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Post by Dad91 on Jan 31, 2024 21:15:13 GMT
May i ask how many LTs fleets available. Ex 168 buses went on 9 the 9 LTs went over to south for new Superloop SL3 Stagecoach London. 215 Have Few LTs on the route. If 56 Converting into LTs were are the LTs coming from. 5 Going full LTs available at RR. The 56 was only a rumor posted here based on something a driver told someone and the fact buses have 56 on the blind. Nothing was confirmed! Route 215 has taken buses from PVR cuts on the 8 and only needed 5 LTs + spares.
oh okay thanks for Info. Sure there a lot LTs available cross the fleet |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 1, 2024 2:58:17 GMT
There are quite a few LTs spare spread across all of the operators, so I could see a couple more routes being converted. Potentially the 355 and H98 could be candidates for conversion to LTs? Well there was but that's changed a bit - off the top of my head and not counting any VOR's, Stagecoach now have none now the 215 has converted and the SL3 will convert using some native examples alongside the ex RATP bunch, RATP have none, Abellio's spare bunch are mainly temporarily covering the 133 whilst WL has a few extra examples, Arriva's are currently performing refurb float roles, Metroline have used theirs for the 9 and will need some for the 17 further down the line whilst Go-Ahead's are also performing refurb float roles. |
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Post by BK15AZR on Feb 1, 2024 21:32:10 GMT
There are quite a few LTs spare spread across all of the operators, so I could see a couple more routes being converted. Potentially the 355 and H98 could be candidates for conversion to LTs? Well there was but that's changed a bit - off the top of my head and not counting any VOR's, Stagecoach now have none now the 215 has converted and the SL3 will convert using some native examples alongside the ex RATP bunch, RATP have none, Abellio's spare bunch are mainly temporarily covering the 133 whilst WL has a few extra examples, Arriva's are currently performing refurb float roles, Metroline have used theirs for the 9 and will need some for the 17 further down the line whilst Go-Ahead's are also performing refurb float roles. Also adding to the fact that now the 5 is confirmed to be converting to full LT allocation, those refurb floats currently at DS/RR may likely be staying to form part of the 5 allocation. |
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Post by WH241 on Feb 1, 2024 22:25:37 GMT
Well there was but that's changed a bit - off the top of my head and not counting any VOR's, Stagecoach now have none now the 215 has converted and the SL3 will convert using some native examples alongside the ex RATP bunch, RATP have none, Abellio's spare bunch are mainly temporarily covering the 133 whilst WL has a few extra examples, Arriva's are currently performing refurb float roles, Metroline have used theirs for the 9 and will need some for the 17 further down the line whilst Go-Ahead's are also performing refurb float roles. Also adding to the fact that now the 5 is confirmed to be converting to full LT allocation, those refurb floats currently at DS/RR may likely be staying to form part of the 5 allocation. I wonder if they will actually try and gather some of a similar age to the ones currently allocated to the 5. I know there is not much in it but they was trying to match buses to when the contracts are due to expire. |
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 2, 2024 8:36:29 GMT
There are quite a few LTs spare spread across all of the operators, so I could see a couple more routes being converted. Potentially the 355 and H98 could be candidates for conversion to LTs? Well there was but that's changed a bit - off the top of my head and not counting any VOR's, Stagecoach now have none now the 215 has converted and the SL3 will convert using some native examples alongside the ex RATP bunch, RATP have none, Abellio's spare bunch are mainly temporarily covering the 133 whilst WL has a few extra examples, Arriva's are currently performing refurb float roles, Metroline have used theirs for the 9 and will need some for the 17 further down the line whilst Go-Ahead's are also performing refurb float roles. There are exactly 1000 LTs, and from what I can work out the total TVR of all of the LT routes (including full allocations on the 5 and 17) is roughly 955. There's about 15 LTs that are long-term VOR, so that leaves about 30 spare buses that can be used. I also predict TfL and operators will start to sort out the LT allocations and give routes consecutively numbered batches corresponding to contract end dates, in preparation for their withdrawal. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Feb 2, 2024 9:22:14 GMT
These LT routemaster movement of buses reminds me of the time the Metrobuses were still around in the London streets as all one needed to do was just change the exterior of the bus and then away it goes. I think only Centrewest (gold arrow for those old enough to remember that name) refurbed some of theirs to a red moquette.
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Post by yunus on May 29, 2024 23:14:36 GMT
Looking at the photos of the so called replacement of LTs, I would go for them anyway.
How I moan about standard Hybrid & Electric buses being a waste of money, well these buses were the biggest waste imo!
Anyway question,
How many are to come spare? Are we likely to see another new route fully convert apart from the routes already confirmed e.g route 5?
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Post by greg on May 29, 2024 23:19:17 GMT
Looking at the photos of the so called replacement of LTs, I would go for them anyway. How I moan about standard Hybrid & Electric buses being a waste of money, well these buses were the biggest waste imo! Anyway question, How many are to come spare? Are we likely to see another new route fully convert apart from the routes already confirmed e.g route 5? There have been a few suggestions of the 56, but honestly I dont think so and I do not think we will have any more routes convert since the announcement of the new BYD replacing them, most will see out their current contracts and be disposed of. And going back to my point in association with the 56, I feel it will be the Outer London routes that get them as temporary hybrid replacements (if be it), which currently have diesel buses (like the 313 received from the 38 reduction) or 349’s conversion rather than be used for an Inner London contract like the 56 with a fairly high PVR - seems prone to electrics. And lastly, the LTs on the SL3 are unreliable - do not think Stagecoach will end up keeping them |
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Post by WH241 on May 30, 2024 8:33:43 GMT
Looking at the photos of the so called replacement of LTs, I would go for them anyway. How I moan about standard Hybrid & Electric buses being a waste of money, well these buses were the biggest waste imo! Anyway question, How many are to come spare? Are we likely to see another new route fully convert apart from the routes already confirmed e.g route 5? There have been a few suggestions of the 56, but honestly I dont think so and I do not think we will have any more routes convert since the announcement of the new BYD replacing them, most will see out their current contracts and be disposed of. And going back to my point in association with the 56, I feel it will be the Outer London routes that get them as temporary hybrid replacements (if be it), which currently have diesel buses (like the 313 received from the 38 reduction) or 349’s conversion rather than be used for an Inner London contract like the 56 with a fairly high PVR - seems prone to electrics. And lastly, the LTs on the SL3 are unreliable - do not think Stagecoach will end up keeping them Was it not BYD pushing the bus as a LT replacement? I think the press got the wrong idea and have just gone with it. I have not seen anything official from TfL suggesting this is some type of replacement bus for when the LTs are withdrawn. For me it’s just another electric bus that will be available for the London market. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 30, 2024 10:52:08 GMT
There have been a few suggestions of the 56, but honestly I dont think so and I do not think we will have any more routes convert since the announcement of the new BYD replacing them, most will see out their current contracts and be disposed of. And going back to my point in association with the 56, I feel it will be the Outer London routes that get them as temporary hybrid replacements (if be it), which currently have diesel buses (like the 313 received from the 38 reduction) or 349’s conversion rather than be used for an Inner London contract like the 56 with a fairly high PVR - seems prone to electrics. And lastly, the LTs on the SL3 are unreliable - do not think Stagecoach will end up keeping them Was it not BYD pushing the bus as a LT replacement? I think the press got the wrong idea and have just gone with it. I have not seen anything official from TfL suggesting this is some type of replacement bus for when the LTs are withdrawn. For me it’s just another electric bus that will be available for the London market. I think so. Or even more a click bait type headline. In reality if all the LT were to be withdrawn from later this year then I would imagine operators would simply order their preferred vehicles, ie Electrolyners for Arriva and Abellio, BZLs etc for Stagecoach etc etc similar to when the original RM was withdrawn in 2003. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 30, 2024 16:11:16 GMT
There have been a few suggestions of the 56, but honestly I dont think so and I do not think we will have any more routes convert since the announcement of the new BYD replacing them, most will see out their current contracts and be disposed of. And going back to my point in association with the 56, I feel it will be the Outer London routes that get them as temporary hybrid replacements (if be it), which currently have diesel buses (like the 313 received from the 38 reduction) or 349’s conversion rather than be used for an Inner London contract like the 56 with a fairly high PVR - seems prone to electrics. And lastly, the LTs on the SL3 are unreliable - do not think Stagecoach will end up keeping them Was it not BYD pushing the bus as a LT replacement? I think the press got the wrong idea and have just gone with it. I have not seen anything official from TfL suggesting this is some type of replacement bus for when the LTs are withdrawn. For me it’s just another electric bus that will be available for the London market. it was BYD saying the new electric bus could be a replacement for the LT, which the press have latched on to. As far as I'm aware, the ones ordered by GAL aren't even going on to any LT operated routes |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 30, 2024 16:35:29 GMT
Was it not BYD pushing the bus as a LT replacement? I think the press got the wrong idea and have just gone with it. I have not seen anything official from TfL suggesting this is some type of replacement bus for when the LTs are withdrawn. For me it’s just another electric bus that will be available for the London market. it was BYD saying the new electric bus could be a replacement for the LT, which the press have latched on to. As far as I'm aware, the ones ordered by GAL aren't even going on to any LT operated routes That Go Ahead order hasn’t even been confirmed yet. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 1, 2024 5:42:14 GMT
I doubt any more routes are going over to LTs any time soon, with 1 as yet unconfirmed exception. Apart from route SL3 due to receive electric buses, I have not seen any significant changes due for any existing LT routes.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 1, 2024 7:04:29 GMT
I doubt any more routes are going over to LTs any time soon, with 1 as yet unconfirmed exception. Apart from route SL3 due to receive electric buses, I have not seen any significant changes due for any existing LT routes. What's the 1 as yet confirmed exception? |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 1, 2024 7:53:19 GMT
I doubt any more routes are going over to LTs any time soon, with 1 as yet unconfirmed exception. Apart from route SL3 due to receive electric buses, I have not seen any significant changes due for any existing LT routes. What's the 1 as yet confirmed exception? The LTs from route SL3 ought to convert an as yet unconfirmed route. An example that has been suggested on this forum is route H98. |
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