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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 1, 2014 21:24:56 GMT
Extend the 119 to Purley Station, where the 127 terminates, Also extend the 289 to Lower Sydenham. Be nice if you gave reasons! The reason why i said this was to make the 119 terminate in a more convenient place, rather than in the Collonades, which is a retail park. By extending it to Purley, people can change for buses like the 60,466,412,166,407,434 etc. Also, i suggested the 289 because I've seen a few 194's run to Elmers End, and Lower Sydenham is only 10 minutes away from Elmers End Green  |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2014 21:35:09 GMT
Be nice if you gave reasons! The reason why i said this was to make the 119 terminate in a more convenient place, rather than in the Collonades, which is a retail park. By extending it to Purley, people can change for buses like the 60,466,412,166,407,434 etc. Also, i suggested the 289 because I've seen a few 194's run to Elmers End, and Lower Sydenham is only 10 minutes away from Elmers End Green Regarding the 119, if people want those routes except the 127 & 434, they can get the 119 to South Croydon. Personally, I'm not a fan of the terminus but I can't see where else it could go. If Purley Way wasn't full of traffic, I'd send it up to Valley Park via the Collonades. Regarding the 289, it's certainly not 10 minutes from Elmers End to Lower Sydenham. What the 289 needs is deckers and its reliability sorted. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 1, 2014 22:00:24 GMT
Blimey!, that queue really surprised me  . That HK 118 looks like a very busy route lol, reminds me of the 472/486 filling up at North Greenwich And there was another 118 queued right behind and a whole load of buses parked in reserve out of sight that can be pulled into service if a gap appears in the service. The bus operation through the Cross Harbour Tunnel is astounding and that's with the MTR running very frequently and very full. I can't imagine what it was like years ago with just ferries and one road tunnel (there are now three cross harbour tunnels)! I use the 118 a fair bit if I go to Hong Kong as it passes the hotel I usually stay at. It is packed full in both directions in the rush hour despite running every 2-3 minutes. I can see the buses going past the hotel when I'm having breakfast in the hotel.  |
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Post by sid on Oct 1, 2014 22:02:47 GMT
Extend the 119 to Purley Station, where the 127 terminates, Also extend the 289 to Lower Sydenham. Surely the 289 is adequate to Purley as is the 194 between Elmers End and Lower Sydenham? |
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 1, 2014 22:47:31 GMT
Blimey!, that queue really surprised me . That HK 118 looks like a very busy route lol, reminds me of the 472/486 filling up at North Greenwich And there was another 118 queued right behind and a whole load of buses parked in reserve out of sight that can be pulled into service if a gap appears in the service. The bus operation through the Cross Harbour Tunnel is astounding and that's with the MTR running very frequently and very full. I can't imagine what it was like years ago with just ferries and one road tunnel (there are now three cross harbour tunnels)! I use the 118 a fair bit if I go to Hong Kong as it passes the hotel I usually stay at. It is packed full in both directions in the rush hour despite running every 2-3 minutes. I can see the buses going past the hotel when I'm having breakfast in the hotel. That sounds pretty awesome, thanks for the insight!. Just had a look at your Flickr Photostream of HK buses, really interesting!. I like the diversity of the Bus types in HK. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2014 23:04:18 GMT
Blimey!, that queue really surprised me . That HK 118 looks like a very busy route lol, reminds me of the 472/486 filling up at North Greenwich And there was another 118 queued right behind and a whole load of buses parked in reserve out of sight that can be pulled into service if a gap appears in the service. The bus operation through the Cross Harbour Tunnel is astounding and that's with the MTR running very frequently and very full. I can't imagine what it was like years ago with just ferries and one road tunnel (there are now three cross harbour tunnels)! I use the 118 a fair bit if I go to Hong Kong as it passes the hotel I usually stay at. It is packed full in both directions in the rush hour despite running every 2-3 minutes. I can see the buses going past the hotel when I'm having breakfast in the hotel. Certainly a lot busier than the TfL 118 lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 19:28:47 GMT
N500 New route Waterloo - Surbiton via St Thomas Hospital , Albert Embankment , Vauxhall , then non stop to Clapham Junction , then via 77 to Earlsfield, Plough Lane , Wimbledon Park , Wimbledon , Raynes Park , Shannon Corner , A3 , Tolworth , Ewell Road , Surbiton.
N600 New route Waterloo - Stanies via Albert Embankment , Vauxhall non stop Clapham Junction , Wandsworth, Putney , Barnes , East Sheen , Richmond , St Margaret's , Twickenham , Staines Road, via 490 to Feltham then via 117 to Stanies.
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Charing Cross - Gravesend via Strand, Fleet Street, Cannon Street, Bank , London Bridge then non stop to New Cross then via 177 to Woolwich, 96 to Bluewater , Arriva 499 to Gravesend ( ie direct via A2 to Ebbsfleet International then via Perry Street into Gravesend
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Post by snoggle on Oct 2, 2014 19:59:47 GMT
N500 New route Waterloo - Surbiton via St Thomas Hospital , Albert Embankment , Vauxhall , then non stop to Clapham Junction , then via 77 to Earlsfield, Plough Lane , Wimbledon Park , Wimbledon , Raynes Park , Shannon Corner , A3 , Tolworth , Ewell Road , Surbiton. N600 New route Waterloo - Stanies via Albert Embankment , Vauxhall non stop Clapham Junction , Wandsworth, Putney , Barnes , East Sheen , Richmond , St Margaret's , Twickenham , Staines Road, via 490 to Feltham then via 117 to Stanies. N700 New route Charing Cross - Gravesend via Strand, Fleet Street, Cannon Street, Bank , London Bridge then non stop to New Cross then via 177 to Woolwich, 96 to Bluewater , Arriva 499 to Gravesend ( ie direct via A2 to Ebbsfleet International then via Perry Street into Gravesend Alternatively take a train. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 21:35:35 GMT
Alternatively take a train. Are they not night routes to areas with no overnight train service? |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 2, 2014 21:40:06 GMT
N500 New route Waterloo - Surbiton via St Thomas Hospital , Albert Embankment , Vauxhall , then non stop to Clapham Junction , then via 77 to Earlsfield, Plough Lane , Wimbledon Park , Wimbledon , Raynes Park , Shannon Corner , A3 , Tolworth , Ewell Road , Surbiton. N600 New route Waterloo - Stanies via Albert Embankment , Vauxhall non stop Clapham Junction , Wandsworth, Putney , Barnes , East Sheen , Richmond , St Margaret's , Twickenham , Staines Road, via 490 to Feltham then via 117 to Stanies. N700 New route Charing Cross - Gravesend via Strand, Fleet Street, Cannon Street, Bank , London Bridge then non stop to New Cross then via 177 to Woolwich, 96 to Bluewater , Arriva 499 to Gravesend ( ie direct via A2 to Ebbsfleet International then via Perry Street into Gravesend The first two routes could be easily done without non stop sections, disagree with the third route full stop. First route could be the N77 with the second one a N337 maybe. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 22:26:56 GMT
Alternatively take a train. Are they not night routes to areas with no overnight train service? Yes, and also would give new night links to lots of areas not currently served. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 2, 2014 22:40:24 GMT
Alternatively take a train. Are they not night routes to areas with no overnight train service? Oops - I missed the N prefix.  I would still question whether TfL needs to be running such long services beyond the London boundary even in a fantasy scenario. If we want a night service to Staines then run the 203 all night as it also touches bits of Heathrow Airport so would be valued by locals getting to work. People better than me have tried to run cross boundary night buses into Kent and Herts in the past and failed. There doesn't seem to be any renewed appetite to do so even with many operators having environmentally compliant buses. Interestingly Arriva have yet to run a 24 hour service on any of their strongest routes in Kent Thameside which is a slight surprise as that network does make money and people must go out on the town in places like Dartford, Chatham and Gravesend. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 2, 2014 22:53:30 GMT
Are they not night routes to areas with no overnight train service? Oops - I missed the N prefix. I would still question whether TfL needs to be running such long services beyond the London boundary even in a fantasy scenario. If we want a night service to Staines then run the 203 all night as it also touches bits of Heathrow Airport so would be valued by locals getting to work. People better than me have tried to run cross boundary night buses into Kent and Herts in the past and failed. There doesn't seem to be any renewed appetite to do so even with many operators having environmentally compliant buses. Interestingly Arriva have yet to run a 24 hour service on any of their strongest routes in Kent Thameside which is a slight surprise as that network does make money and people must go out on the town in places like Dartford, Chatham and Gravesend. The first two might work though I'm not 100% sure - the third I find it hard to see it working if I'm being honest. I suppose converting the 203 to 24 hours would be a start though I think a N prefix route from Staines to Heathrow Central could be warranted given none of the commercial routes run late from my understanding. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Oct 2, 2014 23:31:22 GMT
Are they not night routes to areas with no overnight train service? Oops - I missed the N prefix. I would still question whether TfL needs to be running such long services beyond the London boundary even in a fantasy scenario. If we want a night service to Staines then run the 203 all night as it also touches bits of Heathrow Airport so would be valued by locals getting to work. People better than me have tried to run cross boundary night buses into Kent and Herts in the past and failed. There doesn't seem to be any renewed appetite to do so even with many operators having environmentally compliant buses. Interestingly Arriva have yet to run a 24 hour service on any of their strongest routes in Kent Thameside which is a slight surprise as that network does make money and people must go out on the town in places like Dartford, Chatham and Gravesend. It is worth noting that Ensign tried and failed in their bid to run a commercially viable night service over the water in Thurrock - their N73 was axed earlier in the year. The operating area there is smaller and a little more thinly spread but otherwise very similar, certainly demographically and in terms of employment patterns (and a lot of shift work and silly early starts) and leisure pursuits (Grays has a nightlife scene, though the less said about that the better). With that said, Ensign was ekeing an overnight service out of a route running on a 20 minute daytime frequency - many of Arriva's routes around Dartford and Gravesend are considerably more frequent (albeit single deck vs Ensign's tendency towards DDs). The cross-border commercial ventures I'm thinking of are London Central's weekend N60, running from Watford down to Baker Street and the N80/N82 between Baker Street and Gillingham; each ran about every two hours IIRC. The N60 went at the beginning of 2001 with the N80/82 going in May 2002 - through the wayback machine I've dredged up the timetables for them - enjoy web.archive.org/web/20010127194200/http://www.londoncentral.com/nightbus/index.htm |
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 2, 2014 23:40:53 GMT
The 330 certainly has potential for a healthy extension, it's currently very short. I was thinking for it to be extended to Barkingside. This could be done via the 101 to Wanstead, along the 66 to Gants Hill, then up Cranbrook Road to Barkingside to stand with the 247, the stand itself could be expanded to accommodate more buses.
This would open up new links between the areas of Canning Town/Upton Park/Forest Gate and Wanstead/Redbridge/Barkingside. At under 9 miles, it would be a healthy length too.
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. That HK 118 looks like a very busy route lol, reminds me of the 472/486 filling up at North Greenwich 
