be called back down to see the driver and if its busy they stand upstairs and the drivers cant always be bothered to say anything! it is bad for regular passengers. it is absolute chaos going to work on this route on a weekend afternoon. I get really wound up and even more so when you see an empty RM on the 15H sail past with a laughing Conductor! The LT's would hopefully have a Conductor or assistant!!(modern terms eh!) for most of the day (unless Boris's wallet starts to tighten up!) which could help deal with the tourists and they can use any door without annoying me!!! You won't like this comment but why put NB4Ls on the 15 given they carry fewer passengers than a conventional bus? Standing on a NB4L is very difficult and makes use of the rear door difficult. If the 15 is overcrowded at the Tower, and I accept that it can be, then you need buses with as much capacity as possible not one with three doors, two stairs and awkward seating layout. At the Leon Daniels Talk at the Museum last week Leon was extremely careful in what he said. He did make one revealing comment which was that TfL would have to buy buses that were as long as possible *on two axles*. He did not go into any detail but I assume this means we might get longer single and double deck buses where they can fit on a route. I won't object to longer double deckers with more seats. It was clear he sees the virtues of articulated single deckers but said it was for politicians, not TfL, to change the policy environment if they were to run. The approach was very much "we do what the Mayor tells us to do". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 21:54:14 GMT
Interesting point Snoggle. I agree that capacity would be going down with the LT's on the route
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2014 21:59:53 GMT
I am quite happy with tfl decision to keep the hybrids on the 15. The seats are definitely more comfortable! Anyway, I had a feeling they wouldn't give them NB4Ls because of the tight turning on Regent St, unless I'm wrong and the 15 have been cut back to Trafalgar Sq permanently. Where has it been confirmed or denied that the 15 will or won't be getting NB4L? Was mentioned in Leon Daniels blog by himself that the 15 will not be converting but a tweet made by TfL says it is (along with an incorrect date for the 10's conversion). There's the confirm and deny done lol. |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 11, 2014 12:52:25 GMT
i found this on twitter, I'm not a regular user of twitter but maybe someone will be able to explain this to me ![]()  The grammar is appalling, does not look official at all, sorry to say. The last time I checked, Heritage Routemasters were on the 9H, not 1 Heritage Routemaster, "Come off in July" I would have used the word "withdrawn", the phrase is poorly written. "148's next 15/2/2014", I would have stated Route 148 will be converted to NB4L on 15/02/2014 8's and 15's sometime this year, why even state these with no date. The date states for the 10 is also incorrect it's the 26/04/14 |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 11, 2014 14:35:00 GMT
i found this on twitter, I'm not a regular user of twitter but maybe someone will be able to explain this to me ![]() The grammar is appalling, does not look official at all, sorry to say. The last time I checked, Heritage Routemasters were on the 9H, not 1 Heritage Routemaster, "Come off in July" I would have used the word "withdrawn", the phrase is poorly written. "148's next 15/2/2014", I would have stated Route 148 will be converted to NB4L on 15/02/2014 8's and 15's sometime this year, why even state these with no date. The date states for the 10 is also incorrect it's the 26/04/14 To be fair, you wouldn't really need to write a proper sentence on Twitter - it's looks coherent enough to me TBH. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 16:13:20 GMT
The grammar is appalling, does not look official at all, sorry to say. Have you used Twitter before? It is a conversational medium with a character limit on tweets,. So most corporate accounts are similarly "poorly written" as they are happy to sound normal rather than like PR-speak. and because it is the only way to fit everything in. The thing to remember is that it was an answer to question from a single person, not a public statement. And it said what it did presumably because those were the things being asked about, though the question seems to have been deleted. The TfL tweet is still listed on the site under their official account though, at |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 11, 2014 16:26:36 GMT
The grammar is appalling, does not look official at all, sorry to say. Have you used Twitter before? It is a conversational medium with a character limit on tweets,. So most corporate accounts are similarly "poorly written" as they are happy to sound normal rather than like PR-speak. and because it is the only way to fit everything in. The thing to remember is that it was an answer to question from a single person, not a public statement. And it said what it did presumably because those were the things being asked about, though the question seems to have been deleted. The TfL tweet is still listed on the site under their official account though, at No I have not used Twitter before. I see what you mean, but It looks like it was rushed and also has an incorrect date, which I why I thought it was not official. Compared to some of the other tweets I read on that page they look much more professional with better grammar and believable than that one above, even if it is a reply to a question it looks quite appalling, which is why I did not take it seriously. Never have I seen a route number on TFL written like "148's". A lot of the other tweets are longer than the one above. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 11, 2014 17:05:35 GMT
The grammar is appalling, does not look official at all, sorry to say. Have you used Twitter before? It is a conversational medium with a character limit on tweets,. So most corporate accounts are similarly "poorly written" as they are happy to sound normal rather than like PR-speak. and because it is the only way to fit everything in. The thing to remember is that it was an answer to question from a single person, not a public statement. And it said what it did presumably because those were the things being asked about, though the question seems to have been deleted. The TfL tweet is still listed on the site under their official account though, at I have now found the exchange of tweets that the above info came from. Further on in the conversation is a comment from the TfL person that he got his info from another enthusiast and not from official sources. This possibly explains some of the errors. I suspect that the TfL person may have subsequently had some "advice" from his managers about using non company sources in "TfL tweets". Two comments - I think before we are too critical we need to try using Twitter. I do and it's very hard to be coherent and accurate with 140 characters. My other point is that we are not sitting managing a public account with hundreds of tweets coming in expecting a response as well as having to update other bits of the TfL website and ensure that Centrecomm messages about delays and diversions are tweeted in a timely manner. Oh and also keeping track of River services info too. I can't imagine it is an easy job if there are lots of problems on the bus network or people are having to divert off tube or train services to get a bus home. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 15, 2014 17:48:10 GMT
Route 15 may convert as TFL probably can't resist the Idea of a New Routemaster passing the Tower of London. But It probably won't be for a while yet
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 21:14:59 GMT
Route 15 may convert as TFL probably can't resist the Idea of a New Routemaster passing the Tower of London. But It probably won't be for a while yet I wonder why people are so excited and speculate so much about the 15 converting. |
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and even more so when you see an empty RM on the 15H sail past with a laughing Conductor! The LT's would hopefully 
have a Conductor or assistant!!(modern terms eh!) for most of the day (unless Boris's wallet starts to tighten up!) which could help deal with the tourists and they can use any door without annoying me!!! 
