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Post by vjaska on Sept 30, 2014 14:11:38 GMT
Extend the 353 back to Croydon via the 466 route. Reroute the 466 to Shrublands. Withdraw the 198, extend the 194 to TH maintaining links to Mayday and extend the 64 to Thornton Heath High Street Problem with this is the 198 has a lot of Shrublands users from the Whitgift Centre from my own observations which the 466 does not serve. The 194 doesn't penetrate into the Shrublands estate so it would mean people wanting the Whitgift & West Croydon having to walk. I'm also against the 64 going to Thornton Heath High Street as I'd prefer it to extend to Streatham to give the 109 some much needed help along the London Road corridor. |
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Post by Unorm on Sept 30, 2014 19:06:34 GMT
Extend the 353 back to Croydon via the 466 route. Reroute the 466 to Shrublands. Withdraw the 198, extend the 194 to TH maintaining links to Mayday and extend the 64 to Thornton Heath High Street Problem with this is the 198 has a lot of Shrublands users from the Whitgift Centre from my own observations which the 466 does not serve. The 194 doesn't penetrate into the Shrublands estate so it would mean people wanting the Whitgift & West Croydon having to walk. I'm also against the 64 going to Thornton Heath High Street as I'd prefer it to extend to Streatham to give the 109 some much needed help along the London Road corridor. And N64?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 21:11:42 GMT
I think we need another route connecting Aldgate with Stratford and more of East London. Either a new route or an extension of something. Any suggestions? What about a new route from Beckton Station to Aldgate via Forest Gate, Stratford and Bow? Or perhaps Beckton to Trafalgar Sq via Aldgate and Bank? If that's even possible that is.
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Post by Unorm on Sept 30, 2014 22:36:31 GMT
I think we need another route connecting Aldgate with Stratford and more of East London. Either a new route or an extension of something. Any suggestions? What about a new route from Beckton Station to Aldgate via Forest Gate, Stratford and Bow? Or perhaps Beckton to Trafalgar Sq via Aldgate and Bank? If that's even possible that is. I'm pretty sure an X25 would be the only thing (in terms of new route) be sensible IMO and I know you're thinking of 25 relieveing lol . Although some help should be done on 25, such as a 2 min frequency but that's extreme and I think no operator would take a contract of that lool. A 205 to Stratford and 425 to Manor Park would be helpful, but already 205 would be unreliable and 425 could stretch out a bit to also give more stand space, with 241 and D8 being the ones exiting the Bus Station just incase anything would be needed at Stratford. Due to less space at Manor Park, 104 could be extended to Leytonstone Green Man Roundabout to make space for 425, which then (as I said) makes space at Stratford Bus Station for one or two more buses. The only thing I can say 25 to be back to bendy and/or a new express variant stopping at limited stations and have two-doored versions than the 3-doored ones, although WILL increase loading times but will prevent cash evading a bit. Although would be a crap choice to actually have two-doored arctics. Unless a PA is on board which would be unlikely on a bendy. I am sure there should be some other ways to help off.... (please don't quote me on the bendy two-door bit, I know I know I know) |
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Post by sid on Oct 1, 2014 8:54:27 GMT
There was a proposal to merge the 312 and 412 into one route but it didn't happen for some reason It didn't happen because local politicians decided it wasn't needed and most likely, they then wern't prepared to discuss it. Maybe it was for the same reason you mentioned about the 198? People using the 412 from West Croydon and the Whitgift Centre? |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2014 17:08:23 GMT
It didn't happen because local politicians decided it wasn't needed and most likely, they then wern't prepared to discuss it. Maybe it was for the same reason you mentioned about the 198? People using the 412 from West Croydon and the Whitgift Centre? Possibly that could be the reason - the only thing I can assume is they never took into account that Purley has the 60, 166, 405, 407 & 455 to West Croydon, Sanderstead has the 403, Selsdon has the 64 & T33 & South Croydon has the 60, 119, 166, 312, 403, 405, 407, 455 & 468 - the only substantial section to lose its service to West Croydon would be Mitchley & Riddlesdown. One way that I admit could be very awkward would be to run the merged 312/412 as a double run like this: Towards Norwood Junction from the George Street junction, buses would serve Wellesley Road, Station Road, West Croydon Bus Station, Station Road, Wellesley Road, Lansdowne Road, Dingwall Road before continuing onto the current 312 route. Towards Purley from the George Street junction, buses would serve Wellesley Road, Station Road, West Croydon Bus Station, Station Road, Wellesley Road before continuing onto the current 312 & 412 routes. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 1, 2014 18:23:46 GMT
I think we need another route connecting Aldgate with Stratford and more of East London. Either a new route or an extension of something. Any suggestions? What about a new route from Beckton Station to Aldgate via Forest Gate, Stratford and Bow? Or perhaps Beckton to Trafalgar Sq via Aldgate and Bank? If that's even possible that is. If we are doing fantasy proposals then I propose that some nice trolleybus wires are strung from Aldgate to Stratford and we buy 60 three section, double articulated Hess Swisstrolleys. Stunning vehicles - smooth and very quiet and huge carrying capacity. The terminals at Stratford and Aldgate are loops so compatible with trolley operation.  ZVV 68 Zurich (IMG_1867) by plcd1, on Flickr |
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 1, 2014 19:46:17 GMT
I think we need another route connecting Aldgate with Stratford and more of East London. Either a new route or an extension of something. Any suggestions? What about a new route from Beckton Station to Aldgate via Forest Gate, Stratford and Bow? Or perhaps Beckton to Trafalgar Sq via Aldgate and Bank? If that's even possible that is. If we are doing fantasy proposals then I propose that some nice trolleybus wires are strung from Aldgate to Stratford and we buy 60 three section, double articulated Hess Swisstrolleys. Stunning vehicles - smooth and very quiet and huge carrying capacity. The terminals at Stratford and Aldgate are loops so compatible with trolley operation. ZVV 68 Zurich (IMG_1867) by plcd1, on Flickr Or how about going Hong Kong style and introducting Tri-Axle buses on straight line busy trunk routes?, like the 25 for example |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 19:51:42 GMT
205 to Stratford for better connections to Paddington and the N205 to Chingford Mount for the same reason.
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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 1, 2014 20:10:13 GMT
Extend the 119 to Purley Station, where the 127 terminates, Also extend the 289 to Lower Sydenham.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 20:30:09 GMT
Extend the 119 to Purley Station, where the 127 terminates, Also extend the 289 to Lower Sydenham. At most times the 119 has two buses on the stand, so how on earth will thay fit with 1x 127 bus as well as 1x 289 bus at Purley Station? |
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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 1, 2014 20:33:25 GMT
Extend the 119 to Purley Station, where the 127 terminates, Also extend the 289 to Lower Sydenham. At most times the 119 has two buses on the stand, so how on earth will thay fit with 1x 127 bus as well as 1x 289 bus at Purley Station? They could move one route to the 412 stand, like the 289. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 1, 2014 20:39:22 GMT
Or how about going Hong Kong style and introducting Tri-Axle buses on straight line busy trunk routes?, like the 25 for example The simple reason is that big double deckers will never get off stops on a route like the 25. It's bad enough already to be fair. Tri-axle buses in HK at really busy stops can be stood still for minutes at a time given you can get hundreds of people in a queue for buses. if you look closely you can see the queue stretching up the stairs in the photo below. It is worth saying that this was the *contra peak* flow. It is much, much busier in the AM peak!!  KMB AVBWU34 Hung Hom by plcd1, on Flickr I deliberately picked long bendies because of the potential for multi door boarding and hopefully very short dwell times. Given the corridor is basically straight there should be few issues if parking enforcement is done properly. Long dwell times are a killer because they make journey times long and mean you need more buses for a given frequency. It is no surprise that TfL have spent as much as they have on initiatives to get dwell time down as low as possible. |
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 1, 2014 21:16:02 GMT
Or how about going Hong Kong style and introducting Tri-Axle buses on straight line busy trunk routes?, like the 25 for example The simple reason is that big double deckers will never get off stops on a route like the 25. It's bad enough already to be fair. Tri-axle buses in HK at really busy stops can be stood still for minutes at a time given you can get hundreds of people in a queue for buses. if you look closely you can see the queue stretching up the stairs in the photo below. It is worth saying that this was the *contra peak* flow. It is much, much busier in the AM peak!! KMB AVBWU34 Hung Hom by plcd1, on Flickr I deliberately picked long bendies because of the potential for multi door boarding and hopefully very short dwell times. Given the corridor is basically straight there should be few issues if parking enforcement is done properly. Long dwell times are a killer because they make journey times long and mean you need more buses for a given frequency. It is no surprise that TfL have spent as much as they have on initiatives to get dwell time down as low as possible. Blimey!, that queue really surprised me  . That HK 118 looks like a very busy route lol, reminds me of the 472/486 filling up at North Greenwich  |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2014 21:18:45 GMT
Extend the 119 to Purley Station, where the 127 terminates, Also extend the 289 to Lower Sydenham. Be nice if you gave reasons! |
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. That HK 118 looks like a very busy route lol, reminds me of the 472/486 filling up at North Greenwich 