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Post by abellion on Jun 18, 2022 8:38:50 GMT
Whoops I meant the 243! Mixed them up as they both run from the Tottenham area to Waterloo! Talking of which, there are 3 routes linking Tottenham and Waterloo: routes 76, 243 & 341. I wonder whether this is sustainable? I don't think it's a big deal since it's unlikely a lot of people are using either of the three from Tottenham to Waterloo. They all add capacity to and serve different corridors and areas with their own demand
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Post by M1104 on Jun 18, 2022 13:53:03 GMT
I doubt route 414 would convert as it would disqualify GA from bidding in future, given that LTs cannot be accommodated at AF. Under that senario it could be negotiated for LTs to be allocated to another GA depot to free up other types for AF.
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Post by greg on Jun 18, 2022 16:10:43 GMT
214 could be an option once the trees are trimmed at Highgate. I dont understand how it was ever an issue as dead running buses do it anyway. I imagine it can do it without extreme caution once the 214 gets decked (at least I hope with its new routing).
If TFL plot to move the 12m Red Arrow buses on the 214 as an excuse all hell on earth on that route, unless the PVR was like 30+
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Post by greenboy on Jun 18, 2022 16:13:59 GMT
214 could be an option once the trees are trimmed at Highgate. I dont understand how it was ever an issue as dead running buses do it anyway. I imagine it can do it without extreme caution once the 214 gets decked (at least I hope with its new routing). If TFL plot to move the 12m Red Arrow buses on the 214 as an excuse all hell on earth on that route, unless the PVR was like 30+ The difference is that out of service buses don't have to pull into the kerb for bus stops and obviously there should be nobody upstairs if an accident did happen.
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Post by greg on Jun 18, 2022 16:16:14 GMT
214 could be an option once the trees are trimmed at Highgate. I dont understand how it was ever an issue as dead running buses do it anyway. I imagine it can do it without extreme caution once the 214 gets decked (at least I hope with its new routing). If TFL plot to move the 12m Red Arrow buses on the 214 as an excuse all hell on earth on that route, unless the PVR was like 30+ The difference is that out of service buses don't have to pull into the kerb for bus stops and obviously there should be nobody upstairs if an accident did happen. Yep similar to Agar Grove on the 274. However that was resolved so i hope TFL be generous
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Post by vjaska on Jun 18, 2022 16:36:24 GMT
214 could be an option once the trees are trimmed at Highgate. I dont understand how it was ever an issue as dead running buses do it anyway. I imagine it can do it without extreme caution once the 214 gets decked (at least I hope with its new routing). If TFL plot to move the 12m Red Arrow buses on the 214 as an excuse all hell on earth on that route, unless the PVR was like 30+ I wasn't aware of any plans in trimming trees along there - from what I've heard so take it as you please, some of the trees are in resident's gardens and on top of that, some residents are apparently against double deckers running along there (I presume in service and not running light). Couple that with other information (albeit not verified 100% so far) and it seems the 214 will remain single decker operated
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 18, 2022 17:35:46 GMT
214 could be an option once the trees are trimmed at Highgate. I dont understand how it was ever an issue as dead running buses do it anyway. I imagine it can do it without extreme caution once the 214 gets decked (at least I hope with its new routing). If TFL plot to move the 12m Red Arrow buses on the 214 as an excuse all hell on earth on that route, unless the PVR was like 30+ I wasn't aware of any plans in trimming trees along there - from what I've heard so take it as you please, some of the trees are in resident's gardens and on top of that, some residents are apparently against double deckers running along there (I presume in service and not running light). Couple that with other information (albeit not verified 100% so far) and it seems the 214 will remain single decker operated Yes I would have thought it would have said in the consultation that the route would convert to DD if the proposals went ahead.
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Post by greg on Jun 18, 2022 17:53:46 GMT
214 could be an option once the trees are trimmed at Highgate. I dont understand how it was ever an issue as dead running buses do it anyway. I imagine it can do it without extreme caution once the 214 gets decked (at least I hope with its new routing). If TFL plot to move the 12m Red Arrow buses on the 214 as an excuse all hell on earth on that route, unless the PVR was like 30+ I wasn't aware of any plans in trimming trees along there - from what I've heard so take it as you please, some of the trees are in resident's gardens and on top of that, some residents are apparently against double deckers running along there (I presume in service and not running light). Couple that with other information (albeit not verified 100% so far) and it seems the 214 will remain single decker operated Lord. Single deck 214 taking the 205 and 214's current loadings between Mile End and King's Cross. They've successfully worked the "move people onto the tube". H&C and Northern Line for the win
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Post by abellion on Jun 18, 2022 18:12:36 GMT
I wasn't aware of any plans in trimming trees along there - from what I've heard so take it as you please, some of the trees are in resident's gardens and on top of that, some residents are apparently against double deckers running along there (I presume in service and not running light). Couple that with other information (albeit not verified 100% so far) and it seems the 214 will remain single decker operated Lord. Single deck 214 taking the 205 and 214's current loadings between Mile End and King's Cross. They've successfully worked the "move people onto the tube". H&C and Northern Line for the win And then when no more people can fit onto the tube more road congestion (no clue how to fix this quoting glitch )
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Post by sleckdeck on Jun 18, 2022 20:26:40 GMT
I don’t see the 71 converting to NBFL’s, it was awarded on the basis of VH’s from the 65 (which currently are scattered).
It would also be such a small type to introduce at FW, considering the 281 and 65 cannot use them.
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Post by yunus on Jun 29, 2022 7:37:59 GMT
At the moment how many LTs are spare, enough to convert a route on a full allocation? I know the 111s LTs will become spare by the end of year when the Electroliners enter service.
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Post by snowman on Jun 29, 2022 7:46:31 GMT
At the moment how many LTs are spare, enough to convert a route on a full allocation? I know the 111s LTs will become spare by the end of year when the Electroliners enter service. Depends on how you count it, if all those that are stored and VOR were returned to service, get about 40 But about 15 are away for refurb (TfL expects the oldest 200 to be done by March), Metroline is sitting on 10 that are rumoured to be for H91. But the batch on 111 come free before this, so this is where the counting becomes a grey area (is the overlap effectively double counting as not needed at same time) But realistically another route could be converted today, and if the cuts go ahead then there will be loads more spare
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Post by cl54 on Jun 29, 2022 9:56:32 GMT
I agree that routes 207, 279 & 321 are candidates. Route 81 is an interesting option being a largely straight route heading outside Greater London. It is similar to route 313 in some respects. I doubt route 414 would convert as it would disqualify GA from bidding in future, given that LTs cannot be accommodated at AF. GA can always run it from another garage if they really need to convert it to LTs. SW/RA aren't far from Marble Arch so these can be alternatives. As far as I'm aware there are no longer any diesel tanks at RA.
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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on Jun 29, 2022 12:11:25 GMT
It's about time the boroughs of Greenwich and/or Bexley got some LT action.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 2, 2022 3:06:29 GMT
It's about time the boroughs of Greenwich and/or Bexley got some LT action. Route 89 could be a good candidate. Mind you, the section between Bexleyheath and Slade Green may need to be replaced by another route such as route 486. I have visions of route 53 receiving LTs but being replaced between Woolwich and Plumstead by route 122 rerouted via Plumstead Common.
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