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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 30, 2021 15:51:21 GMT
Route 316: White City - North Finchley DD Conversion White City Shepherds Bush Holland Park (via Route 228) Ladbroke Grove Station Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s Normal Line of Route Cricklewood Broadway Cricklewood Station (via Route 460) Replacing Route 460 to North Finchley Route 228: As above, replacing 316 between Shepherds Bush and Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s. Route 460 (Re Number 268): Willesden Junction - Finchley Road, O2 Willesden Junction Harlesden, Jubilee Clock Craven Park Follow Route 266 to Church Road/Willesden Magistrates Neasden Station (Route 297) Neasden Shopping Centre (Follow Route 232 to Brent Cross) Brent Cross Shopping Centre (Follow Route 102 to Golders Green) Cricklewood, Penine Drive Golders Green (Follow Route 268 to O2 Centre) Route 232; Re routed Brent Cross to St Raphaels To continue to follow/support 112 until original line of route Brent Park Tesco Route 102: Edmonton Green - Golders Green Discontinued Brent Cross - Golders Green I do like the 316 idea, as you'd still retain links to the jubilee at Kilburn but might be rather long. Not a fan of the 102 idea, you'd break links between Brent Cross and Temple Fortune. The 228 might fall under pressure if routed via the 316 to Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's as the 316 is a busy route. I understand this is fantasy so it's more imagination based here but the rest wouldn't work. Granted, the 316 idea seems ok. I'll leave this to other people like CircleLineofLife but the 316/332/460 could have a reshuffle maybe where the 332 is diverted to North Finchley, the 316 diverted to Brent Park with a decking and maybe the 460 discontinued? I'm not so sure, could be an option.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jan 31, 2021 13:33:37 GMT
Route 316: White City - North Finchley DD Conversion White City Shepherds Bush Holland Park (via Route 228) Ladbroke Grove Station Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s Normal Line of Route Cricklewood Broadway Cricklewood Station (via Route 460) Replacing Route 460 to North Finchley Route 228: As above, replacing 316 between Shepherds Bush and Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s. Route 460 (Re Number 268): Willesden Junction - Finchley Road, O2 Willesden Junction Harlesden, Jubilee Clock Craven Park Follow Route 266 to Church Road/Willesden Magistrates Neasden Station (Route 297) Neasden Shopping Centre (Follow Route 232 to Brent Cross) Brent Cross Shopping Centre (Follow Route 102 to Golders Green) Cricklewood, Penine Drive Golders Green (Follow Route 268 to O2 Centre) Route 232; Re routed Brent Cross to St Raphaels To continue to follow/support 112 until original line of route Brent Park Tesco Route 102: Edmonton Green - Golders Green Discontinued Brent Cross - Golders Green I do like the 316 idea, as you'd still retain links to the jubilee at Kilburn but might be rather long. Not a fan of the 102 idea, you'd break links between Brent Cross and Temple Fortune. The 228 might fall under pressure if routed via the 316 to Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's as the 316 is a busy route. I understand this is fantasy so it's more imagination based here but the rest wouldn't work. Granted, the 316 idea seems ok. I'll leave this to other people like CircleLineofLife but the 316/332/460 could have a reshuffle maybe where the 332 is diverted to North Finchley, the 316 diverted to Brent Park with a decking and maybe the 460 discontinued? I'm not so sure, could be an option. 316- would prefer to see it extended further north to maybe Colindale superstores, with the 142 getting cut back to improve its reliability/ i would also keep the 316/228 as it is north of the sainsburt the link is valuble to places like queens park/ plus you would be dulipcating links with the 31 bus between holland park to white city. The 32 could also be rerouted to serve brent cross and north cricklewood via the 189 and this could be withdrawn. 268- Could be a potential extention, but could help to extend to brent park via 232, with the 232 getting cut back to staples corner/brent cross With the proposed changes to the 332, i just wouldnt touch the northern end of the route as it isnt the broken part, the southern paddington/edgware road should be the focus, and then we reassess from there. 460-This bus creates valuble links to schools from the finchley areas to areas like willesden and supports the 260 as well, and link jubliee to places like golders green, and northern line with willesden. If you want to withdraw it, you could extend the 245 to north finchley, cricklewood north-finchley route is maintained, a new route or restructing the 189 from willesden to kings cross, i could have made it turn right on cricklewood but i made a route, keeping a bit of the existing 189, and using the unused section of mill lane on shoot-up-hill, i think this will bring valuble links for the willesden and cricklewood area, with camden town and chalk farm. And a direct link from willesden to shoot-up hill. Im still working on the 460 extention btw vla6, but i have other ideas for better links with for north west and north london. 189- metroline operated with W or AC: Willesden, Bus Garage Cricklewood Broadway Shoot-up Hill West Hampstead South Hampstead Swiss Cottage Chalk Farm Camden Town Mornington Cresent Euston Kings Cross. I could do a few tweaks with it going along primrose, or keeping more of the original routing of the 189 and turning at baker street, but this route would open up new links in the north-west london area. Attachment Deleted
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 31, 2021 15:53:23 GMT
I do like the 316 idea, as you'd still retain links to the jubilee at Kilburn but might be rather long. Not a fan of the 102 idea, you'd break links between Brent Cross and Temple Fortune. The 228 might fall under pressure if routed via the 316 to Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's as the 316 is a busy route. I understand this is fantasy so it's more imagination based here but the rest wouldn't work. Granted, the 316 idea seems ok. I'll leave this to other people like CircleLineofLife but the 316/332/460 could have a reshuffle maybe where the 332 is diverted to North Finchley, the 316 diverted to Brent Park with a decking and maybe the 460 discontinued? I'm not so sure, could be an option. 316- would prefer to see it extended further north to maybe Colindale superstores, with the 142 getting cut back to improve its reliability/ i would also keep the 316/228 as it is north of the sainsburt the link is valuble to places like queens park/ plus you would be dulipcating links with the 31 bus between holland park to white city. The 32 could also be rerouted to serve brent cross and north cricklewood via the 189 and this could be withdrawn. 268- Could be a potential extention, but could help to extend to brent park via 232, with the 232 getting cut back to staples corner/brent cross With the proposed changes to the 332, i just wouldnt touch the northern end of the route as it isnt the broken part, the southern paddington/edgware road should be the focus, and then we reassess from there. 460-This bus creates valuble links to schools from the finchley areas to areas like willesden and supports the 260 as well, and link jubliee to places like golders green, and northern line with willesden. If you want to withdraw it, you could extend the 245 to north finchley, cricklewood north-finchley route is maintained, a new route or restructing the 189 from willesden to kings cross, i could have made it turn right on cricklewood but i made a route, keeping a bit of the existing 189, and using the unused section of mill lane on shoot-up-hill, i think this will bring valuble links for the willesden and cricklewood area, with camden town and chalk farm. And a direct link from willesden to shoot-up hill. Im still working on the 460 extention btw vla6, but i have other ideas for better links with for north west and north london. 189- metroline operated with W or AC: Willesden, Bus Garage Cricklewood Broadway Shoot-up Hill West Hampstead South Hampstead Swiss Cottage Chalk Farm Camden Town Mornington Cresent Euston Kings Cross. I could do a few tweaks with it going along primrose, or keeping more of the original routing of the 189 and turning at baker street, but this route would open up new links in the north-west london area. View AttachmentIssue with the 245 to North Finchley is it'd be way too long. The 268 would be inadequate to handle 232 loads - the 232 should stay as is. The 460 I agree should stay as is, i was only suggesting if TFL were to deem the 260/460 to be too much. The only reason why I said the 460 shouldn't be extended to anywhere else in North London is because routes leaving North Finchley pretty much go everywhere it could probably be warranted If not Friern Barnet, maybe it could be worked on on the southern end?
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Feb 1, 2021 10:17:05 GMT
316- would prefer to see it extended further north to maybe Colindale superstores, with the 142 getting cut back to improve its reliability/ i would also keep the 316/228 as it is north of the sainsburt the link is valuble to places like queens park/ plus you would be dulipcating links with the 31 bus between holland park to white city. The 32 could also be rerouted to serve brent cross and north cricklewood via the 189 and this could be withdrawn. 268- Could be a potential extention, but could help to extend to brent park via 232, with the 232 getting cut back to staples corner/brent cross With the proposed changes to the 332, i just wouldnt touch the northern end of the route as it isnt the broken part, the southern paddington/edgware road should be the focus, and then we reassess from there. 460-This bus creates valuble links to schools from the finchley areas to areas like willesden and supports the 260 as well, and link jubliee to places like golders green, and northern line with willesden. If you want to withdraw it, you could extend the 245 to north finchley, cricklewood north-finchley route is maintained, a new route or restructing the 189 from willesden to kings cross, i could have made it turn right on cricklewood but i made a route, keeping a bit of the existing 189, and using the unused section of mill lane on shoot-up-hill, i think this will bring valuble links for the willesden and cricklewood area, with camden town and chalk farm. And a direct link from willesden to shoot-up hill. Im still working on the 460 extention btw vla6, but i have other ideas for better links with for north west and north london. 189- metroline operated with W or AC: Willesden, Bus Garage Cricklewood Broadway Shoot-up Hill West Hampstead South Hampstead Swiss Cottage Chalk Farm Camden Town Mornington Cresent Euston Kings Cross. I could do a few tweaks with it going along primrose, or keeping more of the original routing of the 189 and turning at baker street, but this route would open up new links in the north-west london area. View AttachmentIssue with the 245 to North Finchley is it'd be way too long. The 268 would be inadequate to handle 232 loads - the 232 should stay as is. The 460 I agree should stay as is, i was only suggesting if TFL were to deem the 260/460 to be too much. The only reason why I said the 460 shouldn't be extended to anywhere else in North London is because routes leaving North Finchley pretty much go everywhere it could probably be warranted If not Friern Barnet, maybe it could be worked on on the southern end? Yeah, when i suggested the 245 i knew it was too long. The thing is where would it go on the southern end, like everything pretty much covered, from the way comes into willesden, since it isnt the highest frequency routes in the area the best thing for an extension is to support a route that needs it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 12:10:43 GMT
New inner North London orbital link from Kilburn Park to Harringay: Kilburn Park Swiss Cottage Hampstead Hampstead Heath (north side) Highgate Archway Crouch Hill Harringay
Would make use of part of the 603 and supports 31 on the western end, plus more cross-Archway links
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Feb 1, 2021 16:40:49 GMT
I would propose a route that goes cross north-west-north london as i don't think we have enough of those and they would be very useful, this could go from willesden, bus garage to Walthamstow via: -Kilburn - South Hampstead/ Swiss Cottage - Chalk Farm -Camden town - Holloway - Finsbury park -Manor House - Seven Sisters -Tottenham hale -Walthamstow central bus station View AttachmentA quicker alternative would be to run some GOBLIN line trains to Willesden Junction and maybe onto Richmond/Clapham Junction.
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 1, 2021 16:47:07 GMT
I would propose a route that goes cross north-west-north london as i don't think we have enough of those and they would be very useful, this could go from willesden, bus garage to Walthamstow via: -Kilburn - South Hampstead/ Swiss Cottage - Chalk Farm -Camden town - Holloway - Finsbury park -Manor House - Seven Sisters -Tottenham hale -Walthamstow central bus station View AttachmentA quicker alternative would be to run some GOBLIN line trains to Willesden Junction and maybe onto Richmond/Clapham Junction. There isn't the capacity between Gospel Oak and Willesden Junction to do this - remember the route also carries heavy flows of freight traffic.
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Post by greg on Feb 1, 2021 16:52:01 GMT
New inner North London orbital link from Kilburn Park to Harringay: Kilburn Park Swiss Cottage Hampstead Hampstead Heath (north side) Highgate Archway Crouch Hill Harringay Would make use of part of the 603 and supports 31 on the western end, plus more cross-Archway links I don’t think it would be very popular between Swiss Cottage and Kilburn unfortunately if its running down Hampstead and Highgate. It would be better off terminating at Swiss Cottage. Also I assume its taking the W5 routing from Archway, which also I think has enough capacity it needs, perhaps you could have it go via the 41 from Archway to Turnpike Lane and terminate there or at Crouch End where it can share a stand with the 91.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 1, 2021 16:54:50 GMT
New inner North London orbital link from Kilburn Park to Harringay: Kilburn Park Swiss Cottage Hampstead Hampstead Heath (north side) Highgate Archway Crouch Hill Harringay Would make use of part of the 603 and supports 31 on the western end, plus more cross-Archway links I don’t think it would be very popular between Swiss Cottage and Kilburn unfortunately if its running down Hampstead and Highgate. It would be better off terminating at Swiss Cottage. Also I assume its taking the W5 routing from Archway, which also I think has enough capacity it needs, perhaps you could have it go via the 41 from Archway to Turnpike Lane and terminate there or at Crouch End where it can share a stand with the 91. In agreement with the 41 as the 41 is regularly packed and i believe it's one of the highest passenger per km routes (3rd I believe).
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Post by greg on Feb 1, 2021 16:58:54 GMT
I don’t think it would be very popular between Swiss Cottage and Kilburn unfortunately if its running down Hampstead and Highgate. It would be better off terminating at Swiss Cottage. Also I assume its taking the W5 routing from Archway, which also I think has enough capacity it needs, perhaps you could have it go via the 41 from Archway to Turnpike Lane and terminate there or at Crouch End where it can share a stand with the 91. In agreement with the 41 as the 41 is regularly packed and i believe it's one of the highest passenger per km routes (3rd I believe). Indeed it is very busy, I have some family who live on the 41 and the route is not pleasant at all very crowded and kind of musty when its got so much people
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Feb 2, 2021 9:08:33 GMT
A quicker alternative would be to run some GOBLIN line trains to Willesden Junction and maybe onto Richmond/Clapham Junction. There isn't the capacity between Gospel Oak and Willesden Junction to do this - remember the route also carries heavy flows of freight traffic. Ok...
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 4, 2021 14:32:40 GMT
I think this might definitely come under fantasy...
1) Fit all buses that come into London on a non-TfL service with an Oyster reader that can be turned off at a specified point on the route. 2) Paint all buses fitted thus in a distinctive uniform colour scheme. Preferably a nice Lincoln Green...
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Post by vjaska on Feb 4, 2021 14:38:27 GMT
I think this might definitely come under fantasy... 1) Fit all buses that come into London on a non-TfL service with an Oyster reader that can be turned off at a specified point on the route. 2) Paint all buses fitted thus in a distinctive uniform colour scheme. Preferably a nice Lincoln Green... Not a fan of the 2nd option, always prefer a variety of liveries rather than one but the 1st option I think is a great idea. Out of interest, would the specified point of each route be different or relative to either the border with London or where it connects with the first TfL route it meets?
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 4, 2021 14:59:21 GMT
I think this might definitely come under fantasy... 1) Fit all buses that come into London on a non-TfL service with an Oyster reader that can be turned off at a specified point on the route. 2) Paint all buses fitted thus in a distinctive uniform colour scheme. Preferably a nice Lincoln Green... Not a fan of the 2nd option, always prefer a variety of liveries rather than one but the 1st option I think is a great idea. Out of interest, would the specified point of each route be different or relative to either the border with London or where it connects with the first TfL route it meets? Probably the border. However what would it mean for routes like the 275 and the 331 that exit Greater London and go back in?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 4, 2021 15:34:07 GMT
Not a fan of the 2nd option, always prefer a variety of liveries rather than one but the 1st option I think is a great idea. Out of interest, would the specified point of each route be different or relative to either the border with London or where it connects with the first TfL route it meets? Probably the border. However what would it mean for routes like the 275 and the 331 that exit Greater London and go back in? He said non TfL routes not TfL routes
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