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Post by COBO on Sept 18, 2023 2:00:58 GMT
I wonder if the older LTs that have been retained or awarded with a new contract will do the whole contract like those on the 9 or will they be replaced mid contract and replaced by younger LTs after those routes with younger LTs have their LTs replaced by new electrics?
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 18, 2023 8:04:01 GMT
I wonder if the older LTs that have been retained or awarded with a new contract will do the whole contract like those on the 9 or will they be replaced mid contract and replaced by younger LTs after those routes with younger LTs have their LTs replaced by new electrics? Quite possibly that they will cherry pick the best ones and swap them around to use the youngest ones on the last routes. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 30, 2023 3:20:00 GMT
I wonder if the older LTs that have been retained or awarded with a new contract will do the whole contract like those on the 9 or will they be replaced mid contract and replaced by younger LTs after those routes with younger LTs have their LTs replaced by new electrics? At least Arriva and GA are starting to reshuffle their LTs such that they are allocated according to age of vehicle and contract expiry date. This should broadly enable the older LTs to be withdrawn first upon retender of those routes. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 30, 2023 19:36:51 GMT
There has been a couple of suggestions here that the ex route 168 buses could end up on the 9. Personally I wish they would tidy up the part allocation routes and fully convert the 5,17 and finish off the 32 also maybe provide a few spares for the 176 as that seems to struggle with a full allocation.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 30, 2023 19:53:18 GMT
There has been a couple of suggestions here that the ex route 168 buses could end up on the 9. Personally I wish they would tidy up the part allocation routes and fully convert the 5,17 and finish off the 32 also maybe provide a few spares for the 176 as that seems to struggle with a full allocation. If they happen to become the 9 buses, then the 9s current LTs could probably finish the job on the routes you suggest. Although considering the fact a batch has been stood down at Metroline suggests that the buses will be leaving the Metroline fleet, should they be sticking around we might still be seeing them on some other HT routes. I think the SL2 and SL3 will both be LT routes with both routes being short contracts they would be a perfect fit for at least one of the routes. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 30, 2023 23:21:35 GMT
There has been a couple of suggestions here that the ex route 168 buses could end up on the 9. Personally I wish they would tidy up the part allocation routes and fully convert the 5,17 and finish off the 32 also maybe provide a few spares for the 176 as that seems to struggle with a full allocation. If they happen to become the 9 buses, then the 9s current LTs could probably finish the job on the routes you suggest. Although considering the fact a batch has been stood down at Metroline suggests that the buses will be leaving the Metroline fleet, should they be sticking around we might still be seeing them on some other HT routes. I think the SL2 and SL3 will both be LT routes with both routes being short contracts they would be a perfect fit for at least one of the routes. Some of the 168's original batch will stay at HT as some should be allocated to the 390 (original batch was LT641-663) |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 18, 2023 18:06:42 GMT
With TFL awarding 3 year contracts I wonder if they will try and squeeze a another 3 years out of the LTs on the 2026 contracts (3, 24, 27, 267).
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Post by yunus on Oct 18, 2023 18:20:20 GMT
With TFL awarding 3 year contracts I wonder if they will try and squeeze a another 3 years out of the LTs on the 2026 contracts (3, 24, 27, 267). Without a doubt they will. Even on conventional Hybrids. |
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Post by paulo on Oct 18, 2023 19:07:59 GMT
With TFL awarding 3 year contracts I wonder if they will try and squeeze a another 3 years out of the LTs on the 2026 contracts (3, 24, 27, 267). Without a doubt they will. Even on conventional Hybrids. Significant change to bus tendering coming in 2030/31. Current model unsustainable, willing partners pulling out. Expect a Manchester approach from then on. |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 18, 2023 19:13:04 GMT
With TFL awarding 3 year contracts I wonder if they will try and squeeze a another 3 years out of the LTs on the 2026 contracts (3, 24, 27, 267). And the 8 as that's up for renewal in 2026 I believe? Could even convert the 205 for a 3 year tender if buses are available. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 18, 2023 19:21:34 GMT
Without a doubt they will. Even on conventional Hybrids. Significant change to bus tendering coming in 2030/31. Current model unsustainable, willing partners pulling out. Expect a Manchester approach from then on. I am assuming this is opinion and not factual? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 18, 2023 19:22:14 GMT
Without a doubt they will. Even on conventional Hybrids. Significant change to bus tendering coming in 2030/31. Current model unsustainable, willing partners pulling out. Expect a Manchester approach from then on. Doubt it, its just one operator that seems to be having major issues and another which have had a smaller blip. Stagecoach, Go Ahead and Abellio are managing fine without handing routes back or pulling out. |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 18, 2023 21:23:49 GMT
Significant change to bus tendering coming in 2030/31. Current model unsustainable, willing partners pulling out. Expect a Manchester approach from then on. Doubt it, its just one operator that seems to be having major issues and another which have had a smaller blip. Stagecoach, Go Ahead and Abellio are managing fine without handing routes back or pulling out. They could potentially move away from individual route tenders and move to whole garage worth of work being awarded to operators. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 18, 2023 21:29:17 GMT
Doubt it, its just one operator that seems to be having major issues and another which have had a smaller blip. Stagecoach, Go Ahead and Abellio are managing fine without handing routes back or pulling out. They could potentially move away from individual route tenders and move to whole garage worth of work being awarded to operators. But then what happens when Go Ahead for example win the entire BK tranche and then Stagecoach refuses to sell BK? |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 18, 2023 21:59:53 GMT
They could potentially move away from individual route tenders and move to whole garage worth of work being awarded to operators. But then what happens when Go Ahead for example win the entire BK tranche and then Stagecoach refuses to sell BK? Guessing something similar to how things work in Manchester with compulsory purchases of garages. But this is going off topic on the LT thread so maybe best for elsewhere. |
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