Next Route to be converted to LT class?

[marlon101]

Feb 8, 2014 21:43:17 GMT vjaska said:

Feb 8, 2014 21:30:15 GMT ilovelondonbuses said:

10 is converting in April not February. So it is not that quick . It seems though that the NB4L is Wrightbus' number one priority.

Either that or the build quality is crap lol.

It makes sense that the LTs are falling off the production quite quickly, its got the most modern production line & the Gemini product is in a period of transition.

[southlondonbus]

If the 15 was to convert it would possibly save the need to buy new buses for the 205 or 55 next year with just a few new ones needed and im sure the 15 has always been a route in mind for the NB4L anyway.

[sam]

Hi there I've been invited for a interview for the role of conductor at Arriva. I was just wondering when will routes 73 and 38 be converted?

[M1104]

Feb 9, 2014 13:09:17 GMT sam said:

Hi there I've been invited for a interview for the role of conductor at Arriva. I was just wondering when will routes 73 and 38 be converted?

First of all congratulations for your interview and hope all goes well. Second of all I was hoping you would be able to give us a clue on what route (or routes) you may be assigned to. Perhaps you may be the first one to answer your own question.

[danorak]

How many NB4Ls are unaccounted for? We're told 600 will be arriving, and so far we know they'll be on the 8,9,10,11,24,148 and 390. So how many are left to play with?

[sam]

Hi all I know is that its routes 38 and 73. I asked them when they may convert and they said possibly the summer/spring. I haven't herd of Arriva placing an order yet for the buses. they are recruiting until March. Thanks so much for the wishing me good luck. I'm also working for transport investigations as a cia so you may see me out on the northern line next weekend. I work with metroline a lot so do come across interesting bits of news every now and then. Sam

[snoggle]

Feb 9, 2014 17:17:06 GMT sam said:

Hi all I know is that its routes 38 and 73. I asked them when they may convert and they said possibly the summer/spring. I haven't herd of Arriva placing an order yet for the buses. they are recruiting until March. Thanks so much for the wishing me good luck. I'm also working for transport investigations as a cia so you may see me out on the northern line next weekend. I work with metroline a lot so do come across interesting bits of news every now and then. Sam

Operators don't place orders for the NB4L. TfL own the buses and allocate vehicles from the production run as agreed under the terms of the contract award or variation (most NB4L changes have been variations to existing contracts).

[Eastlondoner62]

Feb 9, 2014 17:15:41 GMT danorak said:

How many NB4Ls are unaccounted for? We're told 600 will be arriving, and so far we know they'll be on the 8,9,10,11,24,148 and 390. So how many are left to play with?

From What it Says on The Stagecoach Website 

The much publicised buses, recently dubbed the New Routemaster, are diesel-electric hybrids, built in Ireland by Wrightbus and their introduction to route 8 will bring the total number in use close to 200.

 That can mean either just under 200 or Just over 200. If the 73 and 38 convert i guess their really high PVR will bring the amount just slightly under 300 or maybe even over. Which has already gone over half the order.

[Deleted]

I have a quick check up on the Bus Investment page of the TFL Beta site.

It mentions

More than 600 of these buses, designed by the renowned Heatherwick Studio, will be in service across around 20 routes by 2016,

So the More than means 608 because the first 8 is actually NBFL prototypes which is built between 2011 to 2012.
Well the NBFL's on 20 routes is the complicated part because some of the routes like 205 and 23 will struggle with the 11.3m NBFL's because of the Crossrail construction. But the routes are carefully chosen with the final decisions made by the board of TFL in regards of route conversions. But with the route 15, first Leon Daniels replied to a commenter (on his 9H withdraw proposal article) mentioning that there is no plans to convert the 15 to New Routemasters. Then TFL Bus Alerts on Twitter mentions "15's sometime this year." If it gets the go ahead then one of the Stagecoach routes can be converted to Hybrids like 205 or 55 without the need of ordering any new hybrids.

With the 38, during the 2012, when all 8 prototypes got delivered half way through the year 2012, 7 of them went into route 38 service during the day which makes it every half hour for a NBFL on the 38 curtailing it at Hackney Central. But it left plenty of empty buses on the 38 due to the popularity of the New Routemaster. I seen on previous posts on this thread that the 38 and 73 are getting NBFL's but I researched that the PVR for the 38 is 52+, PVR for 73 is 51. But converting the high PVR routes to NBFL like 25 and 159 will reduce the amount of routes converting to NB4L.

But with the cuts coming for bus services and proposal to remove the 9H. I just wonder how they manage to invest on NBFL's, but its obivious that some of the NBFL routes like the 8 and 148 are not going to have second crew member. But many people think that the New Routemaster would have open platform with conductors, but TFL promotes it as a 3 door bus. Removal of cash fares because of the popularity of the Oyster card and Contactless bank card. But it will affect non Oyster users outside the Greater London area where there are few TFL routes because of cash fare removal. But not many people around Britain knows that you can use a contactless bank card on a TFL bus service.
Also I remembered seeing a video during the Tube Strike where the crowds boarded by the middle doors to get into the bus, I thinking should TFL expand more open boarding buses where people board in the middle like with the 507 and 521 routes on the Central London routes. But it's usually down to TFL what to say about it.

I think thats all I got to say.

[I-Azusio-I]

Feb 9, 2014 22:29:19 GMT @freebbc said:

I have a quick check up on the Bus Investment page of the TFL Beta site.

It mentions

More than 600 of these buses, designed by the renowned Heatherwick Studio, will be in service across around 20 routes by 2016,

So the More than means 608 because the first 8 is actually NBFL prototypes which is built between 2011 to 2012.
Well the NBFL's on 20 routes is the complicated part because some of the routes like 205 and 23 will struggle with the 11.3m NBFL's because of the Crossrail construction. But the routes are carefully chosen with the final decisions made by the board of TFL in regards of route conversions. But with the route 15, first Leon Daniels replied to a commenter (on his 9H withdraw proposal article) mentioning that there is no plans to convert the 15 to New Routemasters. Then TFL Bus Alerts on Twitter mentions "15's sometime this year." If it gets the go ahead then one of the Stagecoach routes can be converted to Hybrids like 205 or 55 without the need of ordering any new hybrids.

With the 38, during the 2012, when all 8 prototypes got delivered half way through the year 2012, 7 of them went into route 38 service during the day which makes it every half hour for a NBFL on the 38 curtailing it at Hackney Central. But it left plenty of empty buses on the 38 due to the popularity of the New Routemaster. I seen on previous posts on this thread that the 38 and 73 are getting NBFL's but I researched that the PVR for the 38 is 52+, PVR for 73 is 51. But converting the high PVR routes to NBFL like 25 and 159 will reduce the amount of routes converting to NB4L.

But with the cuts coming for bus services and proposal to remove the 9H. I just wonder how they manage to invest on NBFL's, but its obivious that some of the NBFL routes like the 8 and 148 are not going to have second crew member. But many people think that the New Routemaster would have open platform with conductors, but TFL promotes it as a 3 door bus. Removal of cash fares because of the popularity of the Oyster card and Contactless bank card. But it will affect non Oyster users outside the Greater London area where there are few TFL routes because of cash fare removal. But not many people around Britain knows that you can use a contactless bank card on a TFL bus service.
Also I remembered seeing a video during the Tube Strike where the crowds boarded by the middle doors to get into the bus, I thinking should TFL expand more open boarding buses where people board in the middle like with the 507 and 521 routes on the Central London routes. But it's usually down to TFL what to say about it.

I think thats all I got to say.

Route 25 can never be converted to NB4L so if I were you, I wouldn't mention that.

[Deleted]

Feb 9, 2014 22:40:27 GMT I-Azusio-I said:

Route 25 can never be converted to NB4L so if I were you, I wouldn't mention that.

I know anyway, but few months ago a Conductor on the 24 mentioned to me that there were talks for the 25 to convert to NBFL's. But I am not advocating/raising the issue about the 25 so the 25 is a highest PVR route with conventional double decks with normal boarding. But again its down to TFL to decide with the route conversions but the 25 is fine as it is. But I don't know much about the 25 beside it being a former Bendy Bus route but let it run as it is. But let alone the vintage buses and extras helping the 25 during the tube strikes but I am just neutral at it.

[vjaska]

Feb 9, 2014 22:29:19 GMT @freebbc said:

I have a quick check up on the Bus Investment page of the TFL Beta site.

It mentions

More than 600 of these buses, designed by the renowned Heatherwick Studio, will be in service across around 20 routes by 2016,

So the More than means 608 because the first 8 is actually NBFL prototypes which is built between 2011 to 2012.
Well the NBFL's on 20 routes is the complicated part because some of the routes like 205 and 23 will struggle with the 11.3m NBFL's because of the Crossrail construction. But the routes are carefully chosen with the final decisions made by the board of TFL in regards of route conversions. But with the route 15, first Leon Daniels replied to a commenter (on his 9H withdraw proposal article) mentioning that there is no plans to convert the 15 to New Routemasters. Then TFL Bus Alerts on Twitter mentions "15's sometime this year." If it gets the go ahead then one of the Stagecoach routes can be converted to Hybrids like 205 or 55 without the need of ordering any new hybrids.

With the 38, during the 2012, when all 8 prototypes got delivered half way through the year 2012, 7 of them went into route 38 service during the day which makes it every half hour for a NBFL on the 38 curtailing it at Hackney Central. But it left plenty of empty buses on the 38 due to the popularity of the New Routemaster. I seen on previous posts on this thread that the 38 and 73 are getting NBFL's but I researched that the PVR for the 38 is 52+, PVR for 73 is 51. But converting the high PVR routes to NBFL like 25 and 159 will reduce the amount of routes converting to NB4L.

But with the cuts coming for bus services and proposal to remove the 9H. I just wonder how they manage to invest on NBFL's, but its obivious that some of the NBFL routes like the 8 and 148 are not going to have second crew member. But many people think that the New Routemaster would have open platform with conductors, but TFL promotes it as a 3 door bus. Removal of cash fares because of the popularity of the Oyster card and Contactless bank card. But it will affect non Oyster users outside the Greater London area where there are few TFL routes because of cash fare removal. But not many people around Britain knows that you can use a contactless bank card on a TFL bus service.
Also I remembered seeing a video during the Tube Strike where the crowds boarded by the middle doors to get into the bus, I thinking should TFL expand more open boarding buses where people board in the middle like with the 507 and 521 routes on the Central London routes. But it's usually down to TFL what to say about it.

I think thats all I got to say.

605 not 608 NBfL's in service. LT1-3 are no longer running in service.

You can't extend open boarding to more routes as you'll just invite more fare evasion like what's happened with the Artics.

The 205 already has an order placed for hybrids, suspected to be Enviro 400H's, so if the 15 did convert, I'd very doubt its Enviro 400H's would be heading to the 205.

[Eastlondoner62]

i found this on twitter, I'm not a regular user of twitter but maybe someone will be able to explain this to me

[T.R.]

Feb 9, 2014 17:17:06 GMT sam said:

Hi all I know is that its routes 38 and 73. I asked them when they may convert and they said possibly the summer/spring. I haven't herd of Arriva placing an order yet for the buses. they are recruiting until March. Thanks so much for the wishing me good luck. I'm also working for transport investigations as a cia so you may see me out on the northern line next weekend. I work with metroline a lot so do come across interesting bits of news every now and then. Sam

How'd the interview go (if you've had it yet)? - I might have one too

[Deleted]

I am quite happy with tfl decision to keep the hybrids on the 15. The seats are definitely more comfortable! Anyway, I had a feeling they wouldn't give them NB4Ls because of the tight turning on Regent St, unless I'm wrong and the 15 have been cut back to Trafalgar Sq permanently.